Are you one of these?

[Jack57]

You sit in the cockpit bleating on about the company. You complain that NR is eroding your COS. You complain that ST is doing nothing to support the membership. You can't believe that certain pilots work G days and you have nothing good to say about B scale C&T's

You also find excuse after excuse not to be part of the union.

PLEASE - STOP COMPLAINING TO ME.

[Dragon69]

And you're making the assumption that the AoA is a union, which it is not! There are probably more hardcore union believers outside the AoA than inside. Most left the AoA after the members dumped the 49ers, others followed after clear violation of AoA rules by our past two presidents, and more will resign at the lack of action by the AoA. Just because you quietly pay a measly percentage of your salary to the AoA doesn't give you the sole right to complain.

[Five Green]

The AOA is what it is. Splitting hairs over what is and is not a union is a waste of everyone's time.

Making blanket statements about how many pilots did or did not do something, does not further your point of view at all. You are at best guessing and at worst misrepresenting your opinion.

Rather than make such un-helpfull statements why don't you get involved and make change from within ? There are plenty of ways to help the association out, ask about how you can help. If more people did that instead of whinging, we the pilot body as a whole would be better off.

As for the right to complain. Yes if you are in the AOA you have a say. If you are outside the AOA then you are letting us decide the way forward. So in that choice, you do not have the right to complain about how an organisation you choose not to be part of operates. You can complain all you like about how the company is treating it's work force because there lies the real problem.

FG

[Dragon69]

So in that choice, you do not have the right to complain about how an organisation you choose not to be part of operates


So let me get this right! Are you a member of the Chinese government? I suspect NOT! Do you complain about the air polution from China? I suspect YES!



If you are outside the AOA then you are letting us decide the way forward


Not completely correct! I follow contract compliance! No I don't work on G days, and No I haven't boosted my ego by joining the training department. Hence my actions, albeit limited, impacts the company. Therefore members and non-members alike decide the way forward to an extent!


Splitting hairs over what is and is not a union is a waste of everyone's time


I consider what is and what is not a union a fundemental issue, but that is my opinion.

[Beta Light]

You sit in the cockpit bleating on about the company

No, not really, but it would be my right as a member. I realized back in the summer of '01 that this union is toothless, no matter who the President. I also realized that if I thought there was camaraderie in aviation the spineless in CX sure proofed that not to be the case.

Don't use the AOA as an excuse for not being a member, look past the AOA, be a member of IFALPA. Be part of a professional body that look after us as a collective body of pilot's no matter your company or position. An organization that have our profession at heart at every level from airport design to cockpit ergonomics......... join the band of brothers.


To most non members it is about money......................proof me wrong, make a donation to the Sunnyside Club every month and I might respect you.

[Jaguar7777]

Couldnt agree more.

Just join - everyone can afford it and the increased numbers cant hurt...