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Old 1st August 2008, 12:42   #1 (permalink)
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Cathay B747 Classics

Is there a 'retirement' date for these yet? Everyone else who runs these seems to be fallling by the wayside ! Know that there's B744Fs 'on order' but are these to supplement or replace?

Also (bit of an 'anorak' question), did they ever up-date the classic flightdeck like Martinair (CRT ADI & HSI) or Kalita and Evergreen (replacement engine instruments)?

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Old 1st August 2008, 18:49   #2 (permalink)
 
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I believe a -300 freighter has now gone to the desert, with more to follow over the next year or two. I believe the engines are coming back to support the rest of the fleet.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 02:55   #3 (permalink)
 
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Ummmm, we don't have any -300 frtr's and we never have. We did however have newly refurbished -300 passenger a/c which we sold off to Pakistan only for them to trash them in record time.
Of the -200 frtr's that we do have, none of the engine variants are used by any other a/c in our fleet - either passenger or freighter.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 05:04   #4 (permalink)
 
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1 ea -200 gone, 1 ea -300 gone. Still have those funny wooden dials on the flight decks.

firewall

you're obviously still in denial or have been on leave for quite some time and didn't read the newspapers - CX is a major shareholder in KA, therefore 'we' do own -300's.

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N1 Vibes

(Cue wailing and bawling from CX purists)
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Old 2nd August 2008, 09:08   #5 (permalink)
 
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7 Classics at the beginning of 2008

HVY - Roller -scrapped already a glider on the Northeast end of Kemble in UK.

HME - GE powered a/c about to be scrapped rather than undergo a $20M 'C' check.

HIH - Roller due to be scrapped early 2009 (or earlier).

HMD/HMF - going late 2009

HVX/HVZ - going in 2010 or sooner.

Some C&T Officers have been retained on 'special' salaries. One office worker (Deputy CP) has been given an accelerated route to STC just to be there when the final 2 Aircraft constitute the 'Fleet'.

Nice work if you can get it.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 09:52   #6 (permalink)
 
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Got me vibes. Forgot about them. Nice a/c too!
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Old 2nd August 2008, 09:54   #7 (permalink)
 
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We (as in CX/KA) also have (had) some 747-300 freighters, one of which has gone to the desert B-KAA. These a/c have operated under the CX flt code for sometime now.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 11:24   #8 (permalink)
 
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Spanners!
Quite correct - sorry - just talking about CX. Not sure what's going to happen to the KA ones. They were higher spec (avionics) than CX Classics.

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Old 3rd August 2008, 18:13   #9 (permalink)
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KA Classics

KA Classics:
3 x -300F, 1 x -200F; one gone, next one end Aug 08, then Nov 08, Jan 09.
The -200F is a late-build, -400 wing + nose door.
All JT9Ds, upgraded to EFIS.
Nice aircraft to fly, plenty of power, loads of 'frame life left, just too thirsty.
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Old 4th August 2008, 08:15   #10 (permalink)
 
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A little fat bird tells me that HVY may yet fly again, for Aero Trans (?) TransAero (?)
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Old 4th August 2008, 13:23   #11 (permalink)
 
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Also apparently HME is off to be parked in XMN this wednesday the 6th.
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Old 4th August 2008, 22:37   #12 (permalink)
 
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The rumour about HVY gathers pace. This has been mentioned by engineering in DXB. The company concerned is Transaero (apparently a Russian outfit). They are also desperate to get their hands on HIH next year.
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Old 4th August 2008, 23:11   #13 (permalink)
 
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I think you'll find that the engines have gone to whoever it is in Russian and the airframe has been scrapped.

The outfit that bought HVY reportedly paid 6 million dollars or pounds, not sure, but sold each engine for 2 and the rest as scrap metal worth another 2. Not bad work if you can get it.
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Old 6th August 2008, 08:02   #14 (permalink)
 
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Sounds like yet another financial triumph for our 'world class' management team, although not quite on the scale of giving away the best -300s in the world to PIA, or getting caught over fuel price fixing or.........

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Old 7th August 2008, 00:14   #15 (permalink)
 
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I think you meant "your" not "our".

"Our" is reserved for those who are still CX employees.
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Old 15th August 2008, 04:45   #16 (permalink)
 
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Quote:
KAFE: . . ."The -200F is a late-build, -400 wing + nose door"


A -400 wing on a Classic? What brand of imitation cognac are you drinking?
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Old 15th August 2008, 05:05   #17 (permalink)
 
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The classics after line number 703 (first -400 line number 696) have the -400 wing to body fairing and the the -400 stabilizer (without the fuel tank fittings). HVX and KAD are two such A/C.
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Old 16th August 2008, 10:41   #18 (permalink)
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OK. Semantics check: The wing root fairing is not a "wing." Even without winglets, the obviously larger -400 wingspan includes an additional leading edge flap. [13 instead of 12].

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Old 16th August 2008, 11:19   #19 (permalink)
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probably most of us are more interested in the new "regional" roster than what ever wings there are hanging on the side..

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