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Old 2nd August 2008, 11:01   #1 (permalink)
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Angry The NEW AOA, It is time!!!

OK, we have all be whinging and winging for some time about all the issues . I am guilty of course. Now we have a new president and firstly, I urge you ALL to go to Youtube and search "HKAOA". It is a call to arms boys and girls!!!

We have a new president and new direction. The offices at CX city (across the street) will be manned daily.

NOW IS THE TIME folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all are guilty of complaining but not doing anything. Lets do something! Join the AOA if you have not. Volunteer if you aren't and get invloved. DO NOT throw stones at our brothers and sisters at Dragon, get them on our side. None of this is their fault. As far as the Oasis guys, get them involved too. Splitting us apart is what THEY want. WE CAN'T HAVE IT. Let's fight the people we really need to fight. Let's take it back. Let THEM know NO MORE!!!

If you truly have had enough, NOW IS THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can do it. Can anyone say LUFTHANSA!

Instead of spending energy here on the Prune, lets' spend it where it needs to be spent.

Come on WHO'S WITH ME????

YouTube - PPWHKAOA's Channel

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Old 2nd August 2008, 12:22   #2 (permalink)
 
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Hooray

We have now discovered the next pilot DFO
And a payrise for John Findlay also long overdue
This will work, sign up folks,progress at last
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Old 2nd August 2008, 12:44   #3 (permalink)
 
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Nice work Mr. President!

Now come on guys and gals, please join up!
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Old 2nd August 2008, 14:13   #4 (permalink)
 
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YouTube video has already been removed?
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Old 2nd August 2008, 16:07   #5 (permalink)
 
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That was quick.. Mayby the video went down into the same bin as the one of the former Chief Pilot - who got eaten by his own.. Nasty
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Old 2nd August 2008, 16:47   #6 (permalink)
 
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no video is still there, click the link in the first post.

Also, I believe SOs subsciption is only $200/month now.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 18:49   #7 (permalink)
 
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Great start Mr. President

Thank you Mr. President. That certainly makes me feel a little better about my subscription fees. It's just really nice to see some effort being made in terms of communication.


Come on blokes share the video with all your CX mates so that it gets seen by everyone, not just the PPRuNe mob.

W2
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Old 2nd August 2008, 19:11   #8 (permalink)
 
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Very impressed and happy with some early decisions. Good work!
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Old 2nd August 2008, 19:28   #9 (permalink)
 
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A good start I would say. Now get off of your but, download the membership list and pick out a few of your free loadiing buddies to put the screws to and get them to join.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 19:42   #10 (permalink)
 
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BTTT Go AOA
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Old 3rd August 2008, 02:29   #11 (permalink)
 
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Devil

Dream on people!

Think you are going to get support from those who will only join if the subs are only HK$2-300. Will they pay the 5% when it comes to it??

Too many "dreamers" have joined since the dispute and think that they are the only ones whose contract should now be fully protected - grow up people. Did you not realise or understand what you were getting into, everyone who has joined the company has had a contract "adjustment". Perhaps you just believed the spin and that "you" would be looked after, as you joined during or after the "troubles"!
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Old 3rd August 2008, 02:59   #12 (permalink)
 
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way to go! a good start, indeed!
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Old 3rd August 2008, 03:07   #13 (permalink)
 
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Positive President

Great to see some positive leadership from the AOA, Thank you I look forward to supporting the cause in anyway I can. Lets give people a period to get onboard say 6 weeks and then go it alone, what matters is not so much numbers but having the drive from above to stick to our guns. If 55% of the workforce made a stand that would hurt the company. I agree with what was said indirectly in the youtube video - NO MORE FREELOADERS!!! If you not in the AOA then the AOA should negoitate with the company for and onbehalf of members only (surely this can be arranged) and benefits from those negotiations are soley for the members, ie a payrise given to 55% of the workforce. This makes sense for the company aswell it halves there extra salary expenses.

I will be passing the word on to all my fellow pilots who are non union.

Go the AOA and Paul W.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 03:17   #14 (permalink)
 
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Good luck to you. A good YouTube presentation too.

You will of course get the inevitable naysayers (the 'dream on' brigade) but don't let that dissuade you, you must and will improve that 55%.

To muck up the cliche: Divided we have fallen, so the only way to improve our lot (whining on PPRuNe doesn't do it) is to UNITE.

It's no use simply posting these icons on PPRuNeand thinking that's your contribution to the effort. Join, use some industrial savvy, work cohesively and achieve your goals.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 04:08   #15 (permalink)
 
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Mr President

Great start to the new job!

I choose to remain optimistic about the future, if we can do as you have mentioned in the video and increase membership.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 06:05   #16 (permalink)
 
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It always amazes me how something positive quickly gets shot down by some naysayer...iceman50...your a piece of work mate.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 06:11   #17 (permalink)
 
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Angry Go read a New Era

This is why I posted what I did. The storm is coming folks. We are just starting to get the wind.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 06:39   #18 (permalink)
 
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Common Contract?

That video is just plain offensive to those that do not receive housing allowance either by choice or by contract.

And now it seems the president wants to pressure those who already don't receive housing allowance to cough up money or else they're hurting those who do receive housing allowances' contract?

At least make an effort to recognize the GROSS difference in contracts and charge membership dues accordingly and avoid further alienation of potential membership by rubbing salt in the wounds of those who must suffer a severe reduction in disposable income or a severe reduction in quality and size of domicile due to an inflated housing price environment.

In fact it could be argued that those that do not receive housing allowance and join the aoa would be paying to degrade their own contracts. For example since some of the effort of the AOA obviously goes to securing other goals than pay rise such as the INDEXED housing allowance policy, then not 100% of the dues of those that do not receive housing will be used to fight for a pay rise. Therefore those that do not receive housing are getting back less than they put in.

Bullying and pressure tactics are not ways to increase membership. Unless you're the communist party.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 06:46   #19 (permalink)
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Smile Make sure the AOA knows

shritcrapp. Please make sure the AOA knows your grievance. They can't fix what they don't know. Please go see them at CX city and tell J.F. Thank you.

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Old 3rd August 2008, 07:31   #20 (permalink)
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Hip Hip

A bloody good start!! Let's continue to plod forward!

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