A380 overtakes BA 747 across Atlantic to show off.
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A380 overtakes BA 747 across Atlantic to show off.
Call me cynical - but if you are on a North Atlantic Track you are given a speed and people don't like you busting your given mach number - are you allowed to start "playing games"..... 
"Boeing has never knowingly oversold the rival A340's slowness in its own marketing presentations for the 747 and 777. The slowness of the A340-200/300 is indeed legendary - there's even a painting of a 747-400 in flight where the caption reads: "...and just below can be seen an A340 that is being overtaken".
Imagine Airbus's unbridled glee therefore when on the first ever commercial route proving flight of the A380 to New York last week the opportunity came to settle some very high profile public relations scores.
The flight operated in collaboration with future A380 customer Lufthansa was cruising over the Atlantic at M0.85 and was about to slow down to coordinate with the LAX-bound A380 sister flight when the crew spotted one of BA's 747s plying its own lonely furrow to the New World. Never slow to acknowledge the broader irony of the encounter, the Airbus-Lufthansa flight crew accelerated to M0.87 and overtook it.
The 747, not to be outdone, responded in kind and crept up to M0.87 as well. The A380 soon had to drop back to M0.83 for the rest of the way however in an effort to co-ordinate its arrival with the LAX flight. It was still early ahead of schedule - landing at 12.10 at New York Kennedy and slightly ahead of the tandem LAX flight whose distinctly imaginative landing repertoire caused several raised eyebrows on either side of the continent. "
By Aimee Turner
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...d-fastest.html
"Boeing has never knowingly oversold the rival A340's slowness in its own marketing presentations for the 747 and 777. The slowness of the A340-200/300 is indeed legendary - there's even a painting of a 747-400 in flight where the caption reads: "...and just below can be seen an A340 that is being overtaken".
Imagine Airbus's unbridled glee therefore when on the first ever commercial route proving flight of the A380 to New York last week the opportunity came to settle some very high profile public relations scores.
The flight operated in collaboration with future A380 customer Lufthansa was cruising over the Atlantic at M0.85 and was about to slow down to coordinate with the LAX-bound A380 sister flight when the crew spotted one of BA's 747s plying its own lonely furrow to the New World. Never slow to acknowledge the broader irony of the encounter, the Airbus-Lufthansa flight crew accelerated to M0.87 and overtook it.
The 747, not to be outdone, responded in kind and crept up to M0.87 as well. The A380 soon had to drop back to M0.83 for the rest of the way however in an effort to co-ordinate its arrival with the LAX flight. It was still early ahead of schedule - landing at 12.10 at New York Kennedy and slightly ahead of the tandem LAX flight whose distinctly imaginative landing repertoire caused several raised eyebrows on either side of the continent. "
By Aimee Turner
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...d-fastest.html
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The report did not say that they were on a track merely that they were on the atlantic. Having spent the last few years being overtaken by 60's technology fair play to the 380 guys. Next complaint will be about the extra 30 milligrammes of CO2 thrown into the atmosphere. Good to see some rivalry!
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Hah, shades of the Titanic.
But seriously, folk have played games like this since airlines were being started again after the war. Brightened the day. Some DC3s were just faster than others...by two or three knots. We weren't going to waste an advantage of that magnitude.
But seriously, folk have played games like this since airlines were being started again after the war. Brightened the day. Some DC3s were just faster than others...by two or three knots. We weren't going to waste an advantage of that magnitude.
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Overtaking across the atlantic
I seem to remember a 747 being passed both ways whilst crossing the atlantic by another aeroplane I think it was called Concord 
Whatever happened to that
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Whatever happened to that ?
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Whatever happened to Concord? Simple, when the USA politicians could not destroy it they simply waited until the French did the job for them. FANTASTIC aircraft! Unique! No one else could build one that lasted! Remind me how long ago was it designed and where is the next contender.
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The 747, not to be outdone, responded in kind and crept up to M0.87 as well.
Must be about the first time a longhaul Airbus aircraft has matched a Boeing product for speed....
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You guys want to check your facts, if the 747's so good, why did Boeing redesign it?
"I bet the Ba was full of pax with all there bags and crap while the 380 was MT"
-> No, check the Lufthansa info - The flight to JFK was an operational route proving flight with a representative pax, under floor cargo, catering and crew...Aerodynamics and design principles improvements have moved on since 1967, blimey
"Whatever happened to Concord? Simple, when the USA politicians could not destroy it they simply waited until the French did the job for them. FANTASTIC aircraft! Unique! No one else could build one that lasted! ...blah, blah"
The ex BA Concordes are all U/S and have been deactivated, they are not even in long term storage - they're static non flyable display A/C. The (ex Air France) French on the other hand have at least one serviceable and potentially airworthy Concorde available and it's sitting in the place where it was manufactured...quel horreur, le pensez-vous volerez-vous encore?
"I bet the Ba was full of pax with all there bags and crap while the 380 was MT"
-> No, check the Lufthansa info - The flight to JFK was an operational route proving flight with a representative pax, under floor cargo, catering and crew...Aerodynamics and design principles improvements have moved on since 1967, blimey
"Whatever happened to Concord? Simple, when the USA politicians could not destroy it they simply waited until the French did the job for them. FANTASTIC aircraft! Unique! No one else could build one that lasted! ...blah, blah"
The ex BA Concordes are all U/S and have been deactivated, they are not even in long term storage - they're static non flyable display A/C. The (ex Air France) French on the other hand have at least one serviceable and potentially airworthy Concorde available and it's sitting in the place where it was manufactured...quel horreur, le pensez-vous volerez-vous encore?
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I bet the Ba was full of pax with all there bags and crap while the 380 was MT
I have never flown an aircraft that has to fly slower because it's full
Concorde losing pieces again?
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The speed bar rarely comes down from Mmo on the 744 unless you're right up on max alt. The stall speed does increase with weight so generally fly faster when heavier. Cost index's reduce speed through flight.
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<<Cost index's reduce speed through flight.>>
in that case why whenever I used 400 as the CI on the -400 did it always increase speed towards the end of the flight - often in excess of .87
always thought it a bit weird meself, guv
in that case why whenever I used 400 as the CI on the -400 did it always increase speed towards the end of the flight - often in excess of .87
always thought it a bit weird meself, guv
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I think all BA was doing was stuffing up the A380's descent to make sure it got in first! Not that professional pilots actually do that sort of thing, of course.