About CEBPAC pilot requirements ?

[pablo2973]

HI EVERYONE , I WONDER IF ANY OF YOU, KNOWING ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CARRIER ,WHICH ARE AVAILABLE IN THEIR WEB PAGE , ARE THEY REALLY THAT STRICT ? :

Qualifications:
Male / Female
Must have at least 1,500 flying time
Must have a Philippine commercial pilot license with instrument
Must have a radio license
Must have at least 2nd class medical license
Must be a Filipino citizen / holder of Philippine passport
THE QUESTION IS , I DONT HAVE PHILIPPINE PASSPORT, OR THE EXPERIENCE THEY WANT , ANY IDEA IF THEY ARE FLEXIBLE ON THEIR REQUIREMENTS ?,I HAVE THOUGH JAA ATR 42/72 TYPE RATING .
I HEARD NOT VERY GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE COMPANY BUT I HAVE NO JOB SO UNDERSTAND MY SITUATION :ugh:.
THANK YOU ALL.

[SlamBam]

The experience requirement you listed is for A320 applicants. The TT requirement for the ATR is lower, around 500 hours (I think) for first officers.

But yes, they are strict with the Philippine passport requirement. Applicants are required to submit photocopies before the initial screening interview. They do accept applicants with dual citizenship however.

It seems the flight deck crew are generally happy with the airline. Unfortunately, the passengers are not. 5J has been plagued lately with a spotty on-time performance record and a reputation for mediocre customer service.

It doesn't seem to be improving, nor does the top brass seem to be doing anything about it. In this regard, chairman LG is like a deer caught in the headlights.

[ww1]

For a start, maybe you could stop yelling...

[flyboylipad]

Pablo are you Filipino?

[JolibeeFlyer]

Any idea of what the interview process is like for the ATR candidates? What the process is and what is expected from any sim rides?

Also, I would like to know how long Cebu Pacific takes to make a call after submitting a resume/cv? Is it like PAL which takes 3 months?

[SlamBam]

Depends on what the need is. Someone I know got the call after only a couple of weeks, but he was in the same batch as some other guys who'd been waiting for a couple of months already.

There was a time when they didn't require a sim evaluation, but that's now changed. The latest batch of A320 applicants will now need to show what they can do in the sim.

The evaluation ride will be in the A320 sim over at Clark, which is always breaking down. Not sure what the syllabus is, but I hear it won't be anything as exotic as, say, an engine out drill. After all, they don't expect the applicants to know how to fly the Bus yet.

Can't say if they also require this for the ATR applicants.

If you have 3,000 hours TT, an ATPL, a Philippine passport and a good attitude, 5J will even show you the left seat of an ATR. They really need them captains.

[athroffapoff]

i heard from one of the sim instructors, its simply to check how the applicants react/follow FD orders... also, shoot an ils on raw data... goes true perhaps for airbus pilot applicants.

[Eight Ball]

As athrofapoff said, the sim check is following raw ILS data and FD commands. The last sim check I know for both Captain and F/O's for the ATR were done in the A320 level D sim at Clark Av in Pampanga.

Following the FD is not that difficult, it's the raw data that's a bit of a challenge especially if you're not used to the sim but doable. Just remember the A320 has an auto trim so be gentle on the side stick and correct with small changes.

I thought CebuPac was at one stage interested in hiring the ALSIM. I guess to be used for evaluating candidates.

Goodluck to everyone.

cheers

[SlamBam]

Once you're over the sensitivity of the sidestick, flying an ILS on the 320, even on raw data, should be a piece of cake.

I take it autothrust is engaged for the evaluation sessions?

[jens40202]

Hello All:

Would it help an old geezer who meets mininimums to type rate in the ATR or Dash8 for a t-prop job with Ceb or PAL?

If I do get a TR, would that negate bonding and whats the impact on entry salary?

[jester_icarus]

Type rating is very expensive on an ATR, in fact its more than an AB. If you have 3000 plus and you are able to obtain an RP Passport you are most definitely most wanted by both companies.

To best answer the rest of your questions, its best to direct those questions to the Chief Pilot of the ATR itself. Only he alone can give you a definite answer. At least for Cebu Pac.

Email the recruiting address for CebuPAc which is listed on their website and put attention to Chief Pilot for the ATR.

....or better yet just send in your resume and dont forget to put Att: ATR Chief Pilot.

Good Luck

[jens40202]

Thanks for the quick reply, Icarus.

Unfortunately, I dont have 3000hrs. Diverted back to an engineering job in 1998 when Asia went tits up with only 400TT and now wanting to go back flying. Guess, I'l need to build up again.

[jester_icarus]

..the minimum as an FO for the ATR is 500 but the most important thing is to current. Flying instrument is something you dont want stop and then restart..in a few years. Rusty scanning.

However, get to 500 as this will get you an interview on the right seat.

..who u calling an old gizzer.. im 42

good luck..

[JolibeeFlyer]

With 1100 hours CebuPac ATR here I come, God Willing a:O

[jens40202]

Thanks again, Icarus.

I just put in my papers to ATO and picking up the books again. I know what you're saying about the rusty scanning but a few dozen hours hood time should fix that.

Amazing how many jobs there are right now compared to where it was 10 years ago. Those shiny ATR's and Q400's at Mactan surely woke my interest.

[jens40202]

Thanks again, Icarus.

I just put in my papers to ATO and picking up the books again. I know what you're saying about the rusty scanning but a few dozen hours hood time should fix that.

Amazing how many jobs there are right now compared to where it was 10 years ago. Those shiny ATR's and Q400's at Mactan surely woke my interest.

[jumpdrive]

hello

does anyone know the pay for ATR & AIRBUS skippers ins U$D ?

thanks

[jens40202]

Just played a round of golf at Mactan next to the airport and saw an ATR followed by a Q400 taking off. Man, they look good! Amazing how fast the Q400 climbs out, indeed near jet speeds.

OK, I'm definitely going back into the game!

[jester_icarus]

no specific amount but the pay for the captain has just been raised. i believe its more than the competitor. quote "this will make it more attractive".

im guessing this is way to attract "skippers for the ATR.

hint... its competative to a similar captain on a similar aircraft in the regionals in the US..

[jester_icarus]

honestly....?.. i cant remember.

the only thing that i remember was the huge smile on my face!!!!!!!

like that fat kid in wally wonka and the chocolate factory...

good luck....

[SlamBam]

Just be sure you know how to interpret the approach chart and brief it properly. You should know how to do this with whatever chart the instructor decides to give you. Don't practice only on Manila, you just might get something else.

[powerstall]

regarding the sim check during the approach, are you asked to brief the PNF? :confused:

[jens40202]

If Icarus is correct on the new ATR rates (i.e. ...based on US regionals...) man, that would be a good local rate.

Looking at the number of new planes vs. the pool of local commercial pilots, seems to be a big shortfall. Better local conditions and dwindling expat deals in India and elsewhere - does that mean a lot of pilots will be going back home?

[jester_icarus]

YES IT IS....should not hear one complaint from anyone. of course its inevitable that someone will..ie working too much (but you'll get paid extra), overnighting too much (then work for McDonalds), not enough days off (then dont work).

"keep the blue side up"

[jumpdrive]

could you just stop the blabling

& say the salary ?

why the wierd talking about .........comapred to regionals in the states!!!!

wtf

in the states theres thousands of salaries to start with within regionals
year 1 , year 2 , probation period & so on

dont come just mouthing something you most certainly now but
end up not saying

dont type anything


your not helping

[jens40202]

Jumpdrive:

You're funny, man. In half the time it took to type your last reply you could have googled for the answer. Cheers!

[EECEPR]

5J pays well and probably more than US regionals. An FO can kae 2-2.5K per month and a Captain 3.5 -4 (and yes it IS legal to have foreign pilots in the Phil). This in Pesos is dam good money in manila and even better in the province. In the USA you make whole lot less and the cost of living is huge. But human nature is to complain. With the fuel price we all must be quiet and pray we keep our jobs as many airlines will retrench many pilots - so here we go again another feast or famine cycle.

[JolibeeFlyer]

Went ahead and submitted my Resume to Cebu Pacific. Any other advice from the wise as the next step tp becoming part of the next great airline in the Philippines?

Any advice would be very much appreciated. Currently flying in the states but have all documents. Pretty muchwilling to fly for food cause US Regionals are begining to throw the axe around.

[westie]

Does anyone actually have an idea how much they pay for a 320 skipper? Be nice to have a rough idea.

[Adobo]

Hey Jolibee, any word back yet?

[DeratedThrust]

Initial interview is conducted by at least one (the ATR Chief) and another one from either flight ops or HR. Very simple. They go through your resume/credentials and verify certain details within it. Basic questions pertaining to your level of experience will be asked. In other words, if you are a CME-Instr certified, anything is fair game within the Practical test Standards and knowledge bank. If your resume says who your experience really is, then they would know just by your replies... Additionally, they might ask you of your expectations with regard to the 5J work environment, conditions of employment, and the like. So all your 'burning' questions may be laid down here.. But please do remember to be very courteous and respectful. They need pilots like you, but will not hesitate to turn-down or not call back those who may display (or have the potential) 'questionable' personalities...No matter how experienced you are. 5J is a growing organization. It aims to maintain the highest possible cultural standards within the work place. Candidates must be able to adapt to airline environment and culture. Its a lot of work, but very rewarding. Lots of opportunities.

Captain requirements (basic): 3000hrs total, 1500hrs min command, turboprop command a plus. ATPL , etc...

First Officer: MAY be as low as 500 hours total. (depending on history of recent experience) CPL-Intr rated. Turbo-prop time a plus.. etc..

What I've quoted above is just basic or minimum, and are close assumptions. If successful with initial interview, next step may be an eval ride on the simulator (so brush up on raw data!) ... so on and so forth..

I hope this helps a bit.

[yano]

Did the second batch of ATR arrived yet?

I've talked to an applicant who already passed the interview and sim, but still waiting for CEB PAC's call.:bored:

[puliszaido]

3rd ATR will be coming in September.

It's a long wait even if you passed the sim ride. looks like 5J is taking their time in recruiting pilots.

[DeratedThrust]

Yes, the waiting list is long. 5J still processing internal upgrades for the ATR. Bangkok and Kuala slots are limited per class. One batch takes 40-45 days to train abroad, PLUS the IOE and transition period when back here on the line. Others 'MIGHT' expect to be given more definite training updates mid-August . If someone has heard otherwise than just feel free to correct this post. Batch now in BKK to return second week Aug. Next batch leaving immediately after that. Good luck y'all!! I hope the wait ain't too long..

[jester_icarus]

next class should be Aug 18.. recruiting still going strong...yup one class in bkk and the other in malaysia.. good luck to you guys..

[powerstall]

Yes, the waiting list is long. 5J still processing internal upgrades for the ATR. Bangkok and Kuala slots are limited per class. One batch takes 40-45 days to train abroad, PLUS the IOE and transition period when back here on the line. Others 'MIGHT' expect to be given more definite training updates mid-August . If someone has heard otherwise than just feel free to correct this post. Batch now in BKK to return second week Aug. Next batch leaving immediately after that. Good luck y'all!! I hope the wait ain't too long..

internal upgrades? from the AIRBUS fleet to ATR skippers? or from the ATR F/O's?

:ok:

[JolibeeFlyer]

Well, either way, wherever the upgrades are coming from it should could help make room for me:}

[JolibeeFlyer]

You have to be a Philippine Citizen. I asked both PAL and Cebu Pacific and they require citizenship and passport.

[EECEPR]

Sorry but you do NOT have to be a prc citizen - 100% regs allow this. Please send your CV to the HR group at 5J. Not sure who told you that... Are you Captain - we need ATR captians bad.................Tell your frinds and family

[jens40202]

If you have Q400 time, try writing PAL as well. I heard that they are also starting to get critical on manning their T-props.

[jester_icarus]

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[JolibeeFlyer]

Well, from what I was told during my conversion process with ATO, the regulations do not stipulate the need to be a citizen or a visa holder to fly any Philippines registered aircraft, but to be employed was a different story.

With regards to employment, the DFA did state that any pilot wishing to fly in the Philippines with any flag carrier would need to have citizenship/passport holder or if the company was willing to sponsor the pilot for a working visa.

I was also told by Capt. Lim (SAVP FOD Philippine Airlines) that both would be required to be "Employed" at Philippine Airlines. I also made the same inquiry with Cebu Pacific HR and was first asked, because of my accent, if I was a Philippine Citizen and passport holder. Of course the answer was a yes!

Refer to Republic Act No. 9225, also known as the Citizenship Retention and Re-Acquisition Act of 2003. Under this act, I was able to attain dual citizenship under the "right of blood" philospohy. Since both my parenst were still Filipinos at the time of my birth in the sates, that automatically made me a Filipino citizen.

but currently, from my understanding to be employed you have to be a citizen but to fly you do not.

[jester_icarus]

i think most are just glad to have a job.......

[yano]

is cebpac still hiring entry level positions? (ATR F/O) ??

[x1alpha66]

How much are the MPL grads on IOE and OBS getting?

[flyboylipad]

Aaahhh the OLD Thread resurrected...!!

Good one 9Ball!

[Reedeye]

What old thread? The EXODUS? Happy times are here again? :confused:

[jester_icarus]

YANO

i didn't know there were such a thing as an entry level F/O positions, let alone in an ATR?

[King Midas]

Good day sirs,
does Cebu Pac hire Direct Entry Capts on Airbus? A friend told me that they might. I just want to hear first hand from Cebu Pac jocks.
My experience is 10,000hours TT, about 500 hours command only on light aircraft & cruise Capt (if it counts:confused:), currently Airbus 340 rated, had A330 time & A320 time(4000 hours, 6 years ago).
Im planning to repatriate soon.
Any advice gentlemen?
I'd be glad to help Cebu Pac.
Many thanks.
:)