Fragrant HarbourA forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum.
Doesn't hurt. You can always try. But be forewarned that the conditions of service will be lesser than any of your work mates hired prior to 01 JAN 08.
Hours should not be a problem- however check the requirements for DEFO carefully. DEFO only on freighters, based in bases other than HK. Time to dust off that other passport you have lurking in the bottom of the drawer?
DEFO only on freighters, based in bases other than HK. Time to dust off that other passport you have lurking in the bottom of the drawer?
"DEFO only on freighters" doesn't exist anymore. All DEFO's hired after 01.01.08 are on the Unified FO scale/contract, and may fly freighters or pax as the company sees fit.
Given, those hired onto the 744 fleet will (for obvious economic reasons) mostly fly freighters; but by no means exclusively. But those hired onto the 777 and Airbus will fly passengers only; seeing that we don't have any of the 777F or airbus freighters.
Last edited by quadspeed : 18th July 2008 at 07:20.
It makes even less sense when you see them do their t&c sectors on passenger aircraft flying passenger routes. Hence fly(ing) the freighter exclusively, except they're not.
But would you please explain about the exclusivity clause of 2011?
I think the reasoning behind 2011 is so that all SOs employed prior to 1/1/08 would have been upgraded - or eligible to upgrade anyway. After the last of the pre 1/1/08 SOs gets upgraded CX will probably introduce UFO scales for HKG.
I'm obviously still missing some key piece of information, because I don't quite see why the SO/CoS99 issue only affects 744 ops?
Surely, keeping 744 DEFOs on freighters to allow for SO upgrades is offset by the fact that we hire pax DEFOs on Airbus and 777?
If I recall correctly, there was a NTC or a DFO/AOA correspondance which stated in general terms "no HK-based DEFOs will be hired onto the pax fleet untill the last CoS99 SO has had the opportunity to upgrade"
Fair enough; but how does that exclude a SFO based 744 DEFO from flying a passenger aircraft until 2011?
Last edited by quadspeed : 19th July 2008 at 04:19.
I believe that the 2011 deadline is not actually for SOs in HK, but rather for the freighter only FO employed under COS99. By 2011 the last of these guys (in a non gender orientated manner) will have finished their freighter-only commitment and had the chance to cross over to the pax fleet.
This is obviously only a 744 issue, and by keeping new joiner COS08 guys on the 744F only then bypass pay for COS99 freighter FOs will not be triggered.
Hey newcrew, if the guys at this forum represent the general atitude of CX-pilots I would think long and hard before jojning, IŽd rather be flying gliders for free than fly with guys like Kitsune
13th stage, I suggest that your advertised location....'in teh sky' (sic) probably means that the chances of you flying as a pilot, EVER, are vanishingly small, if not non-existent...... now toddle off back to driving the honey truck, or whatever else you do in real life
Kitsune you are not only an azhle, you must be a spelling champion to... I wonder if you ever would have made it as second officer if the language required for flying would have been anything other than oxford-english... yours truly F/C 13thstage
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