Light twin jet off end of LBA 14

[Jolly Tall]

Sitting here watching the flood-light recovery of a light twin (Cessna Citation or similar) from the steep grassy banks of LBA's 14 overrun.

Aircraft looks intact, but front gear not visible, so either broken off, not come down, or sunk into grass.

Nothing apparently on any other forum - any-one know what happened?

[Localiser Green]

Been a lovely evening round here weather-wise so that doesn't give away any clues.

EGNM 282350Z 25004KT CAVOK 14/12 Q1021=
EGNM 282320Z 24004KT CAVOK 14/12 Q1021=
EGNM 282250Z 18004KT CAVOK 15/12 Q1021=
EGNM 282220Z 13003KT CAVOK 15/12 Q1021=
EGNM 282150Z VRB02KT CAVOK 15/13 Q1021=
EGNM 282120Z 04002KT CAVOK 16/12 Q1021=
EGNM 282050Z VRB02KT CAVOK 16/12 Q1021=

Perhaps a tech failure (brakes)...?

Anyone know whose bizjet it was?

[DX Wombat]

Nobody killed, nobody injured so not on the news :ok: But it still mustn't have been a pleasant experience for the pilot. Sorry, don't know who it belongs to.

[HOODED]

Believe it was German registered. For a time ac were given a reduced LDA on 14 but nothing had to divert with MYT 752 and BY 762 both landing ok.

[Localiser Green]

Saw the BY 762 land on 32 a few weeks ago on a calm evening, boy did he use a lot of reverse thrust... took it all the way to the end and seemingly cancelled reverse just before turning into the loop!

[Moondance]

Leeds.....calm.....surely some mistake.

[DX Wombat]

Moondance, I live about ten miles away from LBA by road and can assure you that yesterday was a beautiful day, :ok: :) ,dry, sunny, warm, with little breeze and today looks set to be the same. It is sunny, if rather hazy, dry and warm -T20C at 1030hrs, and very little wind. :cool: <- We definitely need these today. :D
and nooo, I'm not under the affluence of incohol or anything else. :D :ok:

[Moondance]

I'm sure it was a fine day at LBA - not sure I could land at Leeds with the nose pointing down the runway, much more used to coming in sideways!

[DX Wombat]

Moondance I hadn't thought about that! :D I must drive over there and take a few photos of this rare event whilst the beautiful weather holds. :p :ok: :D

[Jolly Tall]

Well it's still here (the weather that is - the a/c has gone), but possibly not for long knowing Leeds.

[chrisleeds2003]

t-storms tonight though my friends :cool:

I was a pax on a BY757 from Ibiza to Leeds a couple of years ago... landed about halfway down on a 14 approach in heavy winds. We were told before take off that we may have to be diverted to Manchester. The wing almost touched the runway on impact :\

If LBA made reverse thrusters, they'd probably be the best reverse thrusters in the world...;)

[PPRuNeUser0215]

Just for reference, BY selects Reverse at touch down, once the speedbrakes are deployed (automatically or not) down to 60 knots (STD call for speedbarkes and 60Kts) and then it's cancelled because they are no longer useful but feed the crap back in the engines.

Still, thanks to LBA's Wx, MME gets all the diversions and £££ :D.

[Moondance]

EMA does pretty well out of LBA as well.

[TheDream]

One of the handlers said it hadn't touched down until well after half way. So he just ran out of runway.

[PPRuNeUser0215]

Obviously I wasn't there when the event occured but it is important to bear in mind that Reverse Thrust do not reduce the landing roll but rather save the brake pads.
Indeed if a lower rate was selected (1 or 2 perhaps ??), the aircraft could well look like it was running out of runway when in reality it is only the deceleration rate which was lower (i.e. More confortable for PAX).

As for touching down well after half way, I would have to look into the figures to see what sort of landing distances we get so we can come up with a more acurate picture of what happened.

On holiddays for a few days but if I am really sad, I will look into it....

Bye

[ITFC1]

We had to divert, spent a nice afternoon at Teeside, we were following the Citation in, and ended up in the hold for 20mins, before we got dizzy as airport was

went out on 32 the next morning and couldn't see any skid marks, but no idea what happened

[PA38]

I once landed as a pax at Manchester on a Monarch airbus from Alicante, and he braked that hard I nearly head butted the seat in front.
All you could hear from fellow pax was ****king *** and worried looks all round.....
All that drama just so he could turn off 06L at the fast turn off so come on you pilot peeps think about your pax when trying to improve block times ;)

[Shanwick Shanwick]

I used to fly a Slowtation in the old days into 760m strips without any problems. Many of the older models had no reverse thrust, and no anti-skid and were difficult to stop in damp/wet conditions. I suspect that touchdown occured beyond the "Hump" at LBA and the runway just fell away during the flare.