CX - Terms and Conditions, Questions & Answers.

[Minima]

Hiya ppruners!Just out of curiosity am interested in finding out how long the CX S/O training is from the date of appointment to First flight.

[Cpt. Underpants]

DOJ (date of joining) to first flight (not under supervision) between 3 and 4 months.

[Minima]

what do the newly appointed S/O's get paid during training.Their actual salary or a different one?

[Cpt. Underpants]

I'm not being smarmy or sarcastic, but the "contract" has changed so many times (there are presently 17 - or is it 19 - different Conditions of Service) that I don't know.

I think that while you are are in ADL getting licenced, you get paid an allowance (AUD100 per week?) and in Hong Kong about HKD30K per month (that's USD3800). Just guesses.

[Thrust]

Wrong CU, old info.

The day you start with CX in Adelaide you are on full year 1 S/O salary. No change to salary on type conversion and line training. Next increase is 12 months after date of joining... S/O year 2.

[jtr]

Minima, you may want to check with the rec. office re Thrust's post.
It is illegal to employ anyone in HK without a valid work visa, thus when you first arrive, you get an "allowance", which I remember as being quite generous, until your visa is done. Then you go on the payroll.
As for getting PAID while in Adelaide, hmmm, maybe things have changed in the last few years (though I doubt for the better), but when I did it (6 years ago) you just got some AUD. $50 week I think it was. CX has no reason to pay you as all accomodation and food is supplied. However, I am happy to be proven wrong if recent experience shows otherwise!!

[whodunnit2]

Thrust is 100% correct.

I was in Adelaide a year ago and received full 1st year S/O salary as well as an allowance in Aussie Dollars.

Not too many companys do that!!!

[whodunnit2]

SK111,

The company sends you to Adelaide on a 1 month "course." It is designed to get people who come from different flying backgrounds onto an even footing so as to speak.

You complete a BE76 P1 rating while in Adelaide for your HK license and ride a JTS(Jet type simulator) sim which is used to introduce you to Cathay SOP's.

You will attend ground school lectures on the ATPL subjects that you will have to write once you get back to HK.

All in all the "course" is fairly laid back and helps you to adapt to the new way of thinking. All new joiners regardless of fleet go to Adelaide. The actual a/c conversion is done in the sims in HK.

The fact that you get your full salary plus allowances is testament to the fact that we do ultimately work for a very good company.
:D :)

[Clogmaster]

Hello all

This seems to be a positive post regarding Cathay Pacific so I thought I should post my question here!

Can anybody tell me when, and where, CX interviews people for the S/O positions, what does the recruitment process consist of, and where should I send my initial application to?

Perhaps someone can give me an answer without telling me that there is a recruitment ban bla bla bla bla :p :D

Thanks!!
CM

[n818af]

Want to know what are the disqualifying conditions in a CX physical? Given I have no major illness, wear glasses and probably underweight and wear glasses. Do they look for LASIK in the physical? (I have not done LASIK yet)

I am a HK chinese with FAA CPL CFI, FAA 1st class medical and 1000 hours, what is my chance of direct entry as S/O or F/O?

[Minima]

Clogmaster,your initial correspondence should be your CV with a covering letter stating your interest in employment as a pilot with CX.This should be mailed to :
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd
Flight Crew Recruitment (Second Officer)
Flight Operations Department
3/F South Tower
Cathay Pacific City
8 Scenic Road
Hong Kong International Airport
Lantau
Hong Kong

CX will send you an application form with their minimum requirements on it which are:
Second Officers
ATPL or CPL (ICAO)
Valid Multi engine Command Instrument Rating
All ATPL Ground Examinations passed
1,000 hrs total flying ,to include multiengine preferably turbine experience
A valid Medical and Radio Licence

After you have carefully filled it and it sent off,it may take months sometimes to get called up for an interview.In some cases it has been quicker otherwise you just keep updating your application every six months.

Cathay conducts the first interviews at their offices abroad like London/Paris for European candidates,Vancouver for North Americans and Sydney for Aussies/Kiwis etc.No allowances or tickets are given for the first interviews.
After clearing the first stage which includes a technical quiz,psychological test and an interview,successful candidates are called to Hong Kong for final evaluation .CX provides tickets,allowances,hotel etc for the candidate and the spouse.Medical,Sim ride and a final interview is conducted.

I hope this answers your questions.Wish you the best in your pursuit of a career with Cathay.

[whistlingdixy]

..... after a quick phone call:

On arrival in ADL you get your full Year 1 SO salary PLUS:

1. a HKG$10,000 'sign on bonus' from CX
2. AUS$540 ($135 per week) allowance

All you bank cards etc are sent to HSBC in ADL so you can pick everything up and access your accounts down there.... which is useful for all those nights at the CRAZY HORSE.

....as mentioned your accom and food are paid for in ADL so you are, for a short time, the best paid SOs in the company!

NB: Once you get to HKG there is an optional HKG$10,000 interest free loan too; to help you settle in. (you pay it back to CX @ $1000/mth)


Full Year 1 SO salary is approx US$4300 per month.

[borg]

.....I would say the lucky few get an interview after a few months.

Many friends have been waiting years.

[eaglejet]

OK guys, just talking about the situation before the ban.....

was there a lot of succesfull s/o applicants with only piston aircraft hours.
If yes is the training harder for them than people having turbine experience?

tanx

[shortly]

The only pure piston pilots applying for jobs at CX are from GA. We get many and a lot get through ok. Is the training harder for them? Well no it is not, just different areas of pressure. Your young sponge- like mind will pick up the glass complexities easily enough. I bet you enjoy computers. As long as your basic trainer was a good one then the foibles of the big jet will also be absorbed easily. Actually occasionally an advantage with no jet experience as you have not learnt any bad habits. But please I am not selling the difficulties short, it will be head down and b.m up for about 6-9 months before the pressure will slacken off. Worth the effort though because CX is a great company.

[tone-uncage-fire]

The only PURE difference is the exams you have to sit after your ADL training. Depending on experience most new joiners sit 7-9 exams in HKG... but those coming from a pure piston background have a few extras:

Piston and Jet Engine Theory
Advanced Systems (dont know the exact title.... but Hydraulics etc)
and Electrics.

There often seem no rhyme nor reason behind CADs logic with regard to who sits what exams but, save to say, if you have less than 100hrs on any particular type CAD ignore it.

We have C130 pilots who have to sit Loading exams and Navaho pilots who get that credited.... and people from the same companies sitting completely different exams.... but the piston folk definitely sit 2-3 more.

Proably not unjustifed; quite amusing in fact to see them getting used to jet engines in ADL!

"Can it really be this simple?"

The rest, sims etc at CX is just the same for all. Lets face it the cadets have no jet time and get on just fine. I agree with Shortly.

[Clogmaster]

Minima thank you very much for that information. My application is in the post!

Regards
CM

[eaglejet]

Which kind of benefits can you get when you are based out of HK (US, OZ or Europe)?

Is there a special indemnity, or tax benefits?

[middle]

You get to deadhead around the world for no credit.
You get to spend half your life in a hotel in HK.
You get to pay HK tax and tax in your home country.
You (according to Cathay management currently fighting in court) get no legal protection for your contract in your home country.
You get to be intimidated if you step out of line.

[eaglejet]

Hi guys,

How many days of holiday per year is included in the S/O package?

What's the average rate of tax you've got to pay on your salary in HK?

tanx

[FlexibleResponse]

...by fax?

[christep]

On tax, the question is 15% more or less flat rate on all taxable items. I expect that housing allowances (up to a limit) are not taxable.

[shortly]

The jury is still out on the taxation implications of housing allowance, guess we'll find out at the end of this year. Don't know about the SO COS so can't help with holidays.

[eaglejet]

Hi Guys,

When the ban at CC will be done, what will be the forecasts for pilots recruitment. I've been told that it was something like 250 expected for the next 5 years. Is it true?

Tanx

[Plastique]

Well do the sums...
3 A330's
3 B777
3 A340-600
9 (ahem) A300-600 Freighters ("we don't discuss rumours")
8 A380's (allegedly)
6 (more) whitetail B777's (according to Boeing)
4 (ex BA) -400's (subject to business case)

36 new aircraft.

I'd say the number is nearer 400.

[411A]

Hmmm, must not be good news to the AOA members, with all those new guys arriving, and "not wanted" by the assiciation. The company doesn't seem concerned...and why should they?;)

[Cpt. Underpants]

You just can't stay away from here, can you old fella?

Never fail to have a stir, do we? I would have thought that you'd be knee-deep in regulatory issues, FOM's, SOP's, IPC's and all the other paperwork that goes along with a startup. Yet you seem to always have time to surf, lurk and stir on the internet. Time is clearly not an issue with you is it?

Now having done a startup myself, I would guess that if you think it's all done, you have a bit of a shock coming.

Unless it doesn't exist. NAAAH.

Regarding the orders, Plastique, the only ones we should count are FIRM (9 airplanes) and I would go so far as to say that until you see them ON THE RAMP at CLK with "Cathay Pacific" painted on the side and a B-XXX registration, they're not here. 220 new hires is about right.

Not a pessimist, a realist.

[411A]

Actually Cpt Under, have been away from FH for awhile while others stir, and I see they have been successful.
Have been in HKG recently having a look at HAECO. Not what it used to be, that's for sure. Come to think, neither is CX, but it seems some crew just simply cannot let go of the good 'ole days.

[Minima]

Was informed recently by CX Management that 235 S/O are being hired.80 have already commenced trg.

[kenoath]

21 days

[Sly'n Smiley]

Do they look at anyone over 40??

[Cpt. Underpants]

Yup, they do...

But the hosties won't!!

[shortly]

Oh yes they will lol.

[eaglejet]

i guess this number of 21 days increases as the carreer at CX progresses, no?

[nudger]

What career?

[6feetunder]

Exactly, the terms and conditions will be diminishing in the very near future. NR has housing in his sights, next will be annual leave. Seniority is already a thing of the past, just ask RF.

[middle]

Nudger is correct. CX is no longer a career airline it is very much a contract airline. Nothing wrong with contract airlines just pointing it out.

The conditions at CX have gone south in a big way during the last 9 nine years and there is no reason to think that the executive office is sitting down trying to think up ways to improve things. So assume the contract is going to worse, a lot worse.

The last two major changes to our contracts were forced upon us. The atmosphere at CX is poison. The conditions are deteriorating worse than the HK Pollution.

[gissmonkey]

HOWS YA CONTRACT COMPARED TO OTHER AIRLINES THOUGH?

[6feetunder]

Compared to career airlines, which CX claims to be, sub-standard and getting rapidly worse.

Compared to contract work, it's probably among the top.

As long as you have your eyes wide open on the way in, there is no career at CX, just a 3 month contract.

[gissmonkey]

Sub-standard? When I talk to mates in Cathay/Qantas/Emirates it seems that Cathays is the best deal?

[shortly]

You guys are more full of **** than a crays head. Don't like it well &*%# off and leave the company to people who do like it. Whingeing malcontents.

[6feetunder]

Sent the dummy across the room this time! Nice one.

[what_goes_up]

Hi guys
does anybody know? Is CX hireing for it's europe cargo bases?
What is the deal for F/O 3500 hours and wide body experience?

TKS for answers

PS: Yes I know about the ban!!!! But need a job anyway!

[Piz Buin]

Go get it, I don't see many saying no to upgrades or turning down new positions when offered. ;)

[eaglejet]

Hi guys,

i guess CX pays the salaries in HKD but is there a part in another currency (e.g USD or AUD?), and can everybody choose the amount of this part in "foreign" currency?

[james lully]

eaglejet-Have seen many of your post lately. I would like to ask If your licence is FAA or UK CAA & JAA. The reason is it is most likely Cathay(passage fleet)will hire only the the guys who held lisence from UK CAA, JAA or any other Icao country. With FAA lisence they will hire the one with 737 time only. From what I heared there are only twenty FAA pilots in Cathay out of 1200 flight crew.

[eaglejet]

An FAA ATP, and that's totally wrong, many US pilots at Cx and many of them without jet experience before hired.
As long as you've got turbine experience, that's enough......

[jumpingdoc]

I just finished the physical and the second interview.
The poop:
-They are looking to hire 250 or so next year for the A/C's on order.
-The classes are full untill Jan 03 with the 48 new hires. (Not replacement workers)
-1000 hrs is a little shy, very experienced pilots in my interview group, primarily from Canada.
-FAA ATP is OK, as well as Comm. lic, but not the best.
-Lasik is OK, if one year passed since the procedure and it is verified stabilized by the opthalmologist. (have the document with you) They are unable to, and are not checking for Lasik, but if you get ratted out, you can be fired.
-The company is hoping to settle the 49ers mess, but they are not hurting at all by the ban, as the full classes prove. As the economic situation is getting worse in N. America, they will have less and less to worry. Pilots need to feed their families and they will accept the job in a snap although they sympathize with the fired pilots. (That was the concensus of my group) If they (and I)were given the opportunity to join AOA and help the 49ers, would gladly do so.
-Put your application in, study the info on www.Aviationinterviews.com and consider the ramifications if you pass the interviews and accept the position.

GOOD LUCK!

[ronnie123]

DOC, was your interview for S/O or direct entry F/O.

Are the stds same for GA pilots as some one like you with 10000+hrs.

[ironbutt57]

FAA licence IS an ICAO licence....:confused: :rolleyes:

[eaglejet]

OK guys, can i have an answer to my original question? (salaries in foreign currency)

tanx

[questions]

There are infact NOT, many American pilots here at CX. Those are the facts. They will accept FAA ratings. Especially right now. Apply as soon as you have 1000 hrs. You may or may not be competitive. Your age, along with your experience will play a large role in their judgement of your hours.

Best of Luck.

[Piz Buin]

You get an airy fairy union :p

[shortly]

You get to work with the best paid whiners in the industry.

[jumpingdoc]

Cargo FO in North America.

As far as the standards; I don't know, but I assume the standards are the same, since you will have an opportunity to be a PAX CA with sufficient time, experience and seniority.

[jumpingdoc]

That's not what the OFFICIAL briefing described.

[jumpingdoc]

Some of the reasons for small number of US pilots at CX or other foreign carriers:

1. They have (current situation aside) better pay opportunities, retirement and protection in the States.
2. The foreign carrier is aware of #1, and the fact that US pilots are likely to leave and not stay untill retirement, thus less likely to offer them an interview or a job.
3. Americans are more ethnocentric and not likely to voluntarily live in another countries and put up with the "inconveniences" of crowding, mass transportation, different language..etc.
4. The FAA licensing requirements are easier than JAA and as such, somewhat looked down upon. (Is it really important to know, how many rivets hold the A/C together?) BTW at CX you have to take the CAD test anyway, so it does not matter what license you have now, FAA or the "high speed" JAA.

Flame away!

[6feetunder]

They measure your rectum too, for the bat handle they plan to stuff up it once every two years or so.

[james lully]

jumpingdoc- What is CAD, What are the tests?

[PeterZee]

Do you realize how foolish comments like that sound to the vast majority of pilots working in the GA markets worldwide?

Just wondering.

Good luck jumpingdoc.

[gissmonkey]

of course he doesn't know
good luck jumpindoc

[fire wall]

actually 6feet under, they measure the distance between C1 and L5 vertebrae so they can make a backbone for you spineless types who insist on others rowing the industrial boat for you.

[Piz Buin]

Plenty of backbone on those taking upgrades & starting fresh. Go get it guys ;)

[middle]

Fisrt item on the mune is a speeling tets jame.

[jumpingdoc]

It is the Chinese Aviation Authority test for a license in HK

[graffiti]

YOU ARE PAID THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY YOU ARE BASED IN.
IE... IF YOU ARE BASED IN THE U.S.A., YOUR SALARY WILL BE TOTALLY IN U.S. DOLLARS. IF YOU ARE BASE DIN HKG...IT WILL BE H.K. DOLLARS

[6feetunder]

You like those bat handles don't ya fire wall?

[BlueEagle]

Three posts 'on topic' and six well and truly 'off topic'!

I think jumingdoc has pretty much answered your question n818f so will close this thread now.

BlueEagle - Moderator.

[last officer]

i called a few days ago, they told me there are no vacancies for the freighter fleet at the moment,and no plans to recruit even in 2003..

[shortly]

My understanding is that there are vacancies to be filled in the freighter fleet next year. I have heard 14 mentioned. CX did finals for freighter FO slots in HKG last week and there are to be more. Keep pestering them and good luck.

[what_goes_up]

Hi Guys
TKS for info. Much appreciated!
shortly, where would you start to pester? My application is on file for about 7 month. I am just about to send my update.

REGS

w_g_u

[shortly]

I would ring or e-mail recruitment direct. You will just say you are checking on your application.

[what_goes_up]

HI shortly
Thank you. do you have an e-mail adress of Mrs. Lucas or the recruitment?

[74world]

Hi,

This is Mrs Lucas email address, good luck.....

[email protected]

Cheers:D

[what_goes_up]

74world
Thank you for the e-mail address!! I'll give it a try.
Does anybody have a clue about the deal (salary, rooster, paid leave...) for newbies with above mentioned experience?

Thanks gents, bottoms up at the next stop at Joe Bananas and Dark 'till dawn!!

[74world]

First year FO for CX cargo base Europe is 42.000 £

[74world]

What goes up,

The email address I gave you was not very clear, please note that between andrea and lucas there is that sign _

if you don't put it, it won't work.....

also you could send your CV to Tony Penny

tony_penny@cathaypacific. com

same deal between tony and penny dont forget _

Cheers

;)

[what_goes_up]

Cheers 74world
Got that with _ !! Lazy as I am, I just copy/past it and it worked the right way.
My CV is already in the mill. I was just looking for a way to show them that I am still here. I do hope, that there will be some openings on a euro-base soon.

[Cpt. Underpants]

Tony won't be impressed with recruitment info requests as he is fleet liason on the 'Bus.

Recruitment emails should go here: link ([email protected])

[TangoAir]

Europe cargo bases: what countries?

[PeterZee]

Cpt. U.

I had heard TP had left the recruiting department, just curious how long ago? He was a fixture there for so long...

Tnx.

[what_goes_up]

TangoAir
As far as I know the bases are FRA, CGD and LHR.

[jumpingdoc]

I was there last week for round #2, and this was the word. I understood these numbers for NA, but I could be wrong. No mention of Europe.

All the E mail addresses given by previous posters are valid and current except Mr. Tony Penny. I had the opportunity to meet them all.

I received the first call about 14 months and two updates after my initial resume submission. The second round invite came within two weeks of the first interview.

Good luck.

[Cpt. Underpants]

Tony moved about 6 months ago after more than 7 years in recruitment. It's his first real "promotion" in all those years and now has nada to do with it. He's probably happy to have his life back...the poor fellow was bothered 24/7 by hopefuls looking for an "inside line".

[PeterZee]

Thanks, I wondered where he went.

[Hydrolix]

Not that it matters if you are based in either HKG or USA, constant exchange rate of 7.9997, for last 10 years or so.

[eaglejet]

Hi,

Among the pilots population, how many nationalities are working at CX?

[Minima]

Hiya PPRUNERS.Need some info on the type of accomodation possible in HK$14000 that the CX pay for Housing Allowance for S/O.Square yards,# of rooms ,area etc etc.Have been surfing the net for accomodation but it seems anything reasonable is about twice as much.Inputs from new S/O's would be highly appreciated.

[shortly]

There are plenty of reasonable pads available for that price, some also furnished. The price would depend on location but on Lantau itself you would get an apartment of 700 - 1000 square feet, and it would be nice. Other areas such as Sai Kung and Shatin are also available in that price bracket. Not an expert on the septics haven in Discovery Bay but probably ok there too. You probably won't want a car initially - too expensive so a close location such as Tung Chung or the Gold Coast might suit.

[christep]

As shortly says that won't be a problem in many locations. What you will find though is that the apartments have more rooms than you might be used to. There are plenty of 1000 sq ft apartments that are three or even four bedroom! So it depends on your personal situation - if you are looking for a reasonably sized bachelor pad (say 1000-1200 sq ft one or two bedrooms) then it may be tricky because they are few and far between, regardless of the price.

[eaglejet]

Hi ,

do you guys know a web site with some questions samples for the interview or other helps. the one from SOLO was really nice but now the site is dead.

tanx

[Propsareforkids]

FAA is NOT an ICAO licence!

[questions]

Yes, In FACT the FAA is an ICAO license.

[jtr]

Damn all these years the best rate I have been getting is 7.79!

Who's ya bank hydrolix?

[eaglejet]

Hi guys,

Just wondering what would be the best company for an expat pilot. Cathay or Emirates? If you compare salary scale, benefits....etc what can be the best carreer opportunity etween those 2 airlines.

Any judgement is welcome

[SOLO]

"3. Americans are more ethnocentric and not likely to voluntarily live in another countries and put up with the "inconveniences" of crowding, mass transportation, different language..etc. "

Haven't you slipped in New York City? Talk about ethnic groups crowded together and using public transportation...

4. The FAA licensing requirements are easier than JAA and as such, somewhat looked down upon. (Is it really important to know, how many rivets hold the A/C together?) BTW at CX you have to take the CAD test anyway, so it does not matter what license you have now, FAA or the "high speed" JAA.

"easier"... "rivets"... Since when does being handed a book of ANO's and ANR's and being asked to find the highest aerial in Hong Kong have anything to do with qualifications? Oh wait that is the CAD exam, I guess that must be easier than the FAA one...

[PUDDY]

Hey everyone,

Just wondering if CX has been running first interviews in CYVR at all? Has anyone from Canada gone to CX Latly?

Thanks

P

[questions]

Yes, people from Canada have been around at CX recently. In fact, one from Vancouver. ex-c-3000.

[eaglejet]

Would appreciate any email contact from CX pilots based in Paris.

Tanx

[eaglejet]

Hi folks,

Would appreciate any info about cost of living in Hong Kong for the expenses of everyday (food....etc) compared to the cost of living in Europe or in the US.

tanx

[Fr8t M8te]

You could always try the search facility for this previously covered subject.

16 topics started in just over a month on this forum Eaglejet?

Respect:rolleyes:

[BASIS]

It's not the cost of living you gotta worry about it's the cost of your health and sanity.

[eaglejet]

why health or sanity? Does your company not take care of it?

[eaglejet]

During the first 4 years at CX are S/O only limited to the function of cruise pilots?

[Mr Nice guy]

yes SOs are cruise pilots... but it won't be for as long as 4 yrs. More like 2 yrs or so.

[nudger]

New CX S/O's = SC@B

In my eyes anyways.

[shortly]

All those who took upgrades to Captain and F/O after the 49ers were fired have filled the positions of their own colleagues. The new joiners are merely filling expansion slots in the company. The AOA members took their own mates jobs and persist in calling innocent new joiners scabs - sad really - their sense of self interest has blinded them.

In my eyes anyway.

[BlueEagle]

Housekeeping

There are currently a number of threads running all asking questions about terms, conditions, allowances etc. for Cathay so as a housekeeping measure I am merging them all under this thread.

Please would those wishing to ask question use this thread to do so. Many thanks.

BlueEagle - Moderator.

[tone-uncage-fire]

Time to JFO currently 28 months, in part due to the slow down since Sept 11th. That said with current expansion it is expected to drop below 2yrs by June 03.

[eaglejet]

I found a few days ago a comparison of the 1993 CX salary scale and the DragonAir salary scale on the KA website.

Where can i find an updated salary scale for a carreer at CX (from S/O salary to Senior Captain)?

tanx

[Bigyin]

What is the situation re the recruitment ban at the mo? Heard that new recruits can end up in all sorts of trouble with the union if they accept job offers now. Is this right?

[tone-uncage-fire]

About a year ago the SO Package looked like this:

Pay: HK$386,000
Housing: HK$243,000
Allowances: HK$60,000 (varies on fleet/roster obviously)

Incoming: HK$:689,000 = US$87,215

Of course this can be mis-leading as the housing allowance goes directly into your rent (in full).

Annual before tax (but after rent) HK$446,000 = US$56,685

Tax is 15-17% leaving approx: HK$379,000 = US$47,800 take-home-in-your-pocket-play-money.

Multiply that by 1.8 and you get a general FO package: ie: US$86,000 in your pocket.

Before I get shot to pieces remember these examples are only for HKG based crews.... if you choose to be based you are paid in local currency and subject to local tax regulations. Also as, stipulated on many threads there are various contracts..... the above example is only my experience.

Traditionall we also got a 13 month salary/christmas bonus (which paid 2/3's of your tax bill) but this was not paid last year....who knows this year?? I have not included it in the abv maths.

"Its a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, in side an enigma" WC 1945

[FlexibleResponse]

This year the package includes eternal damnation from IFALPA and from all "Professional Pilots" for joining under a Recruiting Ban.

(Try Dragonair)

[shortly]

Eternity of course being as long as conveniently necessary.

[a330]

just curious about previous guys who went for the interview last year(sept) interview.do you guys have any info or updated cx and what sort of reply did you get from cx ? anyone made it through ? congrats to those who got in :).any idea when is the next round of interviews/recruitment for s/o's ?
thanks

[KiwiScot]

A number of interviews were held in Auckland last week...

[apollon]

Are they still interviewing?
I have over 10.000hrs- Jet -FAA & ICAO ATPL, but still
waiting for the call...

[fullforward]

Any chances in CX taking DECs?

[cptn-bat]

Could anyone give some info regarding the ban and the so called 49ers for us that we didn't follow the story from the begining?
Thank you.

[cptn-bat]

After a little search i found out about the ban.The only questions i couldn't find answers to are:
1)why after all those pilots got fired?
2)what are they doing now?Did they find jobs anywhere else?

[BlueEagle]

cptn-bat - If you browse through this forum and look for threads with titles that look relevant I think you will discover that there is a difference of opinion amongst Cathay crews as to quite why the pilots got fired. It is my interpretation that the company fired the pilots in order to assert themselves as employers and demonstrate to the work force that their jobs were not set in concrete, hoping to bring to an end a long period of industrial unrest. That is my personal observation and may be quite wide of the mark.

I think you will find that some of the '49ers' are still in HKG, some have left and only some have found alternative employment.

fullforward You are likely to get two answers to your question, depending on who you ask.

One camp will say, "No chance" and the other will say, "Not yet but maybe in the future".

I don't believe CX have taken any DEC yet and have a long list of aspiring F/O's to cover any forthcoming vacancies. I am not in CX and can only speak as I find on this BB, possibly some CX guys would care to answer?:)

My advice would be, "Don't hold your breath".

BlueEagle - Moderator.

[shortly]

DECs were employed during the formation of ASL, the CX low cost freighter plan. To say never would be foolish, but, it is not likely that DECs will be hired at CX, contingencies such as greatly increased industrial action by the AOA might change that of course. Notwithstanding the ban, hiring goes on apace with excellent quality applicants from all corners of the globe trying to get into CX. This is for DEFO slots for the freighter or SO slots. No political comment there, that's just how it is.
Some 49ers have left Hong Kong but many have kept their roots here.

[fullforward]

How is CX package for a new Captain?

[Skaz]

Okay, I gues then these 49'er guys are all still p*ssed at anybody getting in...sorry for them, but there are many,many guys and girls out there who break their backs under the hot (african) sun flying little p*sscrickets like C206's for years that hope for a break to get into a big operation like this.
If the wheel turns, it turns.
It has rolled over me, and it has taken me to the top again. Face it guys, job security is a myth. End of story. If I can realize this with my few years in the marketplace under my belt, surely you can as well. Plan for it...
It sucks big time to get shafted by your employer, wether it is one guy or a whole management army...I feel for the guys that have been fired, hope you get back on your feet, in a good operation elsewhere maybe. I have had it happen to me in the past, I have friends who have had it happen to them THIS MONTH.
BUT, if someone else is 'lucky' enough to get his big break, let him have it.

'nuf said,
is the hiring still going on at this time...or the feeding frenzy over?

[6feetunder]

You are a sensitive pr1ck aren't you?

[Skaz]

looks like I hit a nerve there, sonny, say something you dont like?

or can you just not face reality, with an attitude like that you should be 6 feet under

f you in the a ,prick yourself

[6feetunder]

Oooooh we got a live one here! Smart too! What is a p1sscricket anyway?

[BlueEagle]

Skaz and 6feetunder. Enough of the name calling, thank you, it does not become mature, educated and highly trained people.

Back to the topic please.

Thanks, BlueEagle - Moderator.

[Skaz]

Oh dear,
Appollogies, Mr Eagle Sir, I assume we get reprimanded in alphabetical order?;)

6inch, thats what you should be flying.:D

Other intelligent life on this thread: Had a look at the website last night, seems the applications are stopped for the time being, anybody got an idea when they will accept more?:confused:

[shortly]

Skaz, the 'immoral ban' has been sooooo effective that all course dates are full. Interviews are proceeding but all new applications are being 'held'. New applications are being accepted for the hold file so if you are interested I would submit and follow up later. Don't worry about reacting to the child like comments you might occasionally get on this forum, don't validate them by appearing upset.

[Skaz]

shortly,
thanks mate, hows the best way to contact them? email, fax, snailmail ?

CV ready for liftoff and counting..10..9..8...

[shortly]

Snail mail is best, but if you don't get an immediate response the ring them. They are pretty flat out at the moment. Good luck.

[ronnie123]

Mr. Shortly,
How long does one wait in the hold pool for SO, I got a letter saying your application is in flie.

thks.

[siuming]

Hi!!
Does any one know what exactly will happen in the first round interview for Cathay's cadet pilot programme??
I was told that there will be written tests on IQ and English, an aptitute test, medical check and individual interview.
What question will they probably ask during interview? What is the different between IQ and aptitute test? Any one have gone through the interview can provide some info to me??
Thanks a lot!!