June Yao Airlines

[locopiloto]

Hi there! Anybody on board who works for June Yao Airlines? I have an interview pending with them, and I am looking for the general attitude within the company, the QoL, and how they are to work for as a pilot. Any info from JuneYao employees, especially expat contract employees would be helpful. Thanks! -locopiloto

[UALSIC]

Anybody heard of JuneYao airlines?
All the basic info needed........base..........work schedule........etc.

Thanks in advance........

[UALSIC]

Not all at once now...........lol :ugh:

[typhoonpilot]

Here ya go:

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Typhoonpilot

[UALSIC]

Wow - where does it have comments on quality of life.......usual schedules etc..........

Anybody can google..........you just proved it :D

[typhoonpilot]

Well, by looking at their route structure one would be based out of Shanghai Hong Qiao airport. Shanghai probably offers some of the best QOL in China.

It's a domestic airline flying primarily north/south routings out of Shanghai.

Yes, a lot of people know how to Google, but apparently not a lot know how to read the information they Google to help answer their questions.


TP

[kwaiyai]

I heard pay is 14k USD per month for A320 Captain.
Base is Shanghai.
I also was told by someone joining that you carry an interpretor:confused: in the cockpit, Sounds a bit far fetched but the pay is correct I understand.
There is an earlier thread on this Company.
Regards,

[UALSIC]

You must be a JOY to work with. You are a SCHOLAR among men. :ok:

[UALSIC]

kwaiyai.........thank you sir........that is along the lines of info that I was looking for :p

[Fareastdriver]

Look at the bottom of this page. There is a block titled -Similar Threads-.

[UALSIC]

Yep........thanks.

Just wanted to know what the latest was - things change rapidy. :}

[JotaJota]

Loco, same here... Expats heading that way for interviews next month. There are 3 of us going so any info will be greatly appreciated.

Sim profile, board interview?, medical, Eng test if eng proficient on cert? Any and I mean ANY info will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot...

[DrahNa]

What's their minimun requirements?

Thanks

[JotaJota]

Hope this helps...

Description
Position A320 Captain
Work Place Shanghai, China
Service Contract Duration 24 month assignment, renewable thereafter

Flight Experience Requirement
Total time: 3000 hrs
PIC on type: 600 hrs

Requirements
Must be citizen of ICAO country with diplomatic relationship with R.P. China.
Preferably age under 55 years.
Experience in flying international route as PIC is required
Must hold a current and valid ICAO ATPL with current type rating A320 or equivalent.
Hold a valid First Class medical certificate issued by ICAO member state.
No record of flight accident or incident.
No criminal record.
Fluent in English

[JotaJota]

Anyone has any info?

Thanks...

[wxyz]

"I heard pay is 14k USD per month for A320 Captain.
Base is Shanghai.
I also was told by someone joining that you carry an interpretorhttp://static.pprune.org/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif in the cockpit, Sounds a bit far fetched but the pay is correct I understand"



Pay rate is accurate and flying with an interpretor is accurate. I went for an interview in June and both checkairmen could not speak english. Very few FO's speak any english and are low time to boot. A "high time" FO is 2000-2500 total.

[DrahNa]

Do you guys know if 1300 hrs total time could make the cut for an FO position?

THanks

[UALSIC]

Didn't know they were advertising for FOs.......

From what I hear it is for Captains only - I could be wrong though. I am just going on what a contract company has told me.

[MaintainYourHeading]

JuneYao is currently not hiring any F/Os, unless you are ready to fly their planes, that is with a CAAC licence and time on A320 with chinese type rating. If you have all that then you may have a chance. I already tried and unfortunately it didn't work out. Lots of my co-workers being here in China too tried as well and had the same answer, even with the best contacts within the company. But again, if you never try you will never have an opportunity, so... you might want to try anyways, worse that can happen is a "no".

best of luck...

[hassan81]

I'm in YRZ in Shanghai.And my agency websita can show some information about Juneyao. It's www.asiaaviation.net(ASSA (http://www.asiaaviation.net(ASSA)).

They recently announced new payment condition via an agency.

Hope this helps :O

[a320china]

I was supposed to go for interview with Juneyao on October 26th but it has been cancelled because they can't book the ATPL, this is what my agency says anyway. Has this happened to anyone else?

[JotaJota]

All the time. Huge issue here as the exam slots are very limited!!! Only one place in PEK for the written. Kinda extreme and archaic if you as me, but that's how things are done here!

[NEDude]

Working on a November eval slot with them. I also have an interview in Qatar in November. Any more input on the eval process?

[JotaJota]

NED... You cactus?

[NEDude]

No, USA 3000.

[a320china]

Hey Ned - what dates have you got for November? Which agency did you use?

[hassan81]

He is taking eval From 27th Oct to 3rd Nov for Juneyao.
His agency is ASSA. Heard Juneyao guys give a chance to only a few agency. :hmm:
You'd better ask to your agency.

[juneyao320capt]

I would be very cautious about joining JuneYao Airlines. There are about ten foreign pilots at JuneYao and most have encountered several serious problems with the airline.

1. About every three to four months, they will be late with the pay. In order to be paid, 6-8 leaders must sign off . If one is away on business or simply believes you don’t deserve to be paid, you will be waiting to receive the wire. One guy waited almost a month for his pay.

2. Days off have also been a serious issue. As they are severely short of Captains, they will deny your leave request and try to keep you here against the contract. In some cases, they have offered to a buy owed days at a very generous rate. Unfortunately, every pilot who agreed to sell his days was later told the company decided not to honor the agreement. A few guys were owed 60+ days and when the payday arrived the company denied ever making the deal then denied further days off.

3. Communication with the company is very difficult. AOC (dispatch) will not speak to a foreign Captain if anything out of the ordinary happens. They will only speak to the first officer. Even if you call them directly, they will refuse to discuss the issue directly with you and will request to speak with the first officer. Often, they will call the F/O directly and make changes and neither one will consult the Captain. It’s only when the fuel, cargo, or passengers are loaded will you know there has been a change made to the dispatch release. When you query the F/O they will you know about the change. Some F/O’s are obviously better than others about keeping you informed but you must remind them over and over again about keeping the Captain in the loop.

4. Scheduling at the company is yet another problem. It’s not uncommon to schedule a two pilot crew a 16-hour duty day. They consider any break in the day “rest” which will stop the duty day clock. One trip departs 0605 for a two-hour trip. The crew arrives in Shanghai about 9 then goes home for 6 hours. You then return about 3 pm to fly two legs totalling 5.5 hours. This puts you back in Shanghai about 2100-2200 if there aren’t any delays.


You will work 4 days on then almost two days off. The first two days will start a 0600 or so and the last two days will be late. You often finish day four at 0200 (on the morning of your fifth day). I find it hard to get into a routine.

5. Any issues flying will result in punishment (loss of pay). A lightning strike will result in you being grounded for the rest of the month with a loss of pay. Same for hard landings (even if it’s the F/O’s fault), and there has been talk of punishment for bird strikes.

6 JuneYao has refused to pay every single pilot who has left the company. Some have only lost their last month’s pay, but several were owed two months or more. One guy left with JuneYao owing him over $60000 (vacation days bought back by the company which weren’t paid).

Don’t take my word………If you are thinking about joining JuneYao, I would highly recommend speaking with as many of the pilots working here as possible to gain a clear understanding of how the company operates. Your agent should be able to provide the phone number of a few guys here. Talk to them. Just remember, the agent will probably give you the number of a guy who has the least problems with the company. Ask that pilot to give you the number of at least two other pilots. All the foreign guys here are friendly and will be happy to tell you if things have improved or if it’s business as usual.

One last warning! If you decide to join anyway, you also need to be very cautious about working with VOR Holdings. I am fortunate enough not to be with them but every guy here has had serious issues dealing with that agent. This is third hand, so take it for what it’s worth but make sure you talk to one of the pilots placed through VOR Holdings. I’m sure they will tell you of the horror stories dealing with Ted once onboard. This is current as of Nov 2011. Things change so do your homework and talk with the guys working there.



Good luck and be careful!

[hongkongfooey]

I would back what Juneyao captain has said, 100% ! and that goes for pretty much any chinese airline, they could'nt lie straight on a slab of granite :mad:

Just don't get on here in 6 months whining about the conditions that were nowhere near what you were told...............you've been warned.

[CFM_56]

Hi JuneYao Captain


It was great that I came across your posting. I was toying with the idea of leaving my current job in southern China to move to the A320 and make 17G a month. But after reading what you had to say, I realized my company isn't so bad afterall.


Cheers
CFM

[CpNikos]

I have the same question my friend, If you find anything concerning Juneyao, let me know!
thank you!

[khadinorte]

I have an interview with them and I do not know what to do...would you give me any advise about a nice airline to apply?

Thanks...

[mnboater]

Wake up before you crash! They say in a dream if you hit the ground before you wake up, you will die!yikes...

[Colocolo]

Khadinorte: check your PMs

[pezetaroi]

Damn... are all chinese airlines the same? I'm considering applying to one, obviously, I'm there for the money. Is it worth it?

[pezetaroi]

By the way, a good friend of mine attended the screening they held in Mexico City, about a month or two ago. He told me, "that was more than enough to get to know them in order to decide to remain in Mexico..." truth is, these guys will have a hard time recruiting flyboys...

[JotaJota]

Yep.... At the moment, avoid China...

They might get their $hit together in the future... CAAC, the "party" And the $$$. Right now... Nope...

3 years ago they had the CAAC and the PEK Gov in their hands... Once again Politics are preventing the acquisition of qualified candidates... Take a break!

TIC!

[chuleyes]

I read a lot of $$hit about Juneyao and VOR. But I am starting to get desperate. Does anyone actually have a contract with them ? Any thing on the contract I can ask to be changed ? Thanks for the help.

[USMCProbe]

There are far better (or less bad) combinations of China jobs/contract agencies than VOR/June Yao. Why would you choose to join the worst? Shenzhen just raised their pay, Spring is similar, in the same city. I haven't heard a bad word about Sichuan Air for a long time. Why would you choose June Yao?

[Mercenario]

I just hear one of the latest news from JuneYao. One of the brand new pilots from Mexico, that just join them like 3 months ago, JuneYao already has stopped paying him for no reason. They are blaming him that he went home for three weeks and even that they had approved him to go home, now they said that it was a mistake, that they approved him to go home and now they stopped paying him.
That is always the way they play here. If you all want to come to be in the same boat with all this problems, is up to you all. My advise is that there are a lot more better companies here in China, where you don't have to deal with this kind of problems. Yes they offering a lot of money now $17K, but they don't tell you when they can stop paying you. For those that want to go to JuneYao, don't do it. They will promess every thing before you sign the contract, but then you are in their hands. They make you work 16hrs per day or more for 5 hrs flying. Actually the new contract is Sucks!!! They want to make you work as a Chinese pilot, until you die. The old contract was better (120 days off plus 8 sick days) and that's why they are not offering it anymore. They said that they had gotten a lot of foreign pilots to come to work here, but we haven't seen any. No body want to take their new contract. :ugh:

[Fullcartache]

Anyone actually flying fot Juneyao could attest of all this ?
I need to make a decision whether to go or not soon...
Many thks

[Spicy McChicken]

USMCProbe is right
Why would anyone work (or even consider working) for this airline?!

Living in China isnt easy, and this airline just changed the contract from a 6 weeks on / 2 weeks off contract to a non-commuting 40 day one.

Like Mercenario said, you WILL do 16 hour days. Flight time limitations are almost non-existant in China. You need that leave when it comes. 6/2 and 6/3 are the usual minimum standard in Asia commuting contracts. Why accept less?

[Fullcartache]

It really depends if your looking for a commuting contract or not...
If you dont and your ready to live in Shanghai for a while its different.
I am still looking for someone actually working for them before I make my decision...
Thanks

[Fair.Pilot]

Hi guys,

what's the market rate for A330 Captain in China? (6/2 or whatever available package)

Thank you.

[crjo]

As some of you might know, Air France is considering letting some of their pilots go for 2 to 3 years before re-hiring them with no loss of seniority in order to try and deal with their over-staff problems without having to fire anyone...
One of the ideas is to set them up as 320 Captains with JuneYao...

So, can anyone give me the real story as updated as possible on working for them as an expat ?

Either by PM or a reply on this forum ?

Thanks !

[aldo911]

Hi guys,
keep your eyes wide open with this airline and in general with agencies like Smile-aviation.
My experience with them is absolutely negative.
I passed the assessment in Madrid on May 2012 and went to Shanghai on June for medical. Smile-Aviation informed me just 2 days before departure that I had to go to Nanjing also for the ATPL written test. They just gave me old material for exam preparation so in 2 days I (and most of the colleagues) failed the exam.
Regarding the medical I had a bad impression of Smile Aviation. Poor assistance and wrong informations. Doctors requested for me further exams (I had to pay cash for those extra) so I came back on August to complete the medical and ATPL. I passed the written test in Nanjing and went back home, waiting for the results of medical. After more than one month I emailed Smile-Aviation for info and they told me that I did not pass the medical. I asked the reason for that and they told me that "no one is entitled to know the reason of the refusal and no document is signed by the doctors regarding the diagnosys". Furthermore, the Airline do not want to send to me the certificate of ATPL written test so, if I want to apply with another airline in China I have to go again thru another exam!
The reason of this is that Juneyao decided to refuse captains over 50. I had started the assessment before this decision so they found an easy solution for me.
A lot of time, energies and money lost with Juneyao and Smile-Aviation!
My suggestion is to keep in consideration only serious agencies like VOR Holding and try assessment only with good airlines (example: Spring).
Juneyao will change conditions and rules every time they need, no matter about contract.
Take care and good luck!

[Fullcartache]

Ok thanks for info but from what I undestand its more a problem of medical and agency:uhoh:
What does that have to do with Juneyao ?
I dont want to defend the airline blindly but it would be nice to have some real info from people actually flying for Juneyao
Thks for ur messages
FC

[kwaiyai]

Read what Mercenario and Juneyao capt wrote, Nothing to do with Juneyao? Not paying etc is everything to do with it. I do know someone there and has been for a while and says its OK and flying easy etc etc. If it helps I wasn't to keen though either.

[Jetdriver727]

I was contacted by Aeroprofessionals today about a position at June Yao. Im not A320 typed but 744 TRI and LCA..I've read all the above info, does anyone have any experience with Aero? Thanks :ok:

[JumpX3]

Got some friends who have had a decent amount of experience with aeropro.
They are definitely worth a stab, medium sized company quite reliable to get the job done.

[USMCProbe]

JumpX3

I have never met a contract pilot with Aeropro, but I haven't been everywhere. I was in China and have met zero. How many pilots do they have in China?

[JumpX3]

Hard to say really, I registered with them but have no desire to go to China this exact minute since I've got a pretty stable contract.
2 of my friends applied for China through them, one came back from the medical very recently for Spring and the other one is applying for Air China and June Yao both through them.
I did a bit of research and know they have contractors all over Europe and the middle east.

As far as China couldn't tell you if they have anybody working there. From what I can tell I believe they picked up the contract some time in the Summer. Typically due to the fact that the Chinese have given their selection such a high failure rate, they are moaning that they can't find enough people and hired some more agencies to find them.

Best of luck for your medical btw USMC, what agency are you going through this time?

[USMCProbe]

I am still with Parc and highly recommend them. For China, Wasinc is also good, and in some ways the best. They have a lot of experience in China with a lot of airlines and know the hiring process arguably the best. There are so many ways to fail the hiring process, it is much better to go with an agency that has a history of success. There are lots of fly by night websites in China trying to be recruiters.