AOA takes non-financial members to court

[pilotabroad]

Can anyone confirm that the AOA has started to take members only paying 1% to the HKG Small Claims Tribunal?

[Doctor J]

Close, but not quite right.

The HKAOA has taken a small handful of NON members to small claims court who left the Association, but refused to pay amounts owing at the time.

[411A]

A bit short of cash, are they? Empty coffers, empty promises, empty threats, empty heads...the AOA is in a right pickle.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[6feetunder]

Prick.

[RadioFlyer]

If they were short on cash, they wouldn't be splurging on the legal fees for these small cases, would they? No, this fight, like most of the AOA's, is one based on principle -- but 411A wouldn't know a thing about that. :rolleyes:

[411A]

Principle?

Balderdash....more like pigheadedness....or, don't confuse with the facts, our minds(?) are made up.:rolleyes:

CX management must be up in their executive lounge, sipping their gin and tonics, having a good laugh....watching the AOA turn on its very members, with legal action that will only, in the long run, alienate more members.

Considering all this...the AOA is way PAST its prime, and needs to be disbanded...to start over with fresh ideas. Will this happen? Not likely, with the AOA "leaders" having their collective heads where the sun doesn't shine.

This "comedy of errors" could not even be sold to Hollywood for a movie plot...no one would believe it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Cpt. Underpants]

Just subsitute "411A" for "AOA" and it's you, old codger...

Considering all this...411A is way PAST his prime, and needs to be disbanded...to start over with fresh ideas. Will this happen? Not likely, with 411A having his head where the sun doesn't shine.

I continue to be amazed at your stupidity.

[411A]

Yes Capt Underwear,
and can truly say that all here are laughing our sox off at the antics of the AOA.
Great stuff...keep it up.;) ;)

[411A]

Well frankie, I suppose that the only positive thing you can say about the AOA is...desperate people will try desperate actions.
Those from afar can only look on and wonder...what can these guys be thinking? Not that this would make any difference you understand...the outcome for all practical purposes has already been determined, and the future is not bright for the "association".

[6feetunder]

Interesting comment 411A. If someone owed you money would you not want payment? You send them a letter and ask them nicely right? Then maybe your lawyer sends them a letter and asks again right? If that doesn't work you then file a complaint and let a judge tell them what you have been trying to tell them all along, pay your debts.

Not desperate, just business.

What appalls me is that there are ex-members of the union that feel just because they resign it wipes out any back dues they owe. Not even you would tolerate that me thinks.

[411A]

6FU

Don't know about HKG law, but generally in the USA, there has to be a mutually agreed contract between the parties. If, for example, these members (now non-members) felt that the union was not, has not, and will not represent their views, then I suspect that they would have every right to withdraw and withhold payment, for services not rendered. Wonder what 'de judge will say? In addition, suspect that this legal action will only stimulate others into becoming non-members, thereby reducing the associations bargining power. Looks like a poorly thought out plan to me but hey...desperate actions by desperate folks.
Maybe the AOA will get lucky.:rolleyes:

[mole]

Come on guys do not give this SOG the pleasure of reading your replies to his fatuous posts. He is old, lonely and a very sad individual. He posts crap just to get a response, that way he doesn't feel quite so lonely anymore.

[6feetunder]

Agreed frank! What services would you be speaking of 411A? Seems well over 90% of the membership was supporting the union just over a year ago, sounds pretty representative to me.

[411A]

6 feet under

More than likely correct, a year ago. But gosh, what a difference a year makes...more and more members are beginning to see the hypocrisy of the AOA's elitist position...and voting with their feet and wallets. Can you really be surprised at this? OTOH, with the AOA's snoot so far up in the air, probably not.:rolleyes: :)

[6feetunder]

What elitist position?

[411A]

The position of expecting new hires to carry the burden of the AOA's "problems" on their shoulders, while the AOA members accept upgrades.
Or, to put it another way, do as we say, not as we do.:rolleyes:

[Cpt. Underpants]

Hogwash, you buffoon.

Speaking of hogwash, how's the "virtual airline"?

[shortly]

Interesting development this, understandable that the AOA wants to 'capitalise' all its debtors. However, could be a couple of down sides, I imagine most people only started getting into arrears when the company stopped allowing salary deductions. A legal argument could be made that people who expected that situation to continue for the duration of their membership could reasonably not have to make other arrangements. Further, I imagine the company would love to get a couple of it's high priced legal counsel into court to prove that the AOA were not providing the service that it's members wanted anyway. Hold onto your hats.

[shortly]

Sorry, red wine again - anyway it's more about principal than principle this time methinks.

[shortly]

Sure Frank a few, including that beauty in Oz the TWU et al.

[Kaptin M]

Where's Tinass? He's usually right behind 411's posterior, and I fully expected he would have posted one of his gooffy one-liners by now - although the old timer is doing a pretty good job of displaying his NON-business, non-industrial awareness/knowledge all by himself!

Just a shame that the Federation in Australia didn't take the same action against a couple of pilots who took advantage of the work put in by the union, on behalf of pilots (e.g. licence insurance, salary and allowance increases, travel benefits, accomodation standards). They turned out being the noteable SCABS in 1989 - the FIRST ones to put the boot into their fellow pilots!

[jtr]

shortly, please excuse what may seem like an obvious question, but what is the relevance of the TWU?

[shortly]

Of no particular relevance, just one of the unions I have been in during my working life. And no I was not working for an airline or in aviation at the time. Lot younger and wiser - or perhaps I thought I was. You know when you are 17 you know all the answers and when 70 realise you didn't even understand the questions. As a real laugh for those who can make of this what they will, I was an organiser for the ALP in them days, even knew Gough Whitlam pretty well.

[HotDog]

Jesus Shortly, Gough Whitlam! You know he started a business venture called Whitlam Chicken in competition to Kentucky Fried?
Didn't last very long, nobody would buy his product. It was all left wing and a#seholes!:D

[mole]

Shorty your posts lead me to the conclusion that you may be imbibing rather too much red wine. Suggest you stop while you are behind (not original unfortunately) or only post on bulletin boards after drinking green tea.

Cheers old boy.