SIA B747-400 and A-340 First Officers

[Gladiator]

If you are a First Officer on any aircraft certified for two-man crew (includes A-310 and B-777), or even worst on B747-400 and
A-340 and engage in 3-pilot operations (One Captain, 2 first officers), without an ATPL or a CPL without the ATPL written examinations, please note that according to,

Singapore ANO (Air Navigation Order) you are an illegal flight crew when outside Singapore airspace, you do not meet the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Authority) minimum safety standards.

There is no such thing as a grandfather clause in ICAO and or CAAS (Civil Aviation Authority Singapore). You have be lied to by SIA and CAAS.

You are a bootleg pilot.

[Kaptin M]

Grow up Gladiator.

[faheel]

He doesn't stop does he!!
Gladiator you need to get a life mate!
You are like a stalker with a woman you are infatuated with.
You need help son, go into therapy immediately.

[Whiskery]

Gladiator.

I don't think you or your dopey mate titan are pilots. You may be one of the same, I can't say for sure, but what I do know is:

Between the pair of you, your spelling and grammatical skills match that of a 7 year old. You would have found it impossible to comprehend the questions in the ATPL exams let alone answer them. Pilots are licenced.

Your obvious contempt of, and condescending responses to, anyone who disagrees with your argument is both pathetic and rude. Pilots are listeners and are well mannered.

Your unrelenting and tedious rhetoric condemning the politics of Singapore, the national Airline and their Prime Minister demonstrates your intolerance to cultural difference. No wonder you couldn't survive outside your own country for extended periods. Pilots are objective and impartial.

Your threads are always vague and incomplete.
Readers are left with such cliches as "stay tuned", "more to follow" ,"you will soon see why..." etc,. "Gladiator will talk...!" and "Titan feels like dancing..." Pilots just bloody DO IT!!

Your user names - from Roman & Greek origin. Both men of strength,wisdom and, of course, both the pugilist. Pilots don't fight,we fly.

What a joke this charade is.

My guess is a couple of law secretaries or university under-grads trying to see how much mileage they get out of a forum for aviators.

[titan]

Gladiator, does SIA still have any "N" registered aircraft? If the Singaporean CAAS won't act then maybe it will be up to the FAA. They have banned SIA before from using certain airports in the USA due to poor flying ability, maybe they would care to look into this one.

[hounddog high]

FAA, is not the all emcompassing authority which you seem to embrace a lot. They have their own internal problems and deficiency as well.

Interesting book titled "Flying Blind, Flying Safe" by Mary Schiavo, the former inspector general of the US Dept of Transport who spilled some beans on the FAA,who was once called the "Tomestone Agency".

[Gladiator]

There are no more 'N' registered aircraft in SIA fleet.

For the rest of you it does not matter if I can spell or if my grammer is not good.

This is a matter of air safety. The public has the right to know. There is no public accountability in Singapore.

The facts are reality. The first officers that I am refering to know who they are, SIA knows who they are and so does the CAAS.

Flying public be aware.

[Gladiator]

Singapore Air Navigation Order (sUBSIDIARY LEGISLATION)

Page 30, Memebers of flight crew licenses

19 (1) Subject to this paragraph, a person shall not act as a member of the flight crew of a Singapore aircraft unless he is the holder of an appropriate license granted or rendered valid under this order:

(8) Notwithstanding anything in this paragraph --
(a)the holder of a license granted or rendered valid under this Order being a license endorsed to the effect that the holder does not SATISFY IN FULL THE RELEVANT INTERNATIONAL STANDARD, SHALL NOT ACT AS A MEMBER OF THE FLIGHT CREW OF A SINGAPORE AIRCRAFT IN THE TERRITORY OF A CONTRACTING STATE OTHER THAN SINGAPORE.


ALPA-S Agreement

Part II -- General Terms and Conditions of Employment.

11. Scope of employment

(3) A pilot shall at all times during his service with the Company comply with all requirements of --

(a) written laws, including subsidiary legislation;
(b) the Government, any statutory board or competent authority

which may be necessary to qualify him to act in the capacity in which he is employed.


ONCE AGAIN I STAND MY GROUND SIA/CAAS ARE BOOTLEG OPERATIONS ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.

[Gladiator]

Kaptin M, Whiskery, faheel and anyone that wants to join in, do you have a copy of Singapore ANO, ALPA-S agreement and relevant International Standards (ICAO Annex 1 and 6)?

If you do let us compare notes, if not may be get some help from your mates at SIA.

[Slasher]

Gladiator its not so much what you say that gets up peoples nostrils, its the way you say it. !!!!! it even annoys me!

Now heres how I would rephrase your original statement:

"Under Singapore ANO it might be that ICAO minimum safety standards are possibly being encroached.

To my understanding those FOs without an ATPL, or a CPL without the ATPL writtens, might be deemed as "illegal" flight crew when outside Singapore airspace. I believe a few FOs would fit this category.

Is SIA and CAAS aware of this? Would anyone have any facts that could back up my contention? Thanks."

NOW Gladys you would at least then have something meriting discussion, without all the bootlegging and namecalling.

[Kaptin M]

Gladys, you've somehow conveniently omitted sub paras 19 (2) thru' 19 (7) inclusive...

...but that aside, you really are fighting an already lost cause.

Use your energies more constructively, or are you so obsessed with SQ, that blind hatred has taken control??

[Seaman Staines]

KM
Your last 3 lines says it all.

[Gladiator]

Slasher thank you for arranging the words to the tune of kind and friendly. English is not my first language. Nevertheless the meaning is the same.

Sub-paragraphs not mentioned are not relevant but I will post them anyway later.

It does not matter if I have hatred in me or if I am mental or dead. The facts I am presenting remain to be facts. They will never change.

I am just bringing it to the attention of the public that SIA is:

Slasher's words: May kindly not meet minimum International Safety Standards.

My words: Is a bootleg operation.

p.s. Slasher, you are hired for PR.

[titan]

It seems there is no arguement. The law in Singapore is black and white. So, either SIA is in contravention of the law or, it is not.
Outside of Singapore there is no need, Slasher, to rephrase things to allow a face saving
Anyway, why is Gladiator getting up YOUR nostril, isnt it SIA that should be getting rattled?