Jepps Paper / Jepp FliteStar

[Citation500]

Hi All!

I´m currently avaluating Paperless Cockpit solutions for our Learjet fleet. (3 A/C ttl)

Has anybody expiriance in using FliteDeck/JeppView?
As I´ve learned JeppView is more expensive than the paper version... Do you know why??

Brgds

C500

[727 exec]

Not sure if you are simply (no such thing in aviation!) going to use the programme to print out the charts as you need them, or actually use them as an Electronic Flight Bag...

Have used all three. Old Fashioned is long winded especially when you have a Worldwide coverage. Electronic Flight Bag has got to be the way forward - but expensive...the Fujitsu screens alone cost thousands - and you need two! The problem with the print them yourself option is carrying around a laptop, printer and paper on the aircraft...not too bad if it's got space, but maybe a problem on a LJ???

Don't really know about the costs of the two paper versions...sorry!!

Good Luck

[N1 and ITT]

You won't save any money with the JeppView on pen tablets, I tell you. But you save time and avoid stress because the paper is a big mess (worldwide coverage is huge...)

We tried it with the Fujitsu LT P600 and JeppView, wich turned out to be very good. The main problem is the power to the pen tablets. Where do you plug them to a source of elcetricty without building a new cockpit...?

And: where to do you attach them in the cockpit if it's a Lear or a Citation? We tried out some metal frames wich matched the yokes. With the pen tablets attached to them you need full controls deflection, wich turned out to be possible.

The whole stalled because of the power source. Relying on the batteries (approx. 2h of enough V) is not very attractive...

I appreciate any work-arounds.

BR

[Daifly]

Couple of words of advice (as a big purchaser of these recently).

1. JeppView is NOT approved for in-flight use. To use the data once in flight you must use it with the JeppView FliteDeck program. It uses exactly the same database, but one is approved for inflight, the other isn't. (No doubt this is all to do with some litigious reason!). Don't know whether this would be an issue during a ramp check say?

2. The UK CAA do not accept the use of these systems on Public Transport Aircraft without each having a separate power system to the other. They also require a complete paper set of Jepps to be stored on the aircraft (isn't that fabulous!?!). This was the case 12 months ago, having heard nothing different I believe this to still be the case. You need to check with your FOI to ensure, if you're going to use them, that you're complying with their requirements.

The CD Version is, initially, more expensive than the paper. I too, am still trying to work this one out... But updates are comparable (and far less time consuming!).

Can recommend the Fujitsu units, we have 12 and, to date, have acheived a 100% dispatch rate. Apart from one minor "total failure" issue. And then we found the cut power cable and the drained battery... Sometimes pilots and technology shouldn't mix! ;)

[N1 and ITT]

@Dailfly
1. Can't believe you need a second paper set on the a/c. What's the purpose of the JeppView then?

2. How do you plug them to power? Do you have power outlets on you a/c type? What about the batteries as "separate power system"?

Or are these the well known CAA/NAA-"we just wan't it this way"s...?

For OS X users:

The failuers we had on the Fujitsu were all related to Windows. Cheers Billy... :yuk:

BR

[727 exec]

On the Citation Bravo that I was flying last week, they had installed power supplies from the avionics power for the Fujitsus...the internal batteries only seem to give about three hours life.

[JJflyer]

We have worldwide Jepps. An I am the one doing all the revs. So When I had a chance to use Jeppview with the jeppflightdeck thingie, I was sold on the spot.

I think th ebiggest problem with Fujitsu was the brightness of its display in bright sunlight.

But I liked it so now I have it running on my VAIO. I thunk we will get either the Fujitsus or something comparable in the next few weeks.

Cheers

JJ

[PPRuNe Towers]

One route to a workaround for power is with standard pax PSU's. The stricter authorities find it difficult to argue against those that are already approved for use in the cabin.

Various clips available for tablet mountings - retail at around the 120USD mark and if looking for an alternative to the Jepp/Fujitsu lineup have a look at what Astronautics are doing.

Regards
Rob

[N1 and ITT]

@JJflyer
The Fujitsu LT P600 has a screen option called TFT (Trans Flective or something) With this one the readebility in sunlight is much better. We tested both screens and the TFT is quite good. Only with the sun burning from direct front and sun glasses mounted it gets difficult to read JeppView. But that's true for the rest of the screens in the cockpit as well, isn't it...?

BR

PS: The price for TFT is - AFAIK - the same as the normal screen.

[JJflyer]

N1 and ITT

Thanx for the input. Fujitsu I tried had the standard screen. I will get my hands on the one you recommended and see how it works.

It is a nice way to reduce paperwork. Being the one doing worldwide Jepp revs I am looking forward to revisioning with jeppview.

Cheers

JJ

[PPRuNe Towers]

JJ - Retailers seem to have no idea about the different screens available. You'll find there are three for one of the popular models. A search will pay dividends so you can give then the correct single letter suffix for the exact screen you want.

Regards
Rob