Upgrades suspended in QR ?

[goatliner]

Dear Sirs,

seems like QR has suspended the command interviews.
Guys who are coming up did not start the pre-Interview scenario (assessment flights, pre-command course ) and the reason for that seems that the commands are put on a halt due to F/O shortage on the 330 and 320 fleet. Many flights already leaving with 2 captains in the seats.
Guys on the right hand seat are looking for greener pastures and a lot of guys are willing to leave for faster command somewhere in asia.

So after stopping right to left 330 they created another bottleneck. Wonder how they are going to respond.Management already thought about getting guys with no experience in the right hand seat and flying them as second officers but with "normal line captains".

Interesting how QR with their new management are going to respond to this development in the times after L.M. and A.J.

Regards

G.L.

[Sgnr de L'Atlantique]

What can I say? What can I say?


All I can see is that it does not look good at all, in any aspect!

Once more, the CEO is getting involved in Flight Ops decision making. In the past this has always lead to the wrong results!

Blocking FOs in the right seat will just aggravate the entire problem, as the experienced FOs will leave for greener pastures and fast track upgrades. As a result the seats will be filled with useless captains from god knows where ( just look at the relationship between the rising number of incidents on all fleets vs the number of low quality DEC intakes) and unexperienced FOs/SOs or whatever you want to call them.

In general, the level of the training department will sink even lower....


And as a result, the holes in the swiss cheese will finally all line up and we ALL know what that means!

I have given this outfit several years of my life, hoping it will pay of at the end! If all these rumours are the truth, I am afraid I have made an incredibly wrong decision!

Time to do some damage contraol and throw in the towel while its not too late...

I do not want to go looking for a job once the airlines name is blemished due to incredibly POOR management...

:(

[goatliner]

Dear Sgnr,

well said. Same here,looking like the standard has reached a level I never believed being possible in an airline that is operating worldwide.
We always thought "they" would realize how dangerous the game is they are playing, but no response. Right now everybody acts with "eyes wide shut" and if incidents turn into (god forbid) accidents we will be the ones being blamed.
As we witness the level of english degrading in the middle eastern airlines ( even in EK who always did a bit better than the rest ), we also witness a
degree of resignation and desperation that is hard to believe.
Let's see if the caravan starts moving further east or if the ME airlines are finally forced to slow their groth and consolidate (which I don't believe).

Regards

G.L.

[wham]

what do you mean

[Johny Walker]

I do confirm the aforesaid. The general moral is in it's extreme low especially with the senior f.o. They guys seem to be very and I mean VERY tense waiting for some kind of information coming from the office. As usual the managers keep calm too busy with their politics. The situation slowly GETS OUT OF CONTROL.... Everywhere else the airlines are luring f/o with upgrade perspectives but QA tries to pee against the wind.:ugh: The results are foreseeable experienced fo will leave creating even bigger shortage causing the airline to fly with two captains. Is that safe.... NO cost efficient....NO
What to do will be the answer once again, I suppose.

[NewDoha]

I heard on the grape vine that maybe some of the upgrades may not happen as it has something to do with some consultants they have in at the moment who have told the CEO that they have too many pilots. Interesting I wonder where they come up with that.... statistics they pulled from somewhere.

[411A]

It is always generally less expensive to hire a direct entry Captain than upgrade First Officers.
Always has been, always will be.
Now, for this to work properly, said DE Captains have to be offered sufficient compensation...money talks, BS walks.:}

[chainsaw]

411A,

That doesn't make sense. How can something always be generally, if, as you say:

Always has been, always will be.

If it always has been, and always will be, then it can't be qualified as generally. :confused:

[loc22550]

Too many pilots in Q.A.....??...well maybe they are anticipating a new wave of resignation....:ouch:

[Mr Angry from Purley]

NEWDOHA
normal Consultant speak, not enough crews boss, they take their $ then buggar off to leave it to someone else to fix the mess they left behind..


Its not the Greek mafia is it?

:\

[CEO PITA]

I heard that on last meeting all upgrades are delayed becouse of new jojning pilots which have to start flying soon . It will take some 60 days to clear 11 new pilots than only and maybe with a blessing from CEO upgrades will continue and its not a first and last time that upgrades are posponed becouse of new jojning pilots .It make sense new pilot is on ground waiting for line training and on salary while F/O s is flying while waiting for upgrade so which one has priority ? So when you calculate youre time to promotion after all sim checks and 3y and no warning letters and count that at the moment QR has more than 450 F/O s so youre time by the S list is there you must add at least 1y delay for those new jojners taking youre sim slots .
At the moment new jojning F/Os can get left seat in 8y . Its ok if you compare it with Lufthansa or BA or Delta .

[shneidertrophy]

That could be very well true, and if you have a management which is primarily Myopic (close sighted), than yes, that’s how one would react!

On the long run, decisions like this could prove to be catastrophic, as now you are chasing your experienced FO’s away!

Some of them have been lied to for over 6 years now. Promises have been made by several managers towards their upgrades but still they are waiting! (Yes guys and gals, you are reading it correctly! I have met several FOS with 4 digit staff numbers starting with a 3, expatriate, still waiting for their upgrades! Good pilots with a clean record)

These guys have lost their patience and trust in this management. The only reason why they where staying is that promised selection date. Once this date has gone by, there is literally nothing left to keep them here.

Vueling just did a road show in Doha: fast track commands on A320 where the main temptation/

Jet Airways did a road show in Doha: Various promises made, including an upgrade after a year for those who join type rated on A330 or B777

EY is pro-actively calling people at QR, with upgrade promises after 6months-1 year if you have the right qualifications. (heheheh, do you think some of the guys QR chased away in the past are taking revenge by helping the current pilot poaching activities a little bit??)

It is time the QR management starts to wake up and act pro-actively as well! All they have been doing so far is damage control; nobody is looking further than 1 month ahead except the commercial department!

THEY have a fleet plan until 2020! I have seen it, it looks VERY ambitious but unless things change over here, it will stay a far fetched dream!

C'mon guys......be different for a change!

You are looking to attract pilots, be inventive!


Commuting contracts
Perfectly possible within our current contracts. 6 weeks on/2 weeks off can be achieved instantly with exactly the same days off/year as we have now available to us.
The advantages are enormous, both for the company as well as for the crews.
And on top of that, QR would be able to attract huge amounts of new pilots if they where the first ones to do this in the Gulf. Lets face it, with the current inflation rates, Doha getting very busy and at the same time stays boring…VERY VERY FEW PEOPLE REALY WANT TO LIVE HERE!


Retirement scheme
Promised to us for over 4 years now. Was given to the Qatari pilots only because of severe legal pressure from the government. Why is it SOOOO difficult to do like any other serious company in the world, and give a pension fund/retirement scheme or profit sharing.

Make sure people become loyal employees and give them a reason to stay longer!


Computerised bidding system
Ensure all flights are evenly and equally distributed among the pilots, and there is no more room for corruption! The system we have now is founded on typical Indian corruption practices, where bribes are common and Mafia style group forming is the rule!


Bases outside QATAR
A since long discussed topic. Unfortunately a very remote option as this would take away all the controlling powers of the management, and it would severely reduce the spending of money by crews in the Qatari economy.

It would be THE solution for many of QR’s woes….


Many more options are available for those who really want to find a solution. But that’s exactly the question…

Do THEY realy want to solve the problem on the long run or do we just want those shiny birds to fly, praying to god (whoever that may be to you) that nothing will happen on this day!!! Tomorrow is another day so no worries!

[loc22550]

...and some kind of currency exchange protection will become necessary asap as well if it continues like that with the crash of the U$.......:ugh::{

Good point regarding the roster...yes send home the corrupted shaking head gang mafia, and put instead professional people working in the interest of the company !

[Black Stain]

May I ask some simple questions?

Why would you want a command upgrade with that airline anyway?

Is the job much different, or is it same !!!!e different hat?
Will more stripes make you more proud to wear the same badge?
Is it just the money???
Is this as good as it gets?
Can you not do better??

For career satisfaction, this is a short dead end street. Have some self respect and give the chief the bird salute.

[salamalikum2]

...Well...the benefit of being a cpt is that at least the day you may ever decide to resign....yes..this kind of think happens in Q.A....:ouch:, your end of service benefit is higher (as it is based on the basic salary)....:\

[blue&green]

If all i read is true, i will be gone in three months once i secure my upgrade with another airline. I think i have wasted to many years already. Thanks guys i have enjoyed flying with most but lately haven`t enjoyed baby sitting the substanded Dec.:ok:

[Firsteagle]

I have been with the airline for 4years now, and everything what said shneidertrophy is 100% is correct , :ugh:

[Terry Wrist]

Apparently many poor bastards signed a US$50000 bond, for a lowly get anywhere for US$25000, A320 P2 Rating??

A conspiracy grows....

Where they drugged?

Where they tortured?

Were these poor bastards at the end of their road with nowhere else to go??

Please explain how this happened???

Congratulations again to the Goat for screwing down and exploiting the most vulnerable. :eek::{:yuk::(

[CEO PITA]

Man 2003 Om (A) for locals (Qatari ) pilots 4500h and for others 5000h to command . And only after Qatari pilot had crash with Indian dispetcher Qatari and locals 5000 h .
If you jojning some airlinesyou should know that on intervew thay will make things look better than it is so you should aske ar research more . And is it strange if on intrervew thay tell you 1 y to upgrade and you know for a fact that therre are 150 F/O s ahead of you ! So how long it take to figure that 1y year is a joke ?
No more promotions my friend becuse new management new rules .
There is 25 F/O s waiting for god s blessing . And after that new management need to hire there friends DEC from previous airlines . So it will take years .
Sorry to say but we are in deep !!!! !
I can say only 1 word : ETIHAD

[loc22550]

Well the all company is in the hand of ONLY one Man (AAB), and depending of his mood when he woke up in the morning, his decision can be black or white...(this is for point nr 3)...

[shneidertrophy]

for once I have to agree with PITA man...ETIHAD is becoming an increasingly temptative alternative!

While the current management is hiding behind closed doors, waiting untill the new team takes over in 2008, the frustration is growing among everybody!

Lately I havent done 1 single flight, without somebody complaining!


LM...well well....he was caught pants down, flirting with the people from thales while cashing in on his bonus! This and other fraudulent activities are being held against him. Appaerently his family was planning to take over the company, all of them are under investigation now!

Will be replaced by a brit apparently...guy with no longhaul experience but affiiliated to the UK CAA. The Nigels are coming!

AJ...resigned and allegedly out of the office in 2008! Questions remains...who will replace him.?

senior guys and 777....well, CEO wanted only people with widebody experience to go on the 777. Both Ticma and vasgo have no widebody experience, except for the respectable size of their bellies! Is this a correct reason...I dont think so! Can we do anything about it....NOPE!


Massive it will be indeed.....Effective waits to be seen....long lasting for sure not, as the average lifespan of a management guy here is about 12 months! ( except the boss and SSS)


HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

[A300Man]

Indeed, all of this is very concerning news. The whole pack of cards seems close to falling-in, unless some drastic measures are taken.

All the woes are now spreading like wildfire outwith the airline itself, and the last thing anyone on the upper floors wants is for the SLF (via media conduits) to start to know just what is going on within the "Military junta-esque" managed Qatar Airways. This is something like a step back into the dark ages.

All these stories of prison-cell like living for the cabin crew, coupled with a "take it or leave it" attitude that the management has with its pilots, does NOT make for safe and happy flying. The only thing that seems to be missing from the scene are stocks and handcuffs.

As humans, we all have limits of toleration. As a customer, we like to have the warm, fuzzy feeling that the Commander of the aircraft is well paid, well rested, highly motivated and thoroughly enjoys what he does. Most of all, we like to feel that he will be able to command his aircraft skillfully in the event of an emergency. Same goes for the Cabin Crew.

Reading half the stuff on these boards about how badly QR commanders and co-pilots are treated, and how the cabin crew (who are adults, after all) are made to live under conditions that can only be described as draconian, makes one wonder what all of this must be doing to your mental health and physical well-being. (I say this out of concern and empathy, and not criticism or nastiness).

And all because of one man's insatiable greed and imbalanced ego................

Good luck to y'all.

[salamalikum2]

-Pilots well paid....? Not anymore(inflation, crash of the qatari riyal/U$...).
-Pilots well rest....? Not always!(due to the unsafe roster, 3 or 4 night flighs in a row with minimum rest, is something common here, roster gang are still thinking that people are like a machin that can be switch on or off on demand...!!),Have to admit that i operated some flights very tired,including my colleague who was in the same kind of shift....Good..as long everything is ok....but should any emergency or abnormal circonstance occur during the flight, i honestly have some doubt about the safe issue of the flight with such a high level of fatigue!
But i guess our roster team is not really able to think further than legality..!

[cavelino rampante]

A300Man

A very good post. As with any developing country or company that grows larger and increases its profile internationally it conversely has to contend with increased scrutiny from the outside world.

Al Baker is giving Qatar and the Qatari's a bad name everywhere.

The only way forward for this airline is without him. I can only pray the powers that be will make that decision ASAP. Its been too long coming.

[MCTMAN]

Well said, :D

[Qatari515]

Well said indeed!

Only one solution......We all know what it is....But will it ever happen?


All things said here are 100% true, but they are only the tip of the iceberg!

Most of the things going on around here are not suitable at all for a public forum, as it would scare the hell out of non-professional readers.

And our beloved 9th floor management allready has a legal action running against this site and certain of its users...


FREEDOM IS NOTHING ELSE BUT HAVING NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE!

[Two Dogs....]

Only plausable solution to the Hairy Goat Problem is maintenance of painful pressure. Do not relent. Never tell lies, but continue to Load The Dice..... Chance and endemic incompetence will do the rest.

What do ya mean?

Very naive, if you believe all posts about the circus are just emotional rants. Load it up....

[hairy plotter]

We do not maintain that all they do is wrong, but we do insist that what they are doing can be an occasion of many future evils. hopefully the CEO enjoys 5 star service often enough to realize that a silver cutlery isn't enough to conduct a safe flight.... needless to comment

[Trashed Aviator]

you need to collectively approach Emirates to strike up a deal , they could employ all of your pilots who m:mad:ake the grade. Have the balls and resign .

[KRUGERFLAP]

EK,EY or QR

All of them have problemas,but everybody knows that they got the best packages around,so it´s your decision where to go.

KF

[CEO PITA]

Its sad that almost all experianced cabin crew have resigened in last 30 days and leaving QR to Etihad becouse of stupid memo restrictions on going out of accomodation during off or on duty days . Yes we will be 5 star super stars but with inexperianced girls getting 2y experiance and going to Emirates or Etihad. It is known that we are getting pilots which fail in Emirates and Etihad and QR is bottom of line option but its there.
All this becouse of one man AAB .
For AAB its more important to have jacket buttoned than to have safe landing . Good Mr AAB see you have many HARD LANDINGS ha ha ha !
Pilots can cost a lot if thay get angre at you ! You give us warning letters and we will make you pay !

[Qatari515]

:ugh:So,

14 Captains resigned from the A330/A340 fleet in the last month

A330 is running about 45 F/Os short of normal ops at the moment

Almost ALL senior F/Os are in the process of taking big decisions due to the fact that upgrades are suspended UFN

On A320 a lot of guys are eying EY because no more fleet transfers from A320 to A330 and EY would give them mixed fleet flying!

Whoever is left on the A300 is pissed of because some guys where allowed to go on 777, and this decision has been made based on personal preferences of their chief pilots rather than being based on seniority! The guys left behind have no more option left whatsoever...

On A340 the dream might be over soon. If the B777 takes over the IAD route there wont be no more roster flexibility left to give them 8 days OFF in a row and they will be back to 60hr roster patterns doing BKK and LHR.

Massive exodus is happening at the cabin crew side of things ever since that new megalomaniacal rule has been announced regarding the curfews! So all normal people are indeed leaving, again lots to EY, where a normal life awaits them!

In flight Ops in general all the so called "managers " are on some sort of strange leave, as everybody is waiting for this new management and the OLD guys do not want to take any decisions anymore. Nothing is being done at the moment....



When are these people EVER going to learn how to run an airline? When will somebody realise that one man can not manage 7000 emplyees on his own? When will this one man realise that he is being lied to on a daily base due to the fact that he rules by fear, and so all bad news is shielded from him?

This company is digging itself in deeper and deeper, while the neighbours such as EK, EY and even GF are taking massive jumps foreward!

Its just a disaster waiting to happen, and only very few people are responsible for this!:ugh:

[ramiyns]

Dose the old agreement of NO POACHING between QR&EK still stand

[loc22550]

If they(amateur roster gang) continue with those kind of unsafe roster(accumulation of night flight with minimum rest....)..yes for sure a disaster will happen one day, when i see the level of fatigue of some crew(including myself..).:ugh:

[crewing_anon]

guys, it is easy to blame the crewing dept but remember we only have a certain amount of flight deck to roster and believe me we dont have enough (even though the consultants say there is too many). But yes there is some problems in rostering dept but they are trying.:ugh:

[voyager8]

Just to get this wright,if you go as an FO in QR,there is no chance for upgrade??

[Firsteagle]

the problem of joining qr as FO ,is that the Airline will not take into consideration your previous jet experience for upgrade ;if you accept a ground instructor job ,you have 3 months per year less to do in your seniority ;but if you got 8000 hours including thousands of jet time ,doesnot matter ,this is why many experienced fo is considering to leave the airline ;experienced fo will be upgrade in 6 months joining a low cost airline ,fast track do not exist here for experienced fo;new joiner will take a minimum of 6 years ,ok if you got 3OOO hours ,not 8000 !

[FlyingNun]

I don't know what the fuss is all about.
QA is a wonderful airline. You are paid well, conditions of service are compatible, and you are flying the youngest fleet in the MidEast.

What I really object to, is some racist remarks in this forum which implies "If you are not a native English speaker, you can not and should not fly an aeroplane, or your standard is low". My reply is: Get the F@&K back down under where you belong, and don't ever think that you are a good aviator.

You are good if you can get a good job in your own country, and since you are working here......

Try applying to other airlines, I can guarantee you would be sacked within six months.

Don't nag, just do your jobs and shut up or L E A V E....

God Bless you all.

[loc22550]

If Q.A. is such a wonderfull airline as you pretend..., can't really understand the huge number of resignation we have every year here..anyway..:\
'well paid.....'....well maybe..but the only problem: my salary has been devaluated by 40% the last years by the sink of the Qatari riyal...just 40%..,Did you noticed the inflation in Doha as well,the highest in the gulf,almost 13%...!!

[Qatari515]

Nice post Nunny!

Did you come up with that one yourself?

SCAM ALERT! Tread hijacking warning...

[hairy plotter]

How brainwashed someone has to be to post something like FlyingNun did, really? :ugh::ugh:Same story every time the management keeps promising to the guys every day to launch the upgrades and nothing happens at all. Anyone coming here must beware of absolute instability. No planning can be made whatsoever neither career wise nor private wise...:=:=

[Johny Walker]

What in gods name going on with that rostering dep? The system is permanently down, website inaccessible. Old practising of abusing whatever only can be abused is in place again Anyone cares to shed some light...?

[Plutos]

To Qatari515:
Sorry to point out this from your recent posts,but can u explain who is flying the A330 now ? Is it a temporary situation or a company rule ?
Qatari 515 is the most active member on this forum and also the most accurate in answering. His point of view from inside the airline is the most reliable.


...14 Captains resigned from the A330/A340 fleet in the last month...

...On A320 a lot of guys are eying EY because no more fleet transfers from A320 to A330 and EY would give them mixed fleet flying!...

Tks

[Mr Angry from Purley]

1515
any idea where the new rostering manager is from!? :\

[smart123]

i just heard 8 F/Os have been given dates for command training from Dec'07. good news. Also around 36 f/os are in pipeline (selected) for command. good to know that Qatar Airways is waking up to the reality. whatever said & done the present GMFO is doing his level best to help our community.

[CEO PITA]

8 F/Os for left seat training good news . One fleet like A320 can do only 2 per manth . 17 still waiting .
Roster for A330 good in general . A300 ok ,A340 best but A320 my friends are in trouble with that rostering mad man .
New rostering m. is Sudani .
AAB ordered another 160 A/C so he need to rise the salary for 40% to get people to that goat airline .

[loc22550]

40% of increase may be a good start...at least to compensate with the inflation in doha and the crash of the U$/Qatari riyal..:\

[Qatari515]

Hold your horses guys!

8 FOs where given a date

Indeed so, but those where guys selected in April 2007. The last one of them starts training in March 2008 (11 months after selection)

36 others are selected

Indeed so, but this list includes the selection meeting of june and th guys selected last week. All of them still need to pass by the desk of the CEO for approval, before they can even start their training, flights,interview and upgrade training.

So the last one of this group will hopefully start his training April 2009!!!

A320 can handle between 2 and 4 upgrades/month
A330 upgrades are suspended untill further notice due to the fact that there are way to many captains allready on that fleet! Just look at the number of flights leaving with two captains.

DEC is stopped on A320 and A330 and one of the reasons are the upgrades. The last DEC on A330 will be trained in feb 2008 (he is on the waitinglist right now)
Management wants to increase upgrade training...


Lets see how the new management team will deal with this problem...

[smart123]

Let us appreciate the fact that they re-started the command training for 8 F/Os. they would also like to re-start command on A330 as well and increase numbers to 6 to 8 per month (both A320/A330 together) & increase number of direct enry F/O recruitment. Let us give due recognition to management when they do something good for us.

A320 rostering is absolutely chaos. It is beyond his depth. A340 looks good because it is a small fleet/crew strength, fixed routes, less headache and very easy to manage. I wish (for example) the A330 avoid scheduling pilots arriving from far east in morning and asking to operate to europe in the night after minimum rest, otherwise they do a reasonably good job. A300-Good luck!!!!!! Any idea who will be CP for 777 and rostering planner for 777?

New RM-comments reserved for time being. Hope she will able to make difference in rostering unlike her predecessor. By the way the ex-RM CC is now with EY. Good luck to EY pilots!!!!!!!!they will face fun as we had in QR!!!!!

[hairy plotter]

Let's not get too optimistic we all know it's just one man show over here. No matter what the management decides if the boss says no then it's no.....
the alert stage isn't over yet. It only can be turned around by actual boosting of the process..

[Johny Walker]

That's right folks. It looks like a fatal crash landing is juiced up through a mitigation strategy. It's too late to save the assets but not too late to save some of your people. They are worth it. You kill the upgrades and the titanic will sink faster as you can imagine

[CEO PITA]

Command upgrades started again !
Good bless A.Johar ! Thanx GMFO
Pay rise soon !

[Mephistopheles]

Johny Walker, I am trying to understand your post but the "You kill the upgrades and the titanic will sink faster as you can imagine" part bewilders me? So you are telling me that you guys there are hot s***. Please enlighten me.

[salamalikum2]

"pay rise soon...?" well.. if it happens, Let's call it compensation for the inflation in Doha (13%),wich is a direct consequence of the devaluation of the qatri riyal...:{

[Johny Walker]

There are some sexy hot shot among them I wouldn't deny it....The benefit of the doubt is yours Mephistopheles...

[Airbus007]

Ex-CRM from Qr Mr.C C is in Etihad(EY).God Bless EY Pilots on Airbus 320 Fleet.He has been given Airbus 320 fleet (320 Fleet Planner).:ok:
Well this guy could not handle his job in Qr.He was just show piece in Qr
only just changing roster for his gay & european cabin Crew.:mad:

All the best EY Rostering team:D

[loc22550]

Changing roster for European cabin crew in Q.A..well doesn't concern that much people here!:hmm:
Anyway Indian mafia in roster have done the same for the last years for indian cc..but the diffrence is that ..they (mafia)are still here....:hmm:

Hope but i doubt that the new roster manager will have a look on that, take necessary action in order for everybody to have a balanced roster!!

[salamalikum2]

...we may have a new Rostering manager...but still no roster for next month....:ugh:
Congratulation again to the team for the highly professional job, and now that the 777 are coming..another fleet...:\, they are already lost now..thinks are not gone improve !

[CEO PITA]

Well my roster was out 3 days a go A330 and its ok .
Dont know for mental fleet and 340 but am sure this A320 APU fleet roster will be out at least on 30 th which is ok becouse small aircraft is operated by junior capt and fresh crew which earn small salary .
The most important fleet A330 roster is out . We fly big airplanes ,we earn big salary and we fly best destinations and cabin crew love us.
777 is not a mess yet wait till it take off that will be a mess becouse all instructors are there and that means trouble ! I can see already big photo of Richard N. on QR tower with his big british smille in 777 taking you more personally. Well i guess it cant be CP A300 on photo !

[Qatari515]

Man man man, This guy can not be serious now can he?

Just go and have a look what he posted on the QR/EK/EY thread!!!


If there is any Moderator around, can I kindly ask you guys to have a look at CEO PITAs replies and please, for the sake of this forum, ban him forever?

The only thing he does is provoking....

[A300Man]

Quote:

The most important fleet A330 roster is out . We fly big airplanes ,we earn big salary and we fly best destinations and cabin crew love us.

Unquote.


Response:

Argggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[salamalikum2]

But CEO..At least the big advantage In Q.A.of NOT being on the 330, is that we will never have to fly with you.:hmm:

[CEO PITA]

Yes salamalejkum 2 you are right you cant fly with me for sure becouse i dont fly with people who get 3 on SIM checks its just becouse with 3 you will not get to A330 .A330 is for 5 + guys lol lol

[salamalikum2]

I´m very worried about you CEO...Expecially your mental health.. and scared... because your are a pilot..(well i hope not,maybe you just pretend to be a pilot...).
(For info i was on 330 for a couple of years ,than Qatar airways upgraded me):rolleyes:

[Qatari515]

Just leave the guy alone....

His last remark has just proven that he is NOT a pilot!
Not even the most retarded QR pilot ( and believe you me, we do have a lot of those here) would make a remark like that!
For what its worth CEO boy, I will do my utmost best to find out who you are! And you better NOT be an A330 pilot at QR because than for sure I will find you...
In case I would be wrong and you indeed are a pilot overhere, I am sure lots of people would like to know who you are!
If indeed you are flying on the A330 fleet, that rather strange but typical spelling style of yours will give you away in a snap!

CLOWN!

[CEO PITA]

No you are demoted my friend if you fly A320 .
How much you earn ? Which destinations you fly ?Which a/c ?
How long you need to get to A330 ?
Seams to me you didnt have 6000h .
I will newer let myt self flying APU fleet !!
Upgrade on A330 or die as F/O but on reall airplane !

[PHAROH]

Qatari515 (http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=65324)
That was the oldest trick in the book. Don't let this guy (CEO PITA) pull your legs,he may have different names but for sure he has the same attitude try (FADAC),same way(writting titles&words, same behaviour +same date.
"His last remark has just proven that he is NOT a pilot!"
He is.
" sure I will find you"
let him go man :ok:.

CEO PITA

Respect for ourselves guides our morals; respect for others guides our manners.

[CEO PITA]

VR ? lol lol lol
Find me tru VRs ? lol lol i see you can work in CIA . same department of CIA which found nuclear wappon . ha ha ha
So you are one of asslickers in office who can get others VRs ?
Are you Belgian maybe ?
A 330 fleet is the best !
I have to fly to one of best destinations we fly on 330.

[vaschandi]

Hi Pita!
Guys like you normally calm down and shut up once they finally get their upgrade!
You need urgently professional medical help and a psychiatric treatment.
Sure, you are not working any more with us!
Try to find a good shrink, when you are at one of your best destination.
I really would like to help you!!!

[CEO PITA]

Yes yes my friend i will find one from India !!
Am not working in QR am enjojing live in QR ( $,destinations,airplane,roster) all the best is on best fleet A330
And the best pilots in QR flying the best fleet.
You know what a A320 or A300 pilot think when he see A330 taking off :
I WISH I FLY A330

[Johny Walker]

Upgrade on A330 or die as F/O but on real airplane !
I don't wish you to be the first one to die on the real airplane but if I was the PIC I definitely wouldn't let you touch anything in there.

[Qatari515]

I am gonna ignore you totally dumb ass, from now on!

Just as it was suggested by some other people here...

You are a lunatic, and a dangerous one that is!

And no, I am not Belgian! Only 69 other nationalities to guess from!

[FlyingCroc]

Having idiots like this Pita as captains is scary :eek:

[CEO PITA]

Having flyingcroc in cockpit is even more scary !
Go to river Croc ! Jungle is a place for you !
lol lol
am really having fun guys you are like kids i light some fire and all ov you jump ! ha ha

[A300Man]

The A330 and A340 fleets are different, in terms of flight deck? I always assumed that the A330 pilots would also fly the A340, and vice-versa. What's the reason for QR keeping them as "seperate" fleets? (Excuse my ignorance if I have just asked a stupid question, but it is a genuine question).In fact, I think a German friend of mine who works for LH flies the A321, A330 and A340, if I understood him correctly! Could this be possible, or am I hallucinating?

I understand the final A300 passenger aircraft will leave the fleet in June 2008 - what will happen, therefore, to all the A300 flight-deck crew?

Some of us will miss the A300........................

[vaschandi]

May be to keep Pitas spirit disconnected!
...ah, sorry, we want to ignore him.

Yes, you are right! LTU pilots also fly both A320-A330.
Emirates A330-A340

[Cpt. off the hook]

It's all good bro CEO PITA just stop smoking that sh..t of yours or give it to all of us:}:}:}

[Tintin]

A300man i think is because if you fly both we will have to alternate the sim. if we had a 340 sim in doha maybe but they still go to BKK if I remember. Plus all that to make maybe less then10% of the flight on the 340..

Hey that's just a guess I'm not the expert here ask CEO PITOUNE

[FlyingCroc]

"¡Por qué no te callas!" :}

[salamalikum2]

..slightly out off the topic, but important think for us...:) annual leave:)...: supposed to be released on Aims on 30 november 2007...!Nothing yet as far as i can see..
Anybody got infos...?
I known this is not from the uppermost important for Q.A...but for us yes, at least for our planning..:uhoh:

[Qatari515]

Mixed fleet flying (MFF) is being done in QR, but only by instructors.

They can fly A330/A340 or A330/A320.

In general it is said that MFF for the mainline pilots (Not instructor astronauts heheheh) will only be profitable if both fleet sizes are more or less the same. Tinitin pointed it out earlier allready, it has to do with staying current on both machines.

Since QR has 29 A330s and only 5 A340s, it makes no sense to qualify all the pilots on both airplanes. Same goes for A330 vs A320.

Hope this helps...


Regarding Annual leave...what did you expect my friend? We have NO management at the moment and we have NO designated rostering manager! Who would take a decision like that now, while nobody knows what/who the new management is going to be(like)...

Bad luck for those of us who have requested leave in jan/feb 2008!

As usual, scramble like measures will be taken soon.....


WHAT A COMPANY!

[Johny Walker]

here we go once again empty promises are hitting the wall. Vacation not published existing leaves canceled. Guys due for their upgrade are still waiting for any kind of info. All the rumors about relaunching the upgrades turned out to be a hoax. Nobody makes a move waiting for the new management to arrive.:ugh::ugh::ugh: QTR wannabes hold your horses till it's clear where we're all steering.

[Qatari515]

I am wondering how many pilots, actually flying for QR, have resumes pending elsewhere...

Faith in the company has never been so low in years....

[salamalikum2]

..OK.. as Somebody has mentioned a sudanese guy for rostering management a few weeks ago on this thread, i thought this problem was solved...:uhoh:
We are working hard in this company...., the MINIMUM from the management should have been to make some effort to solve thisproblem on time, in order to show some consideration for crew...Not even that!:ugh:
DISGUSTING!
This company ,human wise is a total disaster!And if they continue on this way,,this gone be a bad Luck..but for the company.
And than they wonder why people are leaving...!!:ugh::ugh:

[CEO PITA]

Naw am asked to go for B777 .Answered NO !! Want only A330 as long as my wings can move .
Its not good to be a test pilot on new aircraft .Let the best pilots in airline do it first lol lol
Half year to upgrade A330 and trianing department want me to change fleet ? Crazy or what ?

[FlyingCroc]

cabron, tu tienes cojones :}

[Qatari515]

Pitta man....

GOTCHA!

And FYI, no upgrades anymore on A330 due to overload of captains on that fleet!

[hairy plotter]

CEO PUTA and upgrade and 330 wow boy that's new and certainly incompatible

[loc22550]

Indeed ..some flights on 330 and 320 are operated with 2 captains...:ugh:
So they must be an overload of CPT ..or a lack of F/O...

[Qatari515]

Too many captains and by far not enough FOs!

Word is out that upgrades are a far fetched dream in QR, so no more capable FOs are applying to this outfit!

On top of that, in true QR style, the recruitment team has always been focussing on Capt recruitment. No matter where you come from, if you call yourself Capt you are looked upon as a god overhere!

So they overrecruited on the Capt side, and forgot the FO side of things!

Only this month they have realised their mistake and DEC recruitment is supposed to be stopped totally! Only the people allready offered a job will be accepted in!

Good first step, but QRs reputation is so damaged allready that I do not see more FOs applying in the nearby future....

EVACUATE EVACUATE EVACUATE!

[CEO PITA]

Not true ! Just flown with CT A330 few days a go and confirmed upgrades on A330 continue and A320 as well some F/Os waiting CEOs clereance and some DEC training in progress so upgrades slow down but it will start again in Jan .
B 777 upgrades will also take place in 1 y when B777 will not be mistery any more .
New jojning F/O has to wait for 5-6 y at the moment to promotion which is ok becouse in any other big airline you have to wait much more 7-12 maybe even 14y . That makes 5-6 y GOOD !

[salamalikum2]

The only difference, if you fly for a major airline(Lufhtansa,Air France,Cathay...), it´s probably worth to wait 7..12 years for an upgrade.!
But ..6 years in an airline like Qatar airways, it´s very(too) long, as this is the only good think here in Qatar airways:The upgrade.

[Firsteagle]

Yes but the Airline upgrading after 10 to 14 years are not taking direct entry captain and only upgrade there own people , do not compare this please ,this is a vrong jugment ,the airline you are talking about have a much better safety level !!!!!!

[CEO PITA]

Yea ok about DEC you are right but about safety am not sure . QR still didnt have any crash ( almost one in JBG ) but till naw we are ok always land safe .
5-6 is ok since salary difference is not so big !

[Qatari515]

Couple ofthings to keep in perspective here:

Pita man, you have flown with CP Training A330. I know, I have seen your roster! One thing you should know than as wel is that he is a very nice person but he will tell you anything you want to here! Off course he will tell you that A330 upgrade is continuing! He has to! He will tell you as well that upgrades are continuing just as before....

Look at the facts!

The guys selected in April all but 3 had over 6000 hours! All of them are being put on the A320 fleet! Fact 1

The last guy of that group (April 2007) will start training in june 2008! Fact 2

The guys selected in june (17) have never been approved by the CEO, as he does not believe upgrades are a high priority! They have been waiting for 6 months now for any news! FACT3

Than there is the group selected in November (18).

As far as I could understand, both the june and november lists have been merged together, making a big list of 35 people, all awaiting still approval from the CEO! FACT4

That means, all in all, over 45 people are awaiting a training slot allready for upgrades. Most of them are well above 6000hrsTT but upgrades are only continuing on A320! ( 5 guys upgraded on A330, all selected in december 2006, thats it!)

At the current rate, this means the last one of this group will do his upgrade in december 2009! Fact 5

So Pita man, you said you have 6 months to go so that is selection june 2008. That means 2 selection meetings from now. That means mid 2011 if nothing changes!
That is 5 years + after joining! And it is only getting worse for the guys after you!

Another thing you should take into consideration....

Lets say you do your upgrade here. Where will you go afterwards? The majors will not accept you as DEC and this Disney world overhere, this paradise for DEC where so many of us took advantage of, will not continue to exist forever!
So no comparison whatsoever!

Regarding QR being safe! I will not discuss such a thing on a public forum but if you honestly think that the JNB incident was the only close call we had so far, think again! Go and talk to the guys in the safety office and you will see!

But do not live in oblivion mate!

[salamalikum2]

Always remember a sentence from one of my instructor who told me :" you known flying a modern aircraft today from A to B, when the weather is nice, aircraft is ok...even my Grand Mother can do it...:)....BUT...When you have a serious technical problem and the weather is sh... and.... than you better be a well trained and qualified pilot...."
Hope Qatar Airways has not been just lucky up to now....

P.S.: leave allocation has been released.

[cavelino rampante]

We're very lucky to have these genius pilots in QR. Very professional of them to post anonymously on an internet forum and tell the rest of us how crap we are.

[Firsteagle]

qatari 515 ,according the present situation,a guys who get is 3 years after date of release today ,which date do you estimate he will be upgraded ?,thank for your answer

[Qatari515]

Start today, no changes in policies and all going well...


At least 8 years!


Remember: Almost 500FOs in front of you now!


Pita man: divide your 6 by two and you know what I am talking about!

[Kauwahi]

So sad! Do not believe anything until it actually happens. Unfortunately there will also be people who believe every single word the management and its managers say. As Qatari515 says, go ahead and believe it. I spent three and a half years there and quickly realised you should take everything with a pinch of salt until you actually see it happening!

[shneidertrophy]

I have no idea why you act the way you do PITTA CEO, but it surely does not reflect any attitude I would expect from a soon to be Captain!

You must be either a hoax, a wannabee or a local guy fresh from the college!

You have absolutely no idea whatsoever...

Qatari515 and others, why do you even bother with this guy. I wont after this post, thats for sure!

Pretty much all what has been said here by serious people is corect. The situation is very worrying indeed...

Lets hope the new management will be able to recover from this steep dive before its too late!

Godspeed!

[CEO PITA]

What new management ??
If you are in QR for some time you should know that there is no new or old management there is only one management and its a CEO . He will take new guys and give some freedom for 30 days and after same old story .
MANAGEMANT TERMINATION like it was case tru all this years ! lol lol new management
He will call new GMFO at any time of day or night and aske him why Capt on 001 asked crew to bring FC meal when he should know that only BC meal can be served and so on and you will see GMFO who was full of promise and entusiasm first 30 days resigening frustrated after some time.

[Cpt. off the hook]

Ceo Pita is finally talking sense. Congratulations son.

[azlee_19]

guys, i have close to 500 hrs on 777, total 3700 jet, considering to apply for qr. btw, logically 27 777s on the way so, if i am accepted

-will upgrade happen in say after 3 yrs
-will upgrade be within 777 only, or they can cris-cross from 330, 340, 320 also

[PIPE RIDER]

Acording to the actual policy , you will join the line behind all the guys for the 320 fleet so look at least 5 to 6 years for a left seat (on a 320), your location is KL right? go to Airasia already 18 f/os on QR took that option

[azlee_19]

that long, airasia maybe better, i dontknow if they accept ppl w/outt airbus rating. those 18 f/os frm qr.

[Qatari515]

OK, the new year is here!

Anybody has any news about:

1) The new management.

2) The proposed changes in rostering.

3) Upgrades.

4) Salary

5) Anything......



Guess not......same story all over again!


Happy new year chaps....and good luck!

[hairy plotter]

will not upgrades increase or have to increase in the future with all these A350s 777s and 787s orders while still (or maybe trying to) attract DEC's at the same time ? think about it once again, would you?
Has anything changed compared to what it used to be? NO. Same expansion same growing crazy policy etc..What makes you think there will be any change, my friend? You see it's wish thinking these people are betting on and they are quite often successful with the bets. They don't lie if asked but neither do they tell you the truth cause it's their job to get you here. Let me tell you one thing coming over is easier than to leave. Take it as granted.

[hairy plotter]

well Snam, aren't u a smart one? You think your calculations are unbeatable.
You think, the market will complete the final stroke and if you stick it out you will outsmart all the dummies who haven't seen it else where, don't you?
Best of luck man, all i can say to you.

[CAT IIIB]

dear azlee 19,

Yes,Air Asia accepts FOs with WB experience for A320 command ,with or without A320 rating.

Judging from your flying hours,I can imagine where you are along the MAS seniority line,boy,you will rot for command if you were to stay in MAS!

[CEO PITA]

I was told 2 days a go that A320 can do 2 upgrade in 30 days and A330 can do 2 also . No upgrade on A300 and 777 means 4 total in 30 days . Its easy to calculate if you jojn naw as F/O you are 428th F/O so 428 guyz must get a left seat before you so figure it out ?

[CAT IIIB]

Whoooow...8.9 years for an upgrade.Not a wise decision to move to Qatar at the moment but still,for junior FOs in MAS is worth considering,reasonbeing;

1)Rumeneration package.
2)A very exhaustive long queue for command down here + command classes are frozen at present.
3)MAS's FOs have to go through NB aircrafts for their first command.

What's the upgrading path for a Qatar Airways WB FO?Do they have to go on A320(NB) first for command,or do they do Right to Left transition?