Finally they are gone!!!
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From: The dark side of the moon
Finally they are gone!!!
I cannot believe Boeing has only just got round to removing the sodding eyebrow windows!!!!
A lot of people argue that they assist in visually locating other aircraft... NOT when you have stuff these windows with charts and newspaper to stop the blistering sun from shining in!!!!
Can anyone give me a good reason for these windows in the first place????
A lot of people argue that they assist in visually locating other aircraft... NOT when you have stuff these windows with charts and newspaper to stop the blistering sun from shining in!!!!
Can anyone give me a good reason for these windows in the first place????
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From: Mostly FL360-380, M0.78
In the past the eyebrow windows helped provide better crew visibility, but today's advanced navigation systems have made those windows obsolete. The design change reduces airplane weight by 20 pounds and eliminates approximately 300 hours of periodic inspections per airplane. Retrofit kits to cover eyebrow windows will be available mid-2006 for the in-service 737 fleet.
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From: bumf*ck, idaho
I am pretty sure these have never been used for celestial nav so I can only imagine that these windows were used whilst flying inverted!
Good riddance, however this will delay my case against boeing for skin cancer....
Good riddance, however this will delay my case against boeing for skin cancer....
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VRThomas has a good point; I did use those eyebrow windows quite a lot during visual and circling approaches. Plus it was always a good place a map when you didn’t need it.
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From: Australia
Fiinally, CRM has found it's way into aircraft design. In the (not so good) old days, they were useful for keeping the runway in sight from the opposite seat to the runway during a circling approach.
Now in the days of CRM, we simply have the pilot in the other seat keep an eye on the runway for us.
Old Smokey
Now in the days of CRM, we simply have the pilot in the other seat keep an eye on the runway for us.
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T'N'O why don't you use the removable sunshades that Boeing provide for the #s 4&5 windows? they fit neatly into the slots at the sides of the seats. Or is your company too POSB to buy them? Or did you throw them away to make room for your Playboy magazine?
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From: The dark side of the moon
Gaterbait
I don't use the screens because:
1. They fall out as fast as I put them in.
2. some bright spark has thrown/taken them.
3. I have no bin in the flight deck for old charts!!!!!
I am still happy to see them gone!!!
I don't use the screens because:
1. They fall out as fast as I put them in.
2. some bright spark has thrown/taken them.
3. I have no bin in the flight deck for old charts!!!!!
I am still happy to see them gone!!!
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From: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
I am pretty sure these have never been used for celestial nav
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From: Down south, USA.
VRThomas: how much bank angle or pitch angle will the Airbus 'boss' , eh...I mean fly-by-wire computers, allow you, even during cruise?
They did not save the crews on the A-330 at Toulouse.
Ever see the movie "2001 Space Odyssey", directed by the superb Stanley Kubrik? Remember the computer 'boss' HAL?
They did not save the crews on the A-330 at Toulouse.Ever see the movie "2001 Space Odyssey", directed by the superb Stanley Kubrik? Remember the computer 'boss' HAL?
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From: Melbourne
I feel like I am breaking from the trend here but I have to say I will miss those little windows. It feels like we have lost a little bit of character now.
One of my mates calls them the "charlie windows". Installed so that we can see 'Charlie' coming out of the sun!!
He flys a crappy 767 though so what would he know 
........... a sad day.
One of my mates calls them the "charlie windows". Installed so that we can see 'Charlie' coming out of the sun!!
He flys a crappy 767 though so what would he know ........... a sad day.
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Well IO,
I'm pretty sure that HAL would not allow the bank angles that were required to circle a 737 into Kamloops (BC) with a 15 knot Xwind.
Maybe it would be better to just not look out ANY windows until the turn to runway heading is complete!
VRT
Anyone got any stories???
I'm pretty sure that HAL would not allow the bank angles that were required to circle a 737 into Kamloops (BC) with a 15 knot Xwind.
Maybe it would be better to just not look out ANY windows until the turn to runway heading is complete!
VRT
Anyone got any stories???
