Jordan Aviation [Archive]

JS3

23rd October 2006, 12:20

Have a few friends there working. They are constantly taking pilots on. You have to self fund your type and line training which costs something like 40 to 50 thousand USD.

Overall if you need the experience or your foot in the door to the aviation jobs, this company will get you there. They have 2 A310 at the moment, which fly to all ends of the Earth (and to some really strange places) all year round.

Good Luck

countbat

24th October 2006, 01:21

It looks like they are looking for some B737-300 current captains. Is it a good move or just some crappy job? What do they have to offer? How much is the pay?

chia

27th January 2007, 00:47

Does one know Jordanaviation Airlines Capt and F.O. salaries in Jordan on their Airbuses and Boeings. {not Royal Jordanian airlines}
thnx

tarik123

27th January 2007, 07:35

Basic salary 7000usd, based on 50 hrs per month based on 3 months roster,
so if you fly more than 150hrs in 3 months you get 75usd per hr normaly
paid on the 5th month.

You must pay transportation, company club membership, coffe and tea, your own accomodation in Jordan, every training course or sim the company offers
(CRM initial or recurent...etc), and you must understantd that these payments are not optional.

As for flying, you are expected to be on standby all the time, and to fly to
almost every destination you do not want to be, like Bagdad, Erbil, Kabol..

Enjoy

ironbutt57

27th January 2007, 07:55

Thats like paying for your own transport to the firing squad...

skygod

28th January 2007, 15:59

hello,
Jordan aviation is not the best airline to work for, unless ur just starting your aviation career, and have no options. Amman,Jordan is a very expensive city to live in.....i mean extreemly expensive. Heard them about six months ago going into monrovia,liberia. Mainly United Nation Charters. Word for the grape vine, says they been banned from flying into Europe,however i cannot confirm that. All the best, I advise you look elsewhere.

regards,

skygod

ODGUY

28th January 2007, 17:36

From the posts above, gee golly, this place sounds like a great company to fly for.

You get to pay for everything!

Where do I sign up :ugh:

chia

3rd February 2007, 12:10

Evidently they pay your initaial or recurrent, and then one is required to reimburse them per month at a percentage of the cost of the training, plus an additional 15% of that training cost.

chia

6th February 2007, 05:15

A spin off company of jordan aviation www.aspdjordan.com does all the financing. Whether initial or recurrent they finance the cost plus 15% surcharge and then reduce monthly off ones's payback. If one is inexperienced probably a way to get time. Experienced people probably better off staying away as they are cheap, and the place is run as a one man show who is the president.. They have just started a new airline named Alexandria Airlines in Egypt with a couple of 737's i recall.

awathik82

25th May 2007, 14:18

yes dear this capt wathik,am still there regards

skygod

14th September 2007, 13:20

ITS A VERY bad airline to work for. Maintenace is very bad on both the b737-300, and Airbus. Please beware of fake promises jordan aviation. A word is enough for the wise!!!!.

skygod

14th September 2007, 14:03

Hey bro,
Dont let me expose your B-737 flying around with no LVL CHG button on the MCP Panel. Or all the money laundering happeneing with Alexandria Airlines in EGYPT. Alexandria Airlines is the next FLASH Airlines......REMEMBER THAT. STOP !!!!it right there or i'll go public. Its a pitty that murders like you, fly families around the world for an extra 100 usd from khashman.100usd to fly airplanes with major snags. Poverty, and proffesionalisim dont go together by the way, so find another career.

SKYGOD

7500

16th September 2007, 18:46

mick06 before you come on here trying to insult captains who have gained their licences from proper flying institutions you should try buying the oxford dictionary to help you with your english.

also some people can dream about the left seat because thats as close as you will ever get to it.

for your information the congo licence holder as you mentioned is orginally an oxford UK CPL/IR and ATPL graduate which you can only dream to have in amman!!!!!

fadnan

19th September 2007, 12:30

I totaly Agree with you 7500 , I flew in Jordan Aviation with one capt he holds Uk ATPL , and Validation Jordanian . Jordan aviation not the best but there are some good pilots over there taking care of it , ...........

7500

19th September 2007, 21:28

I can confirm that nobody has flown any aircraft on any fleet with a dead engine in jordan aviation.

Whoever is feeding you such information mick06 is taking you for a ride most probably because you are a fool!!!!:8

We have some excellent captains in Jordan Aviation and its a pleasure working with them. We have some demanding operations so its good to know that Im flying with good guys. I can assure you that these guys are very experienced and have great knowledge. To learn from feels very rewarding and for that I thank them (Knowledge is power something mick06 will never have:confused:)

Im not going to deny that things are perfect here because they are not just like everywhere else in the world but if you dont like it you can :mad: leave.

We are not a cathay pacific or emirates and will never be them but we certainly know our jobs!!!!

one last thing mick06, fack is spelt as the following: FAKE

;)

mick06

21st September 2007, 14:50

.... some pilots are working her with us used to be in Jordan aviation they told us unbelievable stories about flying in Jordan aviation and how they used to be forced to fly in africa with snags and exceeding duty time limitations
belive me those are not taking us in a ride we are not fool as you metioned ,if we are we will not be flying A340 ,
we as captains should defend those poor guyes whome the company taking them as fools , acually some of them now trying to forgive themselvs of the mistakes and they did in Jjordan aviation and belive me the are lucky that they are alive ,,,,,,,,,,

fly safe , thanks

PosClimb

22nd September 2007, 01:46

So how much do FO's have to pay Jordan Aviation now to work for them.

tarik123

22nd September 2007, 11:31

Jordan aviation is great for new CPL pilots, as they will be able to fly
big jets and accumulate jet hours needed, and I personally know
so many young pilots that got jobs with major airlines in the region
thanks to initial Jordan Aviation hours.

It must be great to have an Oxford CPL/IR, but the B737/300 rating was
acquired from the Congo, and as far as I know and I might be wrong, Congo
do not have any B737/300 training centers!!!

As for duty time limitations, I think the crew should be responsible
and never accept to break any rules, that goes too for technical
problems and any exceeding of weight limitations, after all it is their
lives and licences that are being jeopardized.

chrislikesblue

22nd September 2007, 20:12

Can someone help with their recruitment contact?
Many thanks.

Syrian Aviator

24th September 2007, 15:39

I was in Amman few days ago and i had long wanted to check out this company; APSD is conducting Type rating + Line training for fresh pilots

They currently operate 2 A310 and not sure how many 733s in Alexandria are available but Mr. Maher of APSD advised the A310 is easier because the sim and aircrafts are in Amman

The TR + 250 hours on type costs you 100K USD, you pay 50% (can be divided into installments over the period of training) and the remainder will be deducted off your salary, you will have to sign bond of 5 years and if you leave any earlier; you must pay the balance of what you owe

License conversion is your responsibility and that could take up to 3 months along with security clearance, type rating on the A310 is available monthly and is conducted at Amman, this can also take up to 3 months\

Then its 3 - 4 months to complete the 250 hours line training

During this 9 - 10 months you will get NO PAY, NOTHING!

Then Jordan aviation will take you in as Junior FO; your pay will be 1000USD only and it will remain so until you accumulate 500 hours on type; then your pay goes up to 3750USD gross (deduct tax 250USD, Company bond 1250USD) so you end up with a couple of thousand dollars; that's all

The APSD GM explained further and further; eventually i worked it out to be working 5 years for free; ie: you save nothing but hours on A310; but all what you earn is going to equal what you spend on training and living (226000USD gross earning = 226000US expenses)

To me; and this is strictly my personal opinion; i am fed up with paying and paying and paying endlessly; i am flying a nice EFIS turbo-prop at the moment and 3400+ hours in my logbook; not so much flying; but the pay is going in anyways so i considered the Jordan Aviation deal some sort of a rip off; maybe its ok for new pilots but not for me

Thanks

PosClimb

25th September 2007, 04:10

Syrian,

How did they justify the $100,000 price tag?

A type rating on A310/737 is probably in the $12,000 range, give or take.

So that's about $88,000 profit the company makes off you, the employee.

Even by aviation standards this is a new low.

mick06

25th September 2007, 14:32

Sky-lord
,lets put things right away here .:ok:
I think pilots cant refuse any flight in JAV even its exceeding or snags are there , because at the end of the month their salary will not go to the bank and they will keep begging .the bold .
we have seen so many examples of all the people whome they left Jav did they get there money just think of yourself and your family does it worth it .
even 7500 , or your big example capt wathik ask him how much he suffers with all the money and bad treatment he had recently .

look now at the situation form wide view now we had engine failure on B737JAB on take off roll next what will happen ,

hope not

mick06

25th September 2007, 14:48

Ok its Great to have Uk CPL/IR or Uk ATPL ,:ok: 7500
but can you explain to me if your Rating B737-300 Congo . where did you do your type rating ?as far as I know congo doesnot have B737 simulators , how was it endorsed .
And how you make your currency every six months on simulators , as per Jordan Civil aviation your licence if its Validated as jordaninan you must have somebody from congo Civil aviation to renew it every six months correct me if I am wrong and observe you on Simulator ,
a lot of pilots worked in Jordan aviation From Romania Yamen Grees , they used to do thier Sim and have there licences renewed and come back to Amman and get there validation right :bored:

So better for you my freind to get your jordanian ATPL ASAP thats if your licence from congo of course ..........

mick06

28th September 2007, 17:09

well sky-lord
let me go now in public ,
Remember arbil flights ask your examples who much money they got for all the exceedance they did with duty time limitations and climb limit weight , :uhoh: you were there i think , how much kawa gave you to excced time limitatins , stop there my friend or I will go on , the worse thing is JAV operations kept there mouth shutt because they were making money .

take care if you have alternate you will not saty in JAV

tarik123

28th September 2007, 17:32

Can anybody give me the address of the Congo flight school that
give B737/300 ratings?

I know you need the flight hours, but not at the expense of safety,
it is not worth it.

I do not really think Jordan Aviation would do all what you accuse them
with, as far as I know Jordan Aviation is an IOSA airline.

mick06

4th October 2007, 13:54

tarik123
Acually i am not acusing any body , its a fact , yes we had IOSA that was done with a great captains ex RJ and now they left all , they all worked very hard those dayes , but i bet you know they will not get it because all our operations run with non airline pilots with ex airforce they know nothing about airline.
what concern us now , is the , duty time , maintanance above all those whome hold a none jordanian licences with validation , thier original one is not valid any more how come they renew thier simulator , so big question my friend ????????????

you better call 7500 he will give you the congo flying school for B737 , even they can endorse A330 with 100 $ , fee :uhoh:

nooo

13th February 2008, 19:25

are you sure about these informations

all119

15th February 2008, 22:34

They do there TR with JATS which is Jordan CAA approved and ICAO.
Bahrain air the new airline in bahrain is using JATS training center so i dont think its bad.
jordan aviation and is sister company APSD jordan have started this first officer program on A310 or B737-300.
I think it’s not worth for experience pilots with lots of turbo prop or jet hours.
But I think if you have a CPL/IR multi engine rating ATPL GS, and you dint get a job with an airline or any flying company and have been without a job for few years after completion of training then yes I will go for this job (working for free)
Its not a bad deal for pilots with low hours with no jobs.

PosClimb

16th February 2008, 06:20

But I think if you have a CPL/IR multi engine rating ATPL GS, and you dint get a job with an airline or any flying company and have been without a job for few years after completion of training then yes I will go for this job (working for free)
Its not a bad deal for pilots with low hours with no jobs.

You pay them $100,000 and work for free for a long time, then get Mickey Mouse wages for 5 years.

There is a worldwide pilot shortage so the rumor goes.. The days of pilots being exploited by the unscrupulous should be over.

What if the company goes bankrupt? Boom, you've just lost your money.

axialflow

16th February 2008, 06:59

man, these posts alone would discourage you from working with this airline. Sounds like petty arguments and minor issues are daily occurances!

Ax

flying_kardus

6th August 2008, 05:45

hi guys, newbie here. Does anyone knows jordan aviation? how's that company? i'm just getting information that they are opening for several position.

Joey Q

6th August 2008, 23:29

You mean Jordan Violation??

sorry I had too.. :)

BE95Driver

11th August 2008, 12:02

Hi every one,

I’m new here. I just got accepted to enter the APSD program to earn a type rating on B737-300. Then they guaranty hire with Jordan Aviation. This all sounds good. The only thing is that I have to come up with $25,000 and sign a 5yr contract and a $100,000 bond contract.... Has any one been through this program? Is it any good for a low time pilot???

411A

11th August 2008, 15:25

I’m new here. I just got accepted to enter the APSD program to earn a type rating on B737-300. Then they guaranty hire with Jordan Aviation. This all sounds good. The only thing is that I have to come up with $25,000 and sign a 5yr contract and a $100,000 bond contract.... Has any one been through this program? Is it any good for a low time pilot???

Now, I would be the first to admit that I know little about Jordan Aviation, other than the fact that I see their airplane(s) in JED from time to time, however....

Considering the above quote, I am reminded of the rather well known statement by PT Barnum...

"There is a sucker born every minute."

Joey Q

11th August 2008, 19:32

I would have to second 411A'a opinion here... The carrier is considered a joke around these parts.. and paying for typerating AND a 5 year BOND of $100 000.. Have some self respect!! Sure alot of LCC demand selfsponsored typeratings but only bonds u for 2 years. If you want to work in the middle east both QR and Gulfair seem to accept fresh from the academy without experience nor do they seem to need gulf nationality.. both options are way better even if u only get to fly as second officer..

scavalenger

15th August 2008, 14:26

I just got that offer from them too and after reading all post here, they are pretty stink!! Who would spend $100,000 for 737-300?? If you go to Eagle Jet International or Sim Centre in US, you can do type rating for $8500 for 737-400 or $12000 for A320..the cheapest is 737-200 for $5500..Then you can buy 500 hours for $15000 and they'll send you to new airlines in India...with type rating and 500 hrs on type, it is 90% gurantee you can get a job in good airlines and you start off with good $$$. Who would wanna work free for 5 years $100000 worth if can spend about $25000 and get a good paid job. My mate here in Australia did Sim Centre A320 type rating and time building program in US, after type rating while waiting for Indian licence validation to go to India for 500 hrs, he got hire in Tiger Airways, Australia base. I would consider something like this.

SamAustralia

17th August 2008, 17:13

Joey Q

19th August 2008, 20:08

I was born in middle east, made the move to AUS 11 years ago, my honest opinion about Jordan is that.. In Jordan its very easy to spent 1000 but hard to get $1 from them even if you have worked for it, DONT U EVER THINK OF living there, no customer service, taxi will rip you off no question and the list goes on and on. Not a good place to live for sure. Not to mention that if you walk with your wife in the poor part of Amman 100 men will look at her and want to eat her even if she is the ugliest woman ever..

Hahahahahh... True! and not true... Why would u want to go through the poor parts of amman?? just avoid it all togeter... nothing to see there anyway.. And I feel for u that your wife is the ugliest woman ever.. but I also have great respect for you that u still stick by her side.. kudos!

There are tones of worse places to live in... Taxis will rip you off in most countries in the world if you're not a native.. probably less so in amman then in the rest of the ME...

jmc08

21st August 2008, 19:30

Hi everyone!!they are calling me to fly the 767 and Really dont know what to do???If anyone have more information I will really apreciate
regards

BE95Driver

9th September 2008, 19:57

Hey jmc08, I’m curious to know what did you decide on doing???

CFM56-7B

6th October 2008, 02:16

I tought that Eaglejet was the rock bottom of the category but eventually we have a new winner!

Don't you respect yourself as pilots and as men even a little bit?

This is only for mindless rich kids. I'm disgusted from Eaglejet too but it still makes some sense in its perverted logic... but this Jordan one!

Being an airline pilot is a nice cool job but is not the best thing you can do with your life if you are so crazy and made of money to even consider this s***t!

You are willing to fly to some of the most dangerous areas of the world paying the money that a regular guys makes in years, to be a prick F/O in some (allegedly) piece of crap 737?!

And you are also totally f***ing the market. Once they reach the final number of crews they need, why not to fire those that they are paying and hiring some new PPs (paying pilots - or paying pricks?). This s***t is coming also to Europe thanks to Eaglejet!

Really, play the stock market with that money, expecially right now. It would be far less risky and would look much more like a real job. You would even have some chance the gain something from it. Something that you would never have with this kind of fake pilot job!

holyflurkingschmitt

7th October 2008, 15:29

JMC

Did you take the job offer on the 767?
I have been offered a F/O position on the 767 and am considering going.
I'm already TR and have time on type.
Has anyone already started on the 767 got any feedback?

HFS:ok:

mavrik777

29th October 2008, 21:48

who would be smart enough to sign 100.000 usd as a bond for 5 years this means u have to comply with any order given to u otherwise u wanna leave u pay:confused:

mavrik777

29th October 2008, 21:51

think a million time b4 considering any offer:=

PosClimb

30th October 2008, 11:16

So you have to pay them $50,000 cash, and have $50,000 deducted from your meager salary.

What happens if the company goes bust?

Do you get your $50,000 back?

Also, what happens when another pilot signs up whose willing to give them another $50,000?

Very, very, very risky.

And if they're this cheap with the pilots, you can only imagine what's going on in the maintenance department.

z-e-d

11th November 2008, 06:40

Hello, does anybody here who works for Jordan Aviation?

long-gonner

30th November 2008, 04:32

Hi to all. Just looking for current information on this company and life in Amman. What is the flying like on the A320? Is there any chance of upgrade to PIC? What's expat life like Amman? Thank you for any new information....

PAMPA2000

30th November 2008, 19:10

I just got an email from Jordan Aviation (767), however I am a A320 Capt in the US, (should say, "was"), UNEMPLOYED!!, I don't nee to build time, but I do need a job ASAP. (mortgage/Bills!!).
Have not been offer anything yet, but would like to educate myself in order to know if I should pursue it, and not let them take advantage of my situation.
Any comments?, advises?, specially someone working there as A320 Capt.
So far what I read in the comments even going all the way back to 2005, it sucks!.
Thanks in advance.

I also applied to Gulf Air, but I seem to have a problem uploaing my personal docs, they have a very limited KB for them, wrote to their help desk, but might as well forget about it, no one responds.
Any one knows an email for their hr/pilot recruitment, (other then the website)?

Akitakona

16th January 2010, 15:28

Yes I have... run as fast as you can away from these people! I know a lot of us are desperate, but in the end you will lose with these people. They are not honest! Why else do they need you right away even though they are parking airplanes.... people are leaving and as fast as they can. Protect your lic. and stay away from them.

Akitakona

16th January 2010, 15:33

They are dishonest and fly illegally. That is why they always need new guys in an economy that doesn't! Get the picture?

Samiadam

16th February 2010, 05:29

Hello All,

Wake up big managers. Look what you have done. Many initial FOs who you have took 110 K are still sitting at home. No plans, No communications, No salaries. Shrinking Fleet. I personally passed and took the right decision in moving to Royal Jordanian and good luck to all of you in gaining your 500 hrs in about 5 years.

Sam

buttonpusher

1st March 2010, 22:26

Hi guys,

Any of you who work for RJ can you tell me please if it is an FAA ATP you need or will a JAA ATPL do?

Cheers.

Samiadam

13th April 2010, 04:32

Can anybody confirm that the B737s entering service next month are of NG type.

cheers

SAM

jordanian pilot

16th January 2011, 13:59

to join royal jordanian company you have to pass the DLR exam and no flight time required

jordanian pilot

16th January 2011, 14:14

i will join the Jordan Aviation !!!! because no options and i will pay them the 110k 25+25 + 60 from my salary just to start with them after you pass the 100h or 200h no matter what's gonna happen after that! because you find your self stared your career does it make sense

NZ X man

18th January 2011, 20:06

I would sit down and take a deep breath mate, and think about it, sooner than later, the economy will improve and you will not have to sign up to something so bad that you WILL REGRET later.

Cheers

Syrian Aviator

19th January 2011, 17:46

I will announce you officially MAD if you do such thing! Please have some common sense, and for what? to fly -300! give me a break man!

flylion

21st February 2011, 08:54

To all potential joiners for JAV...

I can only very strongly recommend NOT to join, whatever conditions are offered, whatever conditions are promised!

I worked with them for 2 yrs and still have money to get.

Even for initios there are better (and cheaper- if you could say so) offers available, pls do not support JAV or its "training facilities".

B737CL

28th February 2011, 12:43

oh yes ,i worked for them also 2years still waiting for my money.
dont believe them.

B737CL

28th February 2011, 13:01

be ready for LOW ALTITUDE FLIGHTS VFR 4000 ft with a`Boeing737300 in Iraq.
no ILS no NDB nothing.

Rubis

3rd March 2011, 04:15

Myself, as well as every former JATE pilot I know, has never recieved the full compensation per contract. When presented with a contract that contained a $20k USD bond through a third company, I asked if the "BIG GUY" would agree to the same bond for JATE if they were late in paying me the full amount of my salary on time.

The guy "BIG GUY" went off his rocker. I left and never looked back. Smart move.

IN BOX

13th March 2011, 22:55

Pay this amount for how many hours of flight:hmm:

StoneColdCloggie

1st May 2011, 18:20

Just like to warn colleagues again as Jordan Aviation seems to be trying to fill their gaps again.

Flying for these criminals mean putting you life and good reputation at risk, a part from your financial situation.

Should decide on the training program, look a bit further. If you really want to spend that money, spend half and get double elsewhere.