What effect does the new cadet program requirement has on the future of DESO/FO?
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What effect does the new cadet program requirement has on the future of DESO/FO?
Now that the Cadet program are open to all nationalities instead of HKIDers, might as well tell the world Cathay is hiring expats on half price (on local terms)...by simply lowering the hour requirement to 0. Im sure there will be people interested in this new scheme.
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Im sure there will be people interested in this new scheme.
Living here as an SO, even on COS99, is tight enough, so I can't imagine how it would be having to pay rent somewhere making 30K a month. They'd be better off coming to HK as english teachers...
I hope they don't expect to get cheap(er) expats that way.
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I hope they don't expect to get cheap(er) expats that way.
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sounds like management dont mind CX being a stepping stone for bigger and better things (pay packet). A few years in CX, free licence and a free jet rating. After a year or so as F/O, one will be ready for a better paying job!
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I think it is funny that you all assume that the waiver of the HKID card requirement means they will bring in western expats. They would never do that. A western pilot has the option to piss-off if they don't like it here.
No, this new requirement is to bring in mainlanders to Cathay. No matter how low we think Cathay's cadet program package is, it is much better than what you make as a Chinese pilot in Mainland. Guarantee that
This will allow them to hire masses more pilots and get rid of the really expensive ones... you and me.
No, this new requirement is to bring in mainlanders to Cathay. No matter how low we think Cathay's cadet program package is, it is much better than what you make as a Chinese pilot in Mainland. Guarantee that
This will allow them to hire masses more pilots and get rid of the really expensive ones... you and me.
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Low time pilots will probably be interested for the opportunity to enter a major airline and fly widebodies, even if it means being an SO for 4 or 5 years. But unless they're locals, I can't see them staying on those conditions much past the JFO upgrade with a rating in hand.
Living here as an SO, even on COS99, is tight enough, so I can't imagine how it would be having to pay rent somewhere making 30K a month. They'd be better off coming to HK as english teachers...
I hope they don't expect to get cheap(er) expats that way
Living here as an SO, even on COS99, is tight enough, so I can't imagine how it would be having to pay rent somewhere making 30K a month. They'd be better off coming to HK as english teachers...
I hope they don't expect to get cheap(er) expats that way
there is something i can hardly understand with the current local SO pay. Honest speaking, HKD30k/mo. is = some USD3.8k, which is very close to some junior capt's pay in US regional or similiar. I can survive with 20k or even 15k (HKD) /mo. with a comfortable life (not luxury). yet to mention, this is the 1 year basic pay only and will increase accordingly. you will get about double when you reached 1 yr F/O.
to rent a nice and nearly new condo in Tung Chung cost about 7-8k, allow some additional 2k for internet, TV, h20 etc. you still have some 20k in your account.
after all, who don;t want the expats pay? but what i am try to say is even with local pay, you can survive perfectly. dont forget we are talking people with Zero to low flyign hours.
the CPP = express elevator, 13 moths **** allowance while training in ADL + not bad local terms, some 3-3.5 yrs P2x on wide-body, type rated afterward...
V.S.
you may -
forget paying your own training, forget the ****ty pay FL instructor (1-2years), forget about the ****ty pay regional time (2-3years min)
well...in my opinion, it isn't too bad after all....
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You must be be a single guy in the mid 20. Dont forget Local Tax. Your math is fuzzy, when I was a Capt on a CRJ 5 years ago I made $5800 a month after tax. If you are willing to take it than you can have my spot. Good Luck.
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You must be be a single guy in the mid 20. Dont forget Local Tax. Your math is fuzzy, when I was a Capt on a CRJ 5 years ago I made $5800 a month after tax. If you are willing to take it than you can have my spot. Good Luck.
hi flynhigh,
no, i am in my mid 30s and don't get me wrong, what I am talking about is 1yr S/O pay with local package is totally survivable and as well as local pay. i am talking about the CPP, not DE. i believed only people with low or no pervious fying experience will consider and this is what I am talkign about. person like you with thousands of flying hours will not even think about the CPP.
the tax rate in HK is relatively low (approximately 1 month of your average salary), of course extra tax form other country isnt inculded.
so, my opinion is - people with no or low hours
(basic pay)
****ty allowance during initial FL training (free) (+13months in ADL)
USD3.8k - USD5.2k for the initial 3-4 years
some USD 6k - 9k for the next 5 years
vs
paying your own training all the way to CFII/MEI (say USD+35k-40k)
instructing for 1.5 years at about USD2-2.5k
Regional (F/O) or similiar for 2-3 years USD1.8k-3.2k (say 80 hrs)
the CPP still look attractive after all & don't forget, you still have a choice once the contract is finished. And again, I am just talking about the pos and cons for people with no or low flygint hours. experienced pilots are excluded.
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I think it is funny that you all assume that the waiver of the HKID card requirement means they will bring in western expats. They would never do that. A western pilot has the option to piss-off if they don't like it here.
No, this new requirement is to bring in mainlanders to Cathay. No matter how low we think Cathay's cadet program package is, it is much better than what you make as a Chinese pilot in Mainland. Guarantee that
This will allow them to hire masses more pilots and get rid of the really expensive ones... you and me.
No, this new requirement is to bring in mainlanders to Cathay. No matter how low we think Cathay's cadet program package is, it is much better than what you make as a Chinese pilot in Mainland. Guarantee that
This will allow them to hire masses more pilots and get rid of the really expensive ones... you and me.
i don't think the HKID wavier is targeted on the mainland people. their overall standard, english in particular can hardly fulfilled the CX standard. on the other hand, western with low or no experience is their target or people around the asia pacific region. please don;t forget that expats package is designed to attract expats and the CPP is designed to attract non-expats. well, after all, this CPP really can cut cost but at the same time, is a great opportunity for low hrs pilot or prople w/ no perious experience but wish to jumpstart a career in aviation.
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after all, who don;t want the expats pay? but what i am try to say is even with local pay, you can survive perfectly. dont forget we are talking people with Zero to low flyign hours.
whether your pay is "enough" really is dictated by what kind of a lifestyle you lead. when you remember that there are so many others who are paid significantly less than pilots, and who live free of poverty and impoverishment, you will understand that a LEP's pay package is not that bad.
i do wonder, though, how CX plans to attract expatriate cadets with such a package. if these expatriate cadets are also trained from ab-initio, how would they view the fact that they are being given a local contract?
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What standard of english do you think that they want.
If they achieve the ICAO standard for the ATPL licence do you really think that pirate organisation will really care about anything else.
As far as your costs of living, I'd suggest to you that they don't care. This just another step to prove that Cathay is already a low cost carrier. The Premier FLag airline of 20 years ago is long dead.
If they achieve the ICAO standard for the ATPL licence do you really think that pirate organisation will really care about anything else.
As far as your costs of living, I'd suggest to you that they don't care. This just another step to prove that Cathay is already a low cost carrier. The Premier FLag airline of 20 years ago is long dead.
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I was at a fleet forum recently where it was hinted that the DESO program would be coming to an end. Future hiring to be CPP & DEFO only.
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Hello. I see what your saying now and your point is taken. Take care and good luck
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do wonder, though, how CX plans to attract expatriate cadets with such a package. if these expatriate cadets are also trained from ab-initio, how would they view the fact that they are being given a local contract?
It actually sounds like a much better plan than what they have been doing. What would happen to the SOs though? Will they upgrade all the SOs then start hiring DEFOs when they need them?
As far as your costs of living, I'd suggest to you that they don't care. This just another step to prove that Cathay is already a low cost carrier. The Premier FLag airline of 20 years ago is long dead.
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It actually sounds like a much better plan than what they have been doing. What would happen to the SOs though? Will they upgrade all the SOs then start hiring DEFOs when they need them?
