DHL to buy 6 B767-300ER's [Archive]

Piper19

9th March 2007, 10:25

DHL, DHL UK, EAT, Swiftair, ABX, Astar,... the money only goes to 1 wallet, so it doesn't matter who buys the planes. If you look at the ident tags on our planes, it is a paper full of "leased to...,subcontracted to...,sub-subcontracted to, owned by,...".
From EAT side, I've not heard of any new 767's coming in, so I'm almost sure they are not for EAT and DHL UK. What I did hear is that we get 2 "new" Airbus A300B4's (OO-DID and OO-DIE). That last one is very applicable to EAT Belgium.

neil armstrong

9th March 2007, 10:36

EAT and DHLair are owned my DHL Swiftair is part owned i think and ABX and Astar operate for DHL but are not owned! ABX already has some 767's so a bit wierd that DHL is now buying some for them.
But i do agree that i dont see them come to Europe ,we can only fly them to the States and back ,but under the new agreement between the EU and US a US company could fly them over to the EU and fly them around here for a bit (like UPS)

Neil

DIRRIK

9th March 2007, 10:46

found on www.luchtzak.be:

"Deutsche Post will start a new airline with a german AOC, based in Leipzig , there will also come some 747's to fly to Asia and China.
_________________"

so we will see

D

Flip Flop Flyer

9th March 2007, 14:56

Saw a corporate statement issued by John Mullen, the DHL Express CFO in the US. It'll be brand new -300ER Freighters, to my knowledge the first time DHL has went and bought shiny new metal. Well, apart from the A300-600Fs flying with AHK, but we only own 40% of those.
Stands to reason then, that they'll be N-reg'd; but whether it'll be ABX or ASTAR is not revealed at this point in time. Not the best of news for our guys with EAT and DHK who might have hoped for some longhaul flying. There was no information about routes, but little voices have spoken about them being used for point-to-point routes across the pond. That, however, is rumours taken to the extreme!

DIRRIK
And I've heard those 747s will an expansion of the current JV with LCAG. That is also the only thing I've heard (that's suitable for publication on a rumours network).

hvydriver

9th March 2007, 15:04

Thanks for the replies all! Flop, I'd agree that most likely they would be used on point to point oceanic. The only thing that has me scratching my head, is the tech. specs. from Boeing. Look at this range of action graph, and see what ya'll think. It sounds marginal to me operating to/from JFK with a max. payload of 127k.

http://boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_rc_fgt_newyork.html

Daysleeper

9th March 2007, 15:17

Would surprise me if the 767s were to be for one of the US operators. Might call into question the independence of those airlines. As Neil said did ABX lose their chequebook?

RAFAT

9th March 2007, 15:37

On a general note, do I understand it correctly that US freight operators can fly to, and around, the EU, but EU freight operators can only fly to the US there and back?

If this is correct it's obviously a tad unfair, is it not.

hvydriver

9th March 2007, 16:27

RAFAT,

Not exactly. UPS has their inter-european fleet subbed out to an EU carrier, (the name of which escapes me at the moment) however, FedEx has a base in France, but I don't know if they fly inter-europe or not. I know when I was doing inter-european charters on the 8 years ago, we used the EuroTran call sign, flying sub-contract for EAT. On the other hand, we also used to do JFK-EMA-BRU-JFK, and CVG-BBR-BAH-BBR-JFK on a regular basis on our own route authority, prior to the segment becoming to large for an 8 to carry, then it went to Gemini, then DLH. (The BAH route segment went to Kalitta.)

DIRRIK

9th March 2007, 16:40

Fedex planes fly inter european routes but not unlimited. They use Air contractors (1 A300 and several ATRs), Westair (ATR-ATP) and Swiftair (ATR and EMB120).
UPS uses mainly STAR air (B767) , MNG cargo (A300), Bluebird cargo (B737) and Farnair (ATRs and F27) to fly within Europe.
DHL uses EAT (A300 and 757),DHL UK (757) in Europe.

Greetz

D

WhaleDriver

9th March 2007, 16:42

Just to jump into the frey, DHL has told Atlas/Polar that their plan is to have all Trans-Ocean shipments be done by them. Atlas World Wide Holdings has expressed interest in doing a smaller plane if they could get some sharing of the risk, ie partial ownership?

Kougarok

9th March 2007, 17:17

DHL Orders 767s for U.S. Market
Air Cargo World, Friday March 09, 2007

"Express delivery company DHL confirmed an order for six 767-300ER (Extended Range) Freighters from Boeing to be used in its U.S. operations. "Adding the wide-body 767 Freighter to our network allows us to grow our business considerably," said John Mullen, CEO DHL Express. "This acquisition will support the DHL Express strategy with particular emphasis on renewing and updating the network supporting operations that serve the U.S. market."

As the third largest express operator in the U.S. market, DHL said it is striving to expand its overall leadership in the global express business. "DHL's high-volume express operations require a freighter that has proven capabilities in terms of utilization and schedule reliability. The 767 Freighter has exactly those attributes," said Marlin Dailey, vice president Sales for Europe, Russia and Central Asia, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. The order is valued at $894 million at list prices. The fuel efficient Boeing 767 Freighter has low noise levels which meet or exceed international Chapter 3 noise requirements"

Joe Hete would never buy a new aircraft! It makes more sense for ABX to fly these than ASTAR we could do it a lot cheaper. Mostly because of our crappy ACMI agreement. And the fact that we are allready flying the type.

cvg2iln

9th March 2007, 18:59

I doubt if these 767s are going to European operators. ABX already does have about 50 of them, Astar doesn't have any but both carriers move freight more or less only in DHL's domestic US market. My bet is on using Atlas to fly them internationally under the Polar certificate. Whales are getting expensive to run.

RAFAT

9th March 2007, 19:10

Thanks hvydriver. :ok:

Kougarok

9th March 2007, 21:22

I am telling you ABX all the way! Our standards guys have been working on ETOPS for a couple of years and we are allready flying quite a bit of international charter, mostly to South America. Of course only time will tell.

hvydriver

9th March 2007, 23:31

True that only time will tell, Kougarok. Although, there is the small matter of ABX getting Appendix A approval. I'm leaning more towards EAT/DHL UK, or Polar. Personally, I can't believe that DHL has actually gone out and gotten brand new a/c for anyone. LOL

neil armstrong

10th March 2007, 05:47

Yep new aircraft !! before you know it we will get a proper pay rise and better benefits:}

Neil

ironbutt57

10th March 2007, 11:13

Read the press release hvy driver...it specifies DHL's US operations...

hvydriver

10th March 2007, 11:46

I did read the release. Mullen said it was to support DHL US operations. It's nebulous enough that you could spin his statement many different ways till they actually say what they're going to do with them. I'm sure that was the idea, to keep everyone guessing.

RampTramp

12th March 2007, 16:57

By 'supporting operations that serve the US market', it is very likely they will be used point to point across the pond as Floppy states. I've gotta agree 'cos he got the info. from me & what does he mean 'rumour to the extreme'?

Most likely they will be US registered, especially as the EU is preparing to lay down & be screwed by the Yanks into selling out on 7th freedoms.

'Nuff said, any more & I'd have to shoot you.

RT

MaxBlow

13th March 2007, 14:48

We hear the same rumours here in old mainland Europe that Deutsche (=German) Post applied for a German AOC already. As LEJ will be the future 'super-hub' for their network and other airlines like LH cargo I hope these ships will be on a D-reg.
For DHL LEJ could be just like what Louisville is to UPS.
Politics aside, it´s about time they´ve their very own airline.
Btw. Fedex is flying inter European routes and does not allow subcontractors with jets. Small stuff only. UPS is using some jets but still fly most of the inter European routes as well.
Whatever the big guys decide - let´s hope they create some quality pilot jobs!:D

Daysleeper

13th March 2007, 15:39

Politics aside, it´s about time they´ve their very own airline.

They do have their very own airline, 2 of them infact. EAT and DHL AIR.

DIRRIK

13th March 2007, 16:03

"Fedex is flying inter European routes and does not allow subcontractors with jets"
not for long anymore.

Black Knat

13th March 2007, 19:11

Oh dear! From some of the above postings it would seem that some of you guys aren't very up to date on the players and their hardware!!

sapco2

15th March 2007, 06:03

DPWN have a stated group policy of preferring to outsource; so, for those of us who are directly employed by the DHL group (DHK & EAT), we probably shouldn't expect to see much change or any further expansion.

I read somewhere that DPWN and Lufthansa Cargo are going to be in intense negotiations over the next 4 months to thrash out a long haul linked program from the new LEJ superhub. The scale of the link is supposed to be much larger even than the recent Polar acquisition, which caters in part, for their outsourcing strategy in the USA.

Strong links between the two German companies (DPWN & Lufthansa) already exist, and let's face it - who can blame either company for wanting to protect their home market?

fow

27th July 2007, 10:10

Does DHLAIR and EAT will become one big airline, the new DHL/LH airline?

RampTramp

27th July 2007, 15:00

FOW,

No, Newco will concentrate on long haul, both DHL Air & EAT will remain in existence as separate entities for the immediate future.

RT

ironbutt57

27th July 2007, 15:22

And on another note....found this press release...http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp? also found this person on the master "jumpseat protection" (scab) good luck with any negotiations gentleman:ok:

layinlow

31st July 2007, 12:53

With the mention of Fed Ex my ears perked up. Fed Ex's status in Europe is about due for a change with the arrival of 20 757's , starting later this year and running into next year. It is their intention of establishing a dominate position in Europe. Given the success in China and India, they just might do it.

mmeteesside

1st August 2007, 19:31

If this is true (Fedex 757's) where does that leave Air Contractors with their ATR's flying for Fedex? What happened to the 733's that ABR were getting?

despegue

7th September 2007, 10:56

BlueBird will be the B737 operator for DHL.
Expect them to grow considerably.

Hogg

12th October 2007, 14:34

Dont know if its written in stone that Bluebird getting the Dhl B733 contract as i know Air Contractors have one wet leased not just to evaluate it but also for wetlease Dhl/Post work? Eh Ramptramp maybe you can correct me?
Also interesting that B752 EI-LTA is now on the Acl "books" and is as far as I know now in India for Blue Dart Aviation.
In addition to 2 A300B4s be wet leased to EAT an Atr is being placed with Dhl to operate Cgn-Ema 5 night a week.
Having spent a few hours in Leipzig recently and taken part in loading repositioning unloading trials i must say Im very impressed indeed with the hub, the managing director gave me a thorough tour of the facility and good to see the first A300 C? check taking place in the hangar which is huge. Also got an indoor smoking area :D .The roadways around the ramp are one way only so I think thatll slow down ramp traffic. Very enthusiastic ground ops were in place overseen by an old friend from EMA Hub but with the start of ops Im sure itll run very well without constant guidance from 4 corners!!!!
theres a canteen with dhl cups n saucers (didnt get one)! := both male and female sleeping bunks different ids required to get in, a shower wash facility, it points, tvs etc.
No need to get a flat ..........just move in! :p
Time will tell if i get a chance to operate from there.
Hogg

Mr Angry from Purley

12th October 2007, 19:25

Hogg
EI-LTA is in Jacksonville i understand awaiting an engine , enroute to DUB then Chennai next week. Interesting abou the CGN-EMA must find out if we can use the jumpseats if any.
BBD 737 already in the network and more coming Winter operating ex ARN mainly. I think ACL have a 737 in the system under the Aeroposte (?) disguise running ex BGY?.
Sure hope you'll become a perm feature in LeJ :\

Hogg

13th October 2007, 14:41

Thanks for that Angry. Clarified as still trying catch up with all the developments after my period of freight inactivity!!!!:)

MMMMMM wonder if they need a ferry crew :rolleyes:

neil armstrong

13th October 2007, 15:00

Dream on Hogg thats a management flight!
LEJ will be fun ,as soon as DHL will have completed the move there will be a big strike for higher wages ,compaired to other local jobs DHL pays bottom wages.
Looking forward on touring the building though

Neil

Mr Angry from Purley

13th October 2007, 15:25

Neil
Needs a test flight in accordance with the Boeing delivery so only 2 persons in DHK can do it (originally EAT doing it). Makes sense then for that person to bring it to DUB as well as him having a US Crew Visa and ETOPS experience. Then DUB-Chennai is the Project Manager and a DHK Pilot with a Indian visa. EAT alledgedly tried it without a visa and he nearly ended up in the clink!
The Mgmt flight is a there n back to BGY by the way :\

Plus Hoggy did 4 B757 deliverys for Kras Air Mia-Dub best one being EI-DUD!!! And I gots a valid Indian business Visa. Send u the pics Neil ha ha. In Cph nxt week neway:p