UK firm orders 10 400XP's - India based.

[robbreid]

UK-based firm places order for 10 Hawker business jets New Delhi (PTI): A premier British investment firm on Tuesday announced orders for 10 new Hawker business jets, worth over USD 70 million, which would be operated on lease for air charters in India by a Bangalore-based firm.
The UK-based ISIS Group placed firm orders for 10 Hawker 400XP light jets at a business aviation convention in Florida yesterday, a Hawker Beechcraft Corporation (HBC) spokesperson said here.
These aircraft would be leased and operated for air charter services by Aviators India Pvt Ltd, whose entire operations would be supported by InterGlobe General Aviation's HBC-authorised service centre in Delhi.
For the ISIS Group, this initial purchase of aircraft is for their new investment in the Aviators India, which would launch its charter services in the second half of next year. While five of these aircraft would be delivered next year, the remaining five would be delivered in 2010.
"This order highlights the growing demand in India for private aircraft and it further cements Hawker Beechcraft as the superior choice for business travel in the region," HBC President (Commercial Sales) Brad Hatt said in a statement.
Maintaining that the existing sales of aircraft engines was "strong", he said "with the surge of orders we have experienced in India this year, we are poised to continue to grow our aviation leadership position in the region.

[Flintstone]

So much for the doom and gloom merchants.

Or are they just as mad as Banana Republic? Time will tell.

[Twin2040]

How about shipping the entire world wide fleet of these Ricerockets - Mitsubishi, Beech, Hawker or whatever the are ...............:}

[robbreid]

Brazil order for 23 Hawkers!!!

Líder, a South American Hawker Beechcraft dealer and authorized service center since 1996, bought what is considered to be one of the largest general aviation aircraft orders in Brazilian history with a value estimated at nearly $200 million, Hawker Beechcraft says. The contract was signed by Lider CEO Eduardo de Pereira Vaz.

The order consists of three Hawker 4000, two Hawker 900XP, three Hawker 750, five new Hawker 450XP, one Beechcraft King Air B200GT, four Beechcraft King Air C90GTi, two Beechcraft Baron G58 and three Beechcraft Bonanza G36 aircraft.

Deliveries for the 23 aircraft will take place from 2009 to 2011.

[merlinxx]

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[LGW Vulture]

Calm down Merlin - I've been with this deal from day one and Monday was indeed a proud day,

Good luck to all who sail with ISIS Aviators - much hard work to come but we'll make it work. :ok:

[doubleu-anker]

LGW Vulture

Good luck with the new venture with aviators.

I would take it you have done your homework and research, certainly one would hope so. However one must ask the question, is there enough money on the sub continent, indeed in Asia, to support another operation such as aviators?

Who do we have at the moment. Club one, Bjets and now this operation of 10 a/c.

The down turn in Asia is certainly making it's presence known already and could be long lasting.

[Professional40]

It takes more than a rupee to come to a level that this guy has come up to. You gotta be one of the unfortunate ones whose tounge seems to to wagging with envy.
This guy came up working 18 hours a day while we were fortunate to have money and were partying during the training days in USA. I have know him for 20+ years. He has worked himself up to a very respectable position in India and abroad and I am sure that he will make this venture a damn sucessful one. He is a survivor and a fighter and he will make it.

Have you ever had the courage to start any venture and risk your money. I doubt very much. These are guys with vision, guts and courage and are not easily discouraged by loose comments. I dont think you have any credibility to question Aviators credibility in India.

Fancy messages and claims dont go far. :=
I would suggest some maturity.

[Flintstone]

I can't vouch for the others but I'm merely questioning the timing of this and any other new venture.

Wish them all well though.

[Professional40]

I guess you need a postive attitude, gut feel, knowledge of the market and an imbedded element of risk taking attitude which Aviators seem to have.

You can only wish him well!!

:ok:

[Professional40]

There hasn't been a fractional ownership program in India since the laws are not explicit for the program for internal taxation, import and depreciation.

Club One is not a fractional program like a typical one in USA. It only breaks the ownership by taking deposits but does not pass the ownership to the customer. Their program has been hyped up.

Look back in the web. You will find that Aviators made the first attempt to start the program about 6- 7 years ago and others followed him, including Club One.

Check this guy out on the web. You will have your opinion about him.


:)

[merlinxx]

You know this chap?

[Professional40]

Yes. Pretty much. I was also one of the instructors while he was training. He did a lot of good for his friends.

Did you anytime work with Jeppesen since I see that you recommend them quite a lot.

[Professional40]

I was hoping to get a response from you to my reply on THIS GUY is Bangalore. If you have something to say with some substance for your comments... go ahead and put it up OR I suggest that you do not make such comments on anyone.

I have not seen a single comment in the network say anything about him negative.

This is a request to any professional who has worked or working with him ..... I would appreciate your comments on this so called Aviators "GUY" from Bangalore.

[merlinxx]

I've used Jepp products & services for 40+ years. I still think that the charting/nav data/CFP services to the best. Have used some of the trip planning services of Jepp, along with UV, AirRouting & WFS/Base Ops. All have their best areas of service, and choose which for where/when. I have used Lockheed/Jeppesen Jetplan through from FAR91/121 to UK/Mid East AOC/Corporate ops, I still reckon it's the best, anyways for me that is.

I like the consistency of Jeppesen. It just happens that I do know allot of the Jepp folks, as I do know allot of the UV, AR & Base Ops management, hey yes and socialise at NBAA/EBACE with them as well, who doesn't enjoy a free glass of wine and good food.

[Professional40]

Will agree with you on Jepp products. That may however not hold true for the people who work at Jeppesen or are favorites to the product.

However would like to know from you why you made a comment on this guy in Bangalore which was not polite without giving any details. Does it not spoil a fellow pilots name when you do not know of all the facts and the background of the person. What restricts any person in this forum to log in and say nasty things about you to shatter your profile?

I assume this Professional Pilots rumor network is for news seeking assistance and clarification about operational matters or issues that may help other pilots and professionals in the world, certainly not to spread rumors of a / any person without evidence.

With the experience that you claim, I would assume that you are semi retired or close to that. I would also hazard a guess of who you are and your association with Jeppesen considering you mentioned Ed's name from Africa in your forum. There were only a few people who know this guy in Bangalore and Ed at the same time since both these guys started business around the same time with Jeppesen. By the way this guy from Bangalore use to represent Jeppesen in India and did wonders for them in handling.

Your comments!!:)

[merlinxx]

Just for your edification, text removed:ok:

Nope I have nothing to do with Jeppesen apart from as a customer!

You mention Ed Boyo, yup met at NBAA & at Euro shows/conventions, the start dates coincide, well you learn something every day! Ed is a good addresser of convention delegates. Have used both the operations for services in the past, especially when they started, Ed I think in '92 or '94, would need to check logs, but with India, moved to another supplier north of BLR, as have those who recommended these folks.

Lets just say, maybe you are the Principle:=

Finish I'm tired of negative history, I only want to remember the good times:E

If you wish to ctc further PM me OK?

[weido_salt]

Saw a ZS reg B1900 in MUM with Aviators name written all over it, last time I was there.

[Professional40]

Appreciate the edit. We can put this to rest.

Thank you for the understanding.

[jetsetarun]

I am the principal not Professional40 as you are suggesting.

Please read my name. I am the owner of Aviators.

:)

[1flier]

Ok, this is getting too much like flightinfo on bashing. Professional40 knows him and I currently work for the guy. Pro40 is right, this guy lived the american dream by coming up out of nothing. From pumping gas during the graveyard shift in New York to being a mechanic helper on aircraft to pay for training. Facts, he has been operating in India for about 14 years now. 2 - There is more money in India than you can imagine, more new millionaires in India than anywhere else in the world. 3 - I am not a Indian, I left my US carrier to come work for him and have no regrets. The man stands by his word which is better than the so called contract my previous union had made with my carrier. Now, some of the negative comments towards India in general, unless you have been there and lived here or worked here, then no comments. Only reason I say that is that I was told some of the same when I told friends I accepted a job here. People are not dying in the streets, the beggars are less than those in Washington DC lining the Vietnam Memorial or down by the Smithsonian, way less. Neither me or my copilot have gone to the hospital for food poisoning or anything. Actually, the 10 XP's are the tip of the iceberg. As far as customers, heck Bollywood puts out 3 times as many movies as Hollywood, when you call customer service anywhere, odds are it routes to India or Malaysia, so plenty of customers here to support fractionals and charters. So as Pro40 said, if you know this gentleman or have direct experience with his operation, then go ahead and post a comment. If not, enough said.

[weido_salt]

1 flier

That was quite a post.

If I didn't know any better I would have said that was a brown nose job.

[1flier]

Well Weido, you wouldn't if you would truely understand the post. My contract has been singed a while ago and I smile my way to the bank on a monthly basis. So this isn't brown nosing, I make plenty already, I just hate seeing non informed individuals make comments about something or someone they dont know. If you have never had a boss that has been good enough to you for you to defend their character, then I feel for you. I joined pprune because I was sick of the bashing I would see on flightinfo from the same uninformed individuals. He is a good guy and I see no reason for someone to drag his reputation through the mud unless they can provide examples based on personal observation or experience with said person. Now if you are one of those that enjoys trying to touch a nerve or start a bash fest, this is all you will get from me on this thread. If you have something to share relevant to the original post then please share it. Or if you or anyone else has questions about the owner then feel free to pm me. And remember, the person you bash here today could be the DO in your interview tomorrow. Safe flying, keep it professional.

[travelierflyer]

I would agree with 1flier particularly if he is currently working for him. This forum is not for personal bashing unless you have something on this guy. Your's and merlinxx's comments certainly are not in good taste for a professional fraternity who by and large keep this forum for exchange of information relevant to help fellow pilots and aviators. I think , when the industry is going through a downturn, and if there are still employers, who can keep the company going and their employees happy, its comendable.

A laid off pilot would tell you how important it is to have a boss with a positive approach and commitment to keep everything going and also keep his staff in a positive and high morale mode, when there is uncertainty every day of being liad off. I have heard about this Aviators guy. He is something of a man with a load full of experience and patience to work in an environment which is harsh and sometimes very difficult.

I saw the thread which was started by merlixx and this is totally uncalled for. SO please stop this unwarranted messages.