Jet Airways Information

[robbinson]

Hey, can anyone tell me what an F/O can expect to make working for Jet Airways on the 737-800.

[mini cooper]

Heard that Jet are getting B777s, is this true?

:)

[Jet_Settin]

10 B777's on Firm Order.....Plus 10 Options
Deliveries start March 2007

[Jet_Settin]

One more coming on lease by Oct-Nov.

The 10 firm orders also start 1st quarter 2007....

Aim to get bout one widebody a month (777 or 330)
and like i said earlier.....10 options of both too

[fullforward]

Check your PM, please.

[Jet_Settin]

The 340's are on a 3 year lease from SAA....
The 330's start being delivered from first quarter 2007....dont exactly remember the delivery schedule

[tonylollo]

Hey Jet Settin you seem to know whats going on at Jet........................
A few mates are complaining a bit about the new Management there, some ex- Etihad guy it seems. I always thought that the Jet contract was a decent one either direct or via an Agency whatever suits, but is this new guy really so bad. Dont want to move from bad to worse.........:( :(
Thanks

[teeepee]

One more coming on lease by Oct-Nov.

The 10 firm orders also start 1st quarter 2007....

Aim to get bout one widebody a month (777 or 330)
and like i said earlier.....10 options of both too////hi would you know where could i send my resume for a possible consideration as one of their crew in the future? i used to fly with a major airline in asia ty:)

[Jet_Settin]

Chief Pilot-Line Ops : Capt. Nikhil Ved
Email : [email protected]
Cell : +91-9870327546
Tel : +9122-28506846 , ext 1503



that new ex-etihad guy who's come.....well i just got one word to describe him............PRICK!!!!
hope this helps :O

[tonylollo]

Thanks Jetsettin was just checking if it was the same guy that we had all heard about. Shame really why do airlines that are doing well always bring someone into screw it up..... Up until a few months ago had heard glowing reports about Jet, unfortunately it only takes one bad apple to rot the rest.. Good luck , think I will stay put or may apply to Spicejet hear they are a friendly little bunch..... With big plans.:ok: :ok:

[EAM]

What do they pay for CPT and F/Os on A330 with european base, how will the roster look like?

[proflyer9]

Thanks Jetsettin was just checking if it was the same guy that we had all heard about. Shame really why do airlines that are doing well always bring someone into screw it up..... Up until a few months ago had heard glowing reports about Jet, unfortunately it only takes one bad apple to rot the rest.. Good luck , think I will stay put or may apply to Spicejet hear they are a friendly little bunch..... With big plans.:ok: :ok:

Hi T'lollo....
I know this off the track, but do u mind explaining what "big plans" does Spicejet have? Thx

Cheers

[tonylollo]

Hello Proflyer............

Well they are getting new NGs, nothing on the scale of Jet admitedly but I have heard nice things about the company. I hear the Director of Ops is a thoroughly nice person. Its not always about the bucks it sometimes comes down to how people treat you .......................:ok:

[proflyer9]

Hello Proflyer............
Well they are getting new NGs, nothing on the scale of Jet admitedly but I have heard nice things about the company. I hear the Director of Ops is a thoroughly nice person. Its not always about the bucks it sometimes comes down to how people treat you .......................:ok:


Thanks T'lollo. If u dont treat ur crew good, eventually the frustrations reflect in the cockpit!!!!! Kudos to spice:D

Any info on these guys ever starting international flights??

Cheers mate:ok:

[EAM]

Nobody there who knows about salary and condition?:rolleyes:

[RAT 5]

Can someone please publish some contacts for Spice? And any details about their T's & C's. A comparison with Jet would be interesting. Do they have the same demand for trainers as Jet does? What about bases. Any first hand infomation will be much appreciated.
The same is true for any trainers in Jet. Please share your experiences and opinions.

[EAM]

Noone out there who is flying for Jet and wants to share his exerience?
Anyone who knows about T&C, or who has been contacted by their recruitment?

[Ravian]

Captain Maninder Singh: 9811117571
Rajni (Flight Ops): 9818314185)

[lucky_strike]

I applied to Jet more than a month ago for Local Trainee F/O position but havent heard anything from them , They used to usually have writtens on regular basis , wonder whats happening there ?!?! And at Spicejet ..

[Wylee coyote]

Jet's got a hiring freeze on now, but there's alot of new aircraft coming next year so who knows?

[NG_Kaptain]

The agency I've signed with e-mailed me today asking me to apply for the Jet position, so something is going on. Maybe their ramping up for next year?

[InitRef]

Heard that Jet flightops has a 777 program started, and service to US/EWR is being planned for.

[B737NG]

Presently Jet does not have the permission to fly to the US. That is a big hold up in the operation plus two of the Ethihad pricks in the wall. Stay away until the bad apple is out of the basket. It was good there and it is a fact that it takes just one guy to screw to climate totaly. March is not a date anymore for delivery and April is as well canned. Make out of it what you want but I would not put my hand up for it in this stage. The Sahara deal felt thru and just this week a Court ruling freed the Escrow account for Jet´so they got the deposit for the deal back. That helps to lower the cost but the lost domestic market shares of almost 20% in two year is a challenge as well. It is more complex to grow from a regional operator to a global one then place some order to Chicago and Toulouse. As quoted in a earlier threat the newly appointed man in the ranks does not built confidence that it is a desirable company. It is up to the man and woman there to get rid of him asap for theire own sake and future. On the other side there are obstacles in the operation due to the outdated DGCA regulation. The growth is faster then 5 years ago ever expected. It is time as well for the regulator to pick up the pace and grow as well. Some regulation ar outdated and instead of changing the regulation or simply delete some outdated parts they DGCA grants excemptions from the present rule. That can be canceled every time and the excemption is not a good base to put a foot on. It can be granted one day and to one operator. The next day another operator wants the same he has to apply for another excemption of the outdated rule and that costs time and money and when the permission is granted the situation is changed and sometime not worth anymore to persue. The Aviation act needs to be changed to the needs of Aviation in India in the 21th Century and not backdated in the late 19th Century anymore. That will take time and the grow is not stopping. Just try this: Change a wheel on a car who makes about 120 km/hr, 65mph, and you cannot stop it but the tire is flat..... that is how Indian Aviation is moving.


Fly safe and land happy

NG

[InitRef]

Thanks NG :ok:

Didn't know the US flights were not approved yet...

I thought the flight ops/special projects mgr doing the 777 intro was ex-Air India? Seemed to be a nice guy and professional.

[tonylollo]

Hi Ng. Well read your mail with dismay so they are both there are they......... screwing up ? I can assure you that myself and a few of my colleagues and pals, especially ex- Etihad wont go anywhere near Jet until they have gone. Does he take his side-kick with him everywhere? Surely Jet must know what they have taken on............. I think the whole of Aviation knows the Etihad story surely their Managers are not so naieve.
sad: :sad: :sad:

[LOKE]

Can someone shed some light on the Etihad story relative to these two individuals at Jet Airways.
Appreciate any information,
LL

[Pushpak]

Hi guys might as well name the two....its good to expose such people.
cheers

[Aeronotix]

Its only fair that the names of these two be made known so that other fellow pilots dont fall prey to such p****s and avoid airlines that employ them.

Aeronotix.

[topoftheloop]

Agree, tell us more details if it is true !

[LOKE]

I was more interested in what they have done rather than who they were. Does it affect training, hiring, safety, living accommodations, workload, moral – everything?

LL

[cayenne]

They always stay together. Do a search on Etihad, go back about a year and half, and it explains it all. There are lots of people back in AUH that are looking forward to seeing them again somewhere for a little reunion.

[tonylollo]

Everyone knows these two ..........s to be the a..................s of Aviation, so what are Jet thinking of by taking them, What do they expect to gain........ I think Jet have enough problems didnt they loose dosh to Air Sahara, they certainly could be about to loose a bit more:= := and you are right they travel in pairs only. Cannot screw people on their own. ex - cops I hear ........... although not
100% sure where I heard

[Easy Ryder]

Hello has anyone taken advantage of the European basing with Jet Airways? If so how's it going?

Can anyone expand further on the trouble these 2 guys from EY have caused in the past? I tried a search but had no luck in reading anything.......juicy!

Cheers

[Rieke]

...ex police
...ex LTU
..ex VOLARE
..ex ETIHAD
hopefully very soon ex JETAIRWAYS
I guess after these two psychos are fired Jet will get alot of applications from high qualified pilots

[B737NG]

Just got a call today with more bad news: Capt. Gustav Baldauf is leaving next month and the B777 is mostlikely a canned project. The A330 will go ahead, I just wonder why. Another Asian Carrier is interested to take the slots of the 10 Aircraft on order who has allready some B777´s. The field is then free for the two specialists. Let´s see how south JETAIRWAYS goes. Mr Goyal did not imagine what headache he got.

Fly safe and land happy

NG

[sec 3]

Thats bad news for Jet,Gustav is an excellent guy.Where is he going? Why are the 777's being shelved, lack of experienced type rated Boeing pilots available?:confused:

[7sex7]

is there any xpat fo's on the 737 yet? pay n conditions like?

tq

[WERNERTHEGREAT]

TO the previous post; Can you confirm that WB has been run out or departed from Jet already.
I will sit and enjoy a drink tonight knowing that peice of s&é" has had to leave another company. He is such worthless asshole and i had hoped that somehow he might have dissapeared somewhere in the bowels of some dark place in India.
Maybe now some people from Etihad might consider positions with jet knowing that he is not there? :D
Good luck Jet

[MR8]

Maybe that's where EK got their additional 7 B777 to fill the gap regarding A380 delays. ??

MR8

[Rieke]

If the rumors are tru and Jet is looking for experienced TRE on the 330 -let me know. If the psychos are still there do not even think about to apply.

[Riker]

If the rumors are tru and Jet is looking for experienced TRE on the 330 -let me know. If the psychos are still there do not even think about to apply.

For someone who is not familiar with these people or that situation, can someone give a quick recap of what they did?

Cheers

[EAM]

For someone who is not familiar with these people or that situation, can someone give a quick recap of what they did?
Cheers


Why? Seems YOU know ALL about it. So you can tell us.

If someone doesnt like them, just dont go there!:bored:

[etihada]

congratulations Jet for getting this piece of !!!! out,:D hope tante gerda
will follow

[Vimd23]

Hiya , the 777 selection dates are out again , sometime in Dec 06 , training starts in Jan 07..... this is news !!!

Cheers
vimd23

[jettison valve]

SEC 3,

I suspect Gustav B. will return to AUA; he was only seconded to JAI...
And I agree: He´s a nice guy!

Cheers,
J.V.

[1000 hrs]

Is it true that the basic salary around 12,000 usd/m ?:rolleyes:

[rdr]

hi there, would appreciate any light on the 777 t&c's

[GUSTO]

Hi All

Anybody knows how long does it take to get the security clearance ?

I sent my papers 2 months ago and still no news .

Thanks

[fullforward]

For whom it may concern: looks like the all time hated WB will be conducting interviews for 777 DECs by early December.
Again: objectively, what this guy did so bad in the past?

[Vimd23]

Hi , did a flight the other day, where two expat Capts were operating , but because of some insensible rule that the DGCA has , I was put on a CLASSIC aircraft as supernumery even though I was endorsed on the NG . This was just to fulfill the requirement of having an Indian on board when two expats are operating ,I found that the expats were fine on their own , with the exception of the radio as the english was accentuated and therefore required some quick communication . It looks like it not far off from having expat F/O's on the flightdeck , but there again , the DGCA and the govt can hold them back until they see fit that all the pilot pool , including those currently in training are employed. Just FYI guys. Also heard that they have inducted EXPAT F/O's on the classic , alot of them from Germany , they are awaitng the DGCA aproval for begining their conversion.

vimd23

[seniortrash]

Pilot Conditions
Contract Length Renewable three year contract subject to Indian DGCA approval.
Basic Fee (Net)
TRE - USD 12,500 per month
TRI/LTC - USD 12,000 per month
Line Captain - USD 11,000 per month

Flying Hours
Minimum 80 block standard flying hours/month

Qualifications
Following minimum qualifications are necessary:
TRE – 4,500 Total Hours including 1,250 hrs on type as PIC with a minimum of 50 hrs instructional experience on type.
TRI – 4,000 Total Hours including 1,000 hrs on type as PIC with a minimum of 50 hrs instructional experience on type.
Line Captain – 3,000 Total Hours including 500 on type as PIC with a minimum flown in the last 6 months of 100 hrs.

Pilots be the right hand seat qualified also.

Screening Process
The Airline will be responsible for all costs associated with short listed Crew Members attending a screening/selection process. The costs will include air tickets, ground transportation and accommodation.

Overtime Payment
US$ 150 net per hour over an 80 hours/month.

Base
Europe (at an International Airport nearest to your home town)

Leave
30 days paid leave in 12 months (pro-rated for any part of year).

Sick leave
12 days sick leave in 12 months

License Renewal / Medical / Proficiency
The Crew Member is responsible for renewing his license, medicals and proficiency from the jurisdiction of the licensing authority of the crew member’s home country. This is to be taken in consultation with the Airline and the Crew Member. This period is included in the Annual Leave period mentioned above.

Travel for duty
Company shall provide you low cost return ticket to reach the departure airport one day prior to the assigned flight duty. You will be provided with one overnight stay in the respective crew hotel. At the end of the flight duty you will return to your home as per Company records.
Travel Benefits
Jet Airways shall make travel benefits available to the Crew Member and his qualifying family members, including ID travel, according to Jet Airways’ current policies.

Taxation
Earnings will be subject to applicable tax laws of your base country or India or country of posting as may be applicable.

Non Compete
Unless dismissed by Jet Airways or contract terminated by mutual agreement, Pilot may not be assigned to another airline in India for a period of 12 months unless this is waived in writing by Jet Airways.

RHS
Pilots should obtain right hand seat qualification

[purr]

DGCA has approved expat F/O to join JET:ok:

[EAM]

Good news, does anybody know the T&C for expat A330 F/Os with european base?
When will they start interviewing?

[el caballero rojo]

Hi,

that is what I got:

The revised SIM schedule in ZRH is as under :

Interview / Sim Session : 5th Dec 0600 hrs - 1000 hrs local time
6th Dec 0630 hrs - 1030 hrs local time
7th Dec 1845 hrs - 2245 hrs local time
8th Dec 1445 hrs - 1845 hrs local time
9th Dec 1030 hrs - 1430 hrs local time

The SIM slot for 4th Dec stands cancelled.

Venue and other contents of the earlier email remain unchanged. You are requested to re-confirm the slots and your availability accordingly.
I am not aware of the T/C´s for DE F/O´s on the 330 altough I was invited for a F/O 330 position

[tonylollo]

Just received first hand knowledge that WBS and his side-kick are still very much in control at Jet................... Captain Gustav still there too, no idea what his title is now that the 2 Henchman are in control. Sp guess there will be lots of guys staying in the Middle East eh Cayenne???:{ :{

[Dmax]

Does anybody know how is the screening for 737 Classic F/O? All details are welcome :) (where, when, how etc.)

Thank you guys,

Davide

[hpcock]

Hi Dmax

Due to the shortage of 9W's classic fleet - they would, I'm sure, prefer you to have an NG Rating with atleast 500hrs PIC on type before applying to them.

However, if you have a bagful of "Classic time" I reckon they'd be happy to hear from you.

Good Luck
HPC

[Dmax]

The fact is that they sent me a "your CV is suitable for 737 Classic FO position", and they will call soon for the further process screening. On my licence I have 737-300/900 but the training was only on B737 Classic. Italian misteries....

Davide

[hpcock]

Dmax

Check yr PM

[midden]

Hi guys.

I have a test/interveiw next mounth.

So what to expect, is it only a sim test or a lot of other kinds of tests, I have not got all the details about the test yet.

Anyone been through it.
How to prepare.
Hope somebody can give info about it

I am lowtimer with a type rating on B737 and no hours on type.

Regards
Johnson-Sweden
[email protected]

[Pretzel]

Does anyone know what questions they like to ask in the Technical interviews!?? Type specific?? indian aviation law?? And does anyone have any idea what type of physcometric tests they use?! Hasta

[intake]

OK people, who's got the info on this operation. Have been sent email for FO737. Looking for info on salary (is it tax free, if not whats the tax rate), accommadation(does the company provide), are expat's with time on type and wide body time getting upgrades or going onto the bus, is travel for screening paid for by company?? Any info please. Not interested in who's still working there or who's a ********, just after some factual info to make an informed decision. Thanks in advance....intake

[Vimd23]

Hi Intake , just FYI , I maybe completely wrong here , but from my lile view point , I am sure that expats , will not get UPGRADES to the widebody or from F/O to PIC . I think along the lines of the fact that expats are here to help us tide over the shortage of trained locals until such time as needed. PIC exapts come with 500 hrs on type as PIC . No upgrades have so far been mentioned and I doubt they will be in the near future as the SWIP ( another name for 9w local pilots association ) will not agree to it in the interest of career progression of locals.
Anyways , having said all that , I maybe COMPLETELY wrong , but thats my 2 cents worth.

cheers and safe flying
vimd23

[skygod]

hi guys,
Just wandering if any 1 can shed some light on jet aiways payscale for the B737 NG F.O position. Got the email saying your cv is suitable for the NG position, still standing by for a reply from them, for interview dates. Any help will be greatly appreciated..!!!

rgds
happy landings

[InitRef]

Just received first hand knowledge that WBS and his side-kick are still very much in control at Jet................... Captain Gustav still there too, no idea what his title is now that the 2 Henchman are in control. Sp guess there will be lots of guys staying in the Middle East eh Cayenne???:{ :{

Tony, that is strange - just heard from senior 9W source that the 2 were already sacked....

[fullforward]

Heard this guy will be conducting interviews in Germany by early December...

[ibcd]

hi guys,
Just wandering if any 1 can shed some light on jet aiways payscale for the B737 NG F.O position. Got the email saying your cv is suitable for the NG position, still standing by for a reply from them, for interview dates. Any help will be greatly appreciated..!!!

rgds
happy landings

All those receiving feedback/Interview invitation from Jet, are you all type rated on either 737's or 340/330's? Or has any non type-rated expat applicant received any interview invitation?

ibcd

[intake]

Hello again, just received email confriming my screening but have no knowledge of terms and conditions(737FO Expat). Have emailed Jet but yet to get any response. Someone out there must have been for interview and have the details!! At this stage I'm not prepared to go for screening until I know what I'm getting into. :ugh: Thanks intake.....

[Panther06]

All those receiving feedback/Interview invitation from Jet, are you all type rated on either 737's or 340/330's? Or has any non type-rated expat applicant received any interview invitation?

ibcd

Asked to come for a 737 sim check December or January for 737 Classic DEC. I am typed on the A330 (all F/O time) and typed on the 737 300/400 with 11,150 hrs in 737 with 4500 hrs Captain

[jetjockey696]

Please can anyone help.....Does anybody know the format of the interview. What they ask? technical etc. and of course the sim.:confused:

what I have been reading there is nothing about the interviews, sim etc.:ugh:

Any info would be grateful :ok:

thanks
jj696

[flycold]

I also invited for screening.
any infos(test, payscale etc) will be helpful to me.
Thank you for your replies and PMs previously :ok:

[intake]

Ok so nobody prepared to give any info on terms and conditions! Not even the company!! They will not reply to the email I sent them. Just wondering how many of you are prepared to go to this screening without knowing pay, conditions etc? not me thanks intake:=

[El-Chili]

8 weeks on
2 weeks off

Pay is
Line captain $8700
TRI 9700
TRE 10200

Went for screening, all good.
But they are extreemly unorganized.
IST= Indian Strechable Time
Have waited 4+ months for security clearence.
And, by mistake, they just invited me for screening (again)? :ugh:

[GUSTO]

I Agree with EL CHILI ,

They have had some resignation in management and now their new guys are a bit behind . The clearance can take anything from 1 month after screening to 5 months.

Screening is pretty standard with sim check , few tech questions and few personnal questions , past history , experience on type , and questions like " why do you want to work for Jet Airways ? " , etc ...

That's for Captain , I am pretty sure it will be the same for F/Os.

Good luck

[el caballero rojo]

Conditions of Employment for A330 European Base
– Jet Airways

Pilot Conditions
Contract Length Renewable three year contract subject to Indian
DGCA approval.
Basic Fee (Net) TRE - USD 12,500 per month
TRI/LTC - USD 12,000 per month
Line Captain - USD 11,000 per month
Flying Hours Minimum 80 block standard flying hours/month
Qualifications Following minimum qualifications are necessary:

TRE – 4,500 Total Hours including 1,250 hrs on type as PIC with a minimum of 50 hrs instructional experience on type.

TRI – 4,000 Total Hours including 1,000 hrs on type as PIC with a minimum of 50 hrs instructional experience on type.

Line Captain – 3,000 Total Hours including 500 on type as PIC with a minimum flown in the last 6 months of 100 hrs.

Pilots be the right hand seat qualified also.
Screening Process The Airline will be responsible for all costs associated with short listed Crew Members attending a screening/selection process. The costs will include air tickets, ground transportation and accommodation.
Overtime Payment US$ 150 net per hour over an 80 hours/month.
Base Europe (at an International Airport nearest to your home town)
Leave
30 days paid leave in 12 months (pro-rated for any part of year).

Sick leave 12 days sick leave in 12 months
License Renewal / Medical / Proficiency The Crew Member is responsible for renewing his license, medicals and proficiency from the jurisdiction of the licensing authority of the crew member’s home country. This is to be taken in consultation with the Airline and the Crew Member. This period is included in the Annual Leave period mentioned above.
Travel for duty Company shall provide you low cost return ticket to reach the departure airport one day prior to the assigned flight duty. You will be provided with one overnight stay in the respective crew hotel. At the end of the flight duty you will return to your home as per Company records.

Travel Benefits Jet Airways shall make travel benefits available to the Crew Member and his qualifying family members, including ID travel, according to Jet Airways’ current policies.
Taxation Earnings will be subject to applicable tax laws of your base country or India or country of posting as may be applicable.
Non Compete Unless dismissed by Jet Airways or contract terminated by mutual agreement, Pilot may not be assigned to another airline in India for a period of 12 months unless this is waived in writing by Jet Airways.
RHS Pilots should obtain right hand seat qualification

[Dmax]

Hi guys,

I'm still waiting for the dates in january for the screening. Does anyone that go for the december's screenings know the details about that?

Do you know if it will be an equal assessment? I mean, separated experienced 737 pilots assessment from not-experienced 737 pilots?

Cheers
Davide

[flycold]

I'm still waiting for exact screening date confirmation(for screening in JAN).

Is there any guys got some confirmation from Jet Airways?

Cheers ^^*

[Dmax]

Hey guys,

today I've recieved the date of my screening. They also said that they will send the Invitation Letter for the Indian VISA. Tomorrow I will call the Indian Embassy in Rome for details about the VISA;
Do you think that there is few time to issue a VISA? Hoping that they will send me the Invitation Letter soon...

I've also bought the flight tickets cause there are few seats available!

What a rush...

Davide

[flycold]

Are you scheduled in DEC?

I wish your accomplishment! :ok:



Hey guys,

today I've recieved the date of my screening. They also said that they will send the Invitation Letter for the Indian VISA. Tomorrow I will call the Indian Embassy in Rome for details about the VISA;
Do you think that there is few time to issue a VISA? Hoping that they will send me the Invitation Letter soon...

I've also bought the flight tickets cause there are few seats available!

What a rush...

Davide

[El-Chili]

Take it easy guys.

After the screening, they do not rush anything.
The admin is hilariously lousy.

Bad bad bad bad deal....

Stay ahead, and find something else.

[crome]

congratulations Jet for getting this piece of !!!! out,:D hope tante gerda
will follow

Unfortunatly not this crazzy piece yet in JET and of course, he wanna that all expat leave, maybe he can do a company with out pilots??????ehehehehehehehehhe i don`t know if he is clever or crazzy. I just know that is doing all hate him......poor guy.nobody hear him.

[crome]

TO the previous post; Can you confirm that WB has been run out or departed from Jet already.
I will sit and enjoy a drink tonight knowing that peice of s&é" has had to leave another company. He is such worthless asshole and i had hoped that somehow he might have dissapeared somewhere in the bowels of some dark place in India.
Maybe now some people from Etihad might consider positions with jet knowing that he is not there? :D
Good luck Jet
he there a bit hidden but every doing his :mad: .

[Mick Jagger]

Does anyone know about per diems on the europe basings? Also about medical benefits. I am applying for the B777 DEC job

Thanks

[Dmax]

Well, has someone done the 16-17 december screening for Jet Airways for 737 FO position?

I'm currently waiting for the VISA from the Embassy of India in Rome; they are a little confused because it's the first time they see a request of VISA for a pilot screening and also after having the Invitation Letter from the Airline (arrived late...) they are evaluating and keeping me waiting....Hope I manage to get the visa, there are few days available...

However, have you some details from the december screening?

Regards
Davide

[neilb767]

Mick Jagger

How did you apply for the 777 DEC ?

I looked on there web site and it does not give an option for 777 application ?

thanks

[Aeronotix]

Yes, he is very much there crome. Designated V.P. Operations.
Reports to Capt. Ray Heiniger who is the very big boss of ops.

Aeronotix:*

[jet777]

You got a little mixed here Aeronotix.. WB is the very big boss of Flt Ops and not Ray H.. All report to WB...

[russellpeters]

anybody have any info on wb please let me know .

[EAM]

anybody have any info on wb please let me know .

No problem, WB ex LTU CPT, freelancer with Volare and VP OPS with Etihad,
now VP OPS with Jet Airways.

Is that what you wanted to know?

[el caballero rojo]

Conditions of Employment for Type Rated Wide Body
First Officers – A330/340

Pilot Conditions
Contract Length Renewable Three Year contract subject to Indian DGCA approval.
Basic Fee F/O with 1000 hours and above with Type Rating on fleet - USD 6,600 net per month

F/O upto 1000 hours with Type Rating on fleet - USD 5,700 net per month
Qualifications Following minimum qualifications are necessary:

100 hours and line released on type
Screening Process The Airline will be responsible for all costs associated with short listed Crew Members attending a screening/selection process. The costs will include air tickets, ground transportation and accommodation.
Flying Hours 80 hours per month
Overtime (above 80 hours flying p/m) F/O 1000 hours and above - USD 88 net per hour

F/O upto 1000 hours - USD 77 net per hour
Base Mumbai, Delhi, Calcutta, Chennai, Bangalore
Crew Roster Pilots will be scheduled on a 6 weeks ON 2 weeks OFF basis
Leave 28 days paid leave in 12 months (pro-rated for any part of year).

License Renewal / Medical / Proficiency The Crew Member is responsible for renewing his license, medicals and proficiency from the jurisdiction of the licensing authority of the crew member’s home country. This is to be taken in consultation with the Airline and the Crew Member. This period is included in the Annual Leave period mentioned above. Details of expiry of medical and license renewal to be provided on joining.
Sick leave 10 days sick leave in 12 months
Accommodation The Company shall provide you with a 2 bedroom furnished accommodation in a residential locality / single room hotel accommodation at the option of the Company. In case you source your own accommodation you shall be paid USD 1800 p.m as accommodation expenses plus INR 10,000 for incidental expenses.

Travel Benefits Jet Airways shall make travel benefits available to the Crew Member and his qualifying family members, including ID travel, according to Jet Airways’ current policies. Family shall mean legally married spouse and 2 children upto the age of 24 years.
Initial Travel The Airline shall arrange and pay for the costs of positive space economy class air tickets for the Crew Members’ travel from their Home Residence to the Base Residence at the beginning of the contract and from the Base Residence to their Home Residence at the completion of the Assignment Period.
Excess Baggage Each Crew Member will be reimbursed the cost of excess baggage allowance of 50 kgs. At commencement and termination of assignment. The same can be claimed through petty cash voucher available with the Expat Cell
Taxation Jet Airways will be responsible for taxation in India
Non Compete Unless dismissed by Jet Airways or contract terminated by mutual agreement, Pilot may not be assigned to another airline in India for a period of 12 months unless this is waived in writing by Jet Airways.

[777-223ER]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16437185/

787's to start arriving July 2011. Meanwhile the B777-300ER and A330-200's areset to be begin delivery in March/April '07.

[el caballero rojo]

NO, there is not one. I wouldn´t count on it as it is all depending on the fact that they do not need you anymore if they find locals.(subjest to DCGA approval)

[EAM]

I´d like to point out one thing, in FI they were looking for A330/A340 and B777 F/Os for european base, but in their T&C a european base is not mentioned, only idian bases like Mumbai, Chennai, etc on a 6weeks ON, 2 weeks OFF schedule.
So I would be carefull in what ever they promise you, and dont forget, its only a 3 years contract.:rolleyes:

[boeingdream787]

Hi,
They have just advertised today in a leading indian daily for FO's on 330/340's and 777's.Requirment is 1000 hrs jet time.FYI.Cheers.

[jetjockey696]

Hi Guys


Has anyone received any dates for the January interview..or had it yet.

I getting worried, I feel that they have forgotten about us.:hmm:

[EAM]

Dates out for 15.-18. Jan.

[strummerdude]

I did my sim evaluation for the left seat of the 73NG. It was very basic. There really wasn't a formal interview. We had a conversation before the sim over a decent cup of tea. What we had flown, where, for how long, etc... I got the impression they were making sure our hands and feet matched our logbooks.
It was very professional I'm looking forward to working there.
I'm trying to get an idea of the schedule over there for the 8 weeks incountry. Can anyone offer any info?
Thanx

[jetjockey696]

Hi guys

Anymore tips and clues out there for the screening and sim. from the boys/girls who just completed the screening in Jan/Dec

thanks

[NGFellow]

Does anyone know if you are better off going through an agency for JetAirways (aeropersonnel) or is it better to deal with the company directly and get better terms and conditions?

[guidof993]

Hi Guys ,

a lot of Pilots asking how it is with Jetairways. :ugh:

Here some hornest Infos after one Year working for them.
Rostering 6 days on 1 day off , but dont expect that you dont get disturbed on your day off. ( last day close to midnight , first day after off early morning :ouch: )
Money on Time.

Werner Borcherts emails to change contract details without negotiating concerned pilots ???????? in a rudest way :*

8 Weeks on 2 Weeks off , but now no travel days in front and after your block off anymore , so actualy 8 weeks on 12 to 11 days off.
80 Hours = 8700 US overtime 105 p H.
pick up and drop , Hotel ??????????????? , Appartment :confused:
Sim Checks , Medical on your own consideration and in your block off time of course.

Upgrade from 737 to 340 and 777 as expat forget it.
Some nice friends , FOs and Cpts in Germany with lot of experience , very disappointed during a outrageous Assessment by RWL with Mr Werner Borchert :suspect: and N.V.
Some will not start with jet as long as mr W.B. is in company.
Now the best = Tickets for your tavel block off , min 3 to 5 times to show up in SM Centre to get it few hours before your Travel , not on Jet then standby status.
Welcome in India.
DGCA works slower like escargots can walk , training ok.
Atc , i dont want to start otherwise this Letter will be TO LONG. :ugh: :eek:
Some FOs are not allowed to take of and land the Acft. and experiences close to zero , but only close.

Many happy Landings and lot of Air under all your wings Gentleman.
Hope my english was not to bad. :rolleyes:

Cpt G. :ok:

[Vimd23]

This account , is ACCURATE to the T , believe me gentlemen .

cheers
vimd23

[guidof993]

Hello all ,

i forgot. To be prepared to be a PRISONER between your

( ROOM very often without international TV , temporary broken Internet etc. like India is ) and

( CAR dirty stinky non english speaking stupid Drivers , i guess they thinks only 2 meters in front of his car he drives ) and

( COCKPIT dirty , basic Instruments , but still ok ).

Some nice Airline base Dehli with red Tail are the opposite.

HAPPY LANDINGS

Cpt G.

[guidof993]

Hello guys
see below all answers acc. your Questions ( in red )


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Yes it is too much , very often soooooooo tired :\

can you just do you 80hrs and then head home?
NO sometimes you have to fly up to 120 Hours in 30 Days but as soon you get overtime there try to give you standby :ugh:

Will they negotiate a 7/3?
I dont think so , why , there are flexible like high-grade steel. :}

> Can you talk to them at all about the terms of the contract or is it take it or leave it?
I dont know right now but i dont think so that you can negotiate anything. :ugh:

> There's about 5 of us here waiting for our security clearances but we'll probably turn it down at 8/2.
Please do yourself a favour and check the open market , also in India. ( Spicejet , Kingfisher , Air India Express they give you a home base in Europe , Buisiness Class Tickets home and more etc
Very important whenever you leave to be aware that you get your NOC = No Objection Certificate before you leave , otherwise you are blooked for 6 Month to work for any other indian Carrier :ok:
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[Vimd23]

I do agree with guido , the cockpits are dusty and dirty , but trust me thats on the older 737 that have been around for a few years or are due for a check soon. Kingfisher , well they have new shiny cockpits , but thats only because their planes a spanking new some not more than a month old. If you compare a month old KF A320 with one of our new b737 , I am sure u will find the same amount of dirt and dust on the both of them ( I am unclear of which aircraft guido last few , if he considers the 737 Ng cockpit as basic instruments only ) . The cars can do with work , but thats only with regards to the transports in bombay , the other bases have relatively well kept cars , clean as well , drivers on the other hand I am sure that there is no differenece between the airlines , as neither will have english speaking drivers in good numbers , taking a cue from guido's accentuated english I am sure that most of the english speaking one's will have problems when it comes to understanding him even if he does speak english with the clarity depicted here. Anyway's just my two cents worth .
cheers
vimd23

[flycold]

I would like to know any infos of security clearance process of DGCA.
Is this process formal?
What they do during 45days(as they mentioned) for security check?
Thank you very much previously & regards.
:ok:

[strummerdude]

How is the turnover rate for Expats? Are most lasting the full 3 years?

[NGFellow]

Guido has brought out some interesting points. In the 18 plus years with the airlines I have never had to "pay" for my proficiency check. Is that standard practice. I assume as a contractor you are now considered a "free agent." If so, what does it cost and where can you get it in India. Does it only apply to EU licenses or FAA/Canadian as well. The costs can add up if you get one twice a year with min 2 hrs sim per PC.

I am hearing a lot of nice things about Spicejet. What bases do they offer, and what are their terms and conditions. i.e. pay, rostering, and housing allowance. Do they also require you to pay for your recurrent.

As fas as English speaking drivers? Come on now--you are in India. Learn some of it to get by! I did a contract in Indonesia and South America years ago--can't expect the poor driver there to speak English. For that matter I was in Germany and the taxi driver refused to speak English.

[LOKE]

How are the accomidations while working for Jet Airways. I have seen references to both an apartment being offered as well as hotel accomidations. Are they adequate? I heard a few months ago that the accomidations offered had taken a turn for the worse - any truth to this?

Thanks for any information.

DP

[guidof993]

Hello Vimd23
to correct , not basic instruments , what i mean non PFD ND.
PFD ND like Ryan , Spicejet , Air Berlin , Excel Airways etc , what makes life much more easy.
Happy Landings
Cpt G. :ok:

[NGFellow]

Are you saying that the NG's have a different presentation at Jet for the PFD & ND? Here are some other questions?

1. Do they use VNAV ?

2. IAN approaches (also known as non-ILS approaches)

3. Autothrottle's

4.ACARS

5.CAT II/III approaches using Autoland?

[jstars2]

guidof993

You wrote in your post of 18 January 2007, in respect of Jet Airways:

“Sim Checks , Medical on your own consideration and in your block off time of course.”

This implies that the individual pilot is responsible for arranging and paying for his/her six-monthly flight simulator base checks.

Would you please categorically state that this is either the case or is not the case.

Best regards

jstars2

[NGFellow]

Any expats at Spice-? What are the terms & Conditions being offered? Also the bases, and accomodations allowances. At Jet/Spice is the 80 hrs based on block time (door open to door closed) or is the flight time (T/O to touchdown). Are you given credit for maintenance cancellations and/or weather delays?

Also anyone at Jet/Spice--Have you been able to negotiate anything other than the 8 weeks on/2 weeks off roster? I know AirIndia express is offering 7 days off in 30 days or the 8/2 schedule.

[FlyingCarpet]

"For further details please forward a current resume to [email protected]"

Anyone that received more details yet? I have not...

[Jet_Settin]

All Jet Airways NG's have an EFIS/MAP display (except the last one which just came VT-JGT....PFD/ND...to be used for BKK ops)

All NG's to be delivered now with PFD/ND

Yes we do use VNAV, Autothrottle....No ACARS

All NG's CAT-II certified

All rosters in Jet based on block time...but u get paid for actual time logged...
suppose rostered for 80....and logged 85...u get paid for 85

[flycold]

Captain, please check your PM sir.:ok:

All Jet Airways NG's have an EFIS/MAP display (except the last one which just came VT-JGT....PFD/ND...to be used for BKK ops)
All NG's to be delivered now with PFD/ND
Yes we do use VNAV, Autothrottle....No ACARS
All NG's CAT-II certified
All rosters in Jet based on block time...but u get paid for actual time logged...
suppose rostered for 80....and logged 85...u get paid for 85

[jetjockey696]

Hi Guys

What do they use in 737-800 sim. PFDs or Efis normally.

jj696

[FlyingCarpet]

Can anyone please write a bit about the living conditions in India as an expat pilot. Is it a big cultural chock? How is it to fly as FO with local captains? Big cultural differances there as well? Are there any expat captains in jet Airways?

[Dmax]

I give to everybody my experience regarding the Jet Airways B737 Classic F/O screening:

In November I received the email by 9W (Jet Airways) saying I was suitable for a B737 Classic FO position. After some days, they sent me the dates to choose from. I went for january's screenings.:E
As they delayed the delivery (by email!!!!) of the Invitation letter to get the Indian VISA at the Indian Embassy in Rome (I'm italian) to few days before Christmas, I needed to go in person to Rome (otherwise I wouldn't managed to do it via post) 2 times (by my own costs) and a total of 6 hours queue, during Christmas holidays.:mad:
On 2nd January I left Italy to reach India, Mumbai. I got the assessment (just 40 minutes in the B737-800 sim) and told to proceed to the Head Quarter to speak about result and flight tickets refund, as written in the emails.:rolleyes:
Once at the HQ, they told us (me, a Captain and another guy for F/O position) that we passed the assessment, and they showed us the contract details; they told "it will take about 45 days to have all the documentation to let you start flying".:eek:
As you can imagine, I was pretty happy, 86's teeth smile on my face.
I come back to Italy after 2 days travelling, tired (jet lag....:ugh: ).
I checked the incoming emails and I fund this email (that other guys received):

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Dear F/O

This is with reference to your application and subsequent screening.

We would like to inform you that we have following criteria for screening

B737 Screning

A minimum of 100 hours on type as P2
If 500 hours on multi-engine-then line released or total 1000 hours
Type rated on fleet
ICAO ATPL / frozen ATPL / CPL
License should be current with Class 1 medical
English language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)

You have cleared the screening however your selection is subject to fulfilling of above criteria. Request you to complete the minimum no. of hours and approach us.

Best regards,
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They had obviously my details before invite me for the screening...:mad: They had my details in front of them while they were spreading the contract on my face...
Why not tell that before? I've sent 2 emails asking for a clarification....no reply by them.
They aren't also too smart....waste money to pay hotels, flight tickets, simulator hours, local transportation and meals to pilots not having the requirements they ask for.

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:
At least I'm an optimistic person...and I take that as a quick trip to India with few costs...

Regards
Davide

[FlyingCarpet]

Sorry to hear that you need more time on type :(
What was the guys working down there like? Was there a proffesional atmosphere at jet Airways? Will they pay and provade for all checks and tests, safty courses, etc during your contract work?

[Dmax]

Yes, the environment was very professional...
The problem is not only the hours on type, but the total hours! I've 350 TT....they didn't have to call me from before! However, as I said, I was an experience, I've done an assessment, and about 1 hour 737 sim free ;)

Let's think positive.....otherwise, it's finished.

Davide

[NGFellow]

Any idea as to how many Capts/pilots they will hire each month? Also what is Jet's financial status. I know some of the airlines have lost a bundle recently. Will they survive the long haul? Plus for any expats there, are folks staying longer than 1 year or is the rostering making people quit.
On the 3 year contract what is the escape clause? i.e quit with 30 days notice?

[guidof993]

Hi Guys , Davide , NGFellow , Flying Carpet ,

Davide i am really sorry for you what happened to you , looks very organized , i know ?? :ugh:

I have had a 3 Years Contract but i resigned to 31.01.07 after 1 Year , so it is possible to leave earlier. No Problem.

Living Condition and Lifestyle close to zero , ROOM ; CAR ; COCKPIT ; CAR ; ROOM. ( Mumbai = Smoke , polution very HIGH , none Outdoor Acti.

Monthly Roster for 2 till 3 Days and then Day by Day. :\ :\ i guess due to local Pilots Requests all time.

8 Weeks ON , 2 Weeks OFF = 2 weeks OFF minus 2 Traveldays = 12 Days Home

ACFTs in a good Shape well maintained , are ok.

Cabin Attendants , dont ask me , a lot just starting , outweighingnone none practical knowledge :suspect: :bored:

Anyway in 2 Hours my last Flight for Jet and after HHOOMMEE :ok:

Indian Culture i dont want not say :mad: :mad: :mad: ,
check on Internet :oh:

Guys happy Landings

Cpt G. :ok:

[NGFellow]

Just spoke to Aeropersonnel in Canada, the contracting agency for Jet Airways. I was told that they are behind on the 737NG program because there is a greater emphasis on hiring the A340/777 candidates. However, there is still a need for the 737NG (She said around 30 Capts). Screening is until Feb 14, and then again the first 2 weeks in March. Once screened and accepted it will take 45-60 days for a security clearance. So if you accept plan on being in India about two months after you visa paperwork has been sent it. The contract is for 3 years. Any expat Capts currently there--your candid posts will be appreciated and help those who are considering JetAirways. I also have a few questions:

1. health insurance--does the contract provide for it?
2. Disability/loss of license?
3. How long is their training?
4. Is the training all done in Mumbai?
5. I have heard that your Prof check needs to have at least 3 months on it. Is that on arrival or just when you screen?

[pinkflaps]

Hi, guys

I have a very big quiestion to those who are working in Jet already.

I have received the T/C from Jet and I am really concern regarding the following condition

The Crew Member is responsible for renewing his license, medicals and proficiency from the jurisdiction of the licensing authority of the crew member’s home country. :eek:

Is this real? I mean, does everyone in Jet as an expats are paying your own recurrency as well?? I have never heard this kind of T/C!!


It will be great if anyone can tell me if this is true or not. Then, I will make a decision to go for interview or not....

[strummerdude]

From what I understand you'll be flying in India on your country of origins lisense. what that means is you'll be responsible for maintaining your medical, and your IFR. Your 6 month ppc ride in India will not renew your IFR. So once every 2 years I'll have to come back to Canada and renew my multi IFR. It's not uncommon.
I'm on about day 60 and still no word on security clearance.
My big question is how are the expats managing to work 8 weeks on a 6 day on 1 day off sched, and only getting home for 2 weeks at a time. Travel is on days off which for me would be a loss of 4 days everytime I come home.I'm not sure a 3 year contract is doable on that sched.
I'd really like to hear how people are managing it.

[Nevrekar]

Is the IFR currency requirement different in Canada? In the USA the 6 month PC covers any currency issues one might have. If I remember correctly in the USA, the IFR currency is 6/6/6. In past 6 months, 6 approaches with 6 hrs of actual or simulated instrument time.

[LuckyQ]

Has anyone been invited from Randhem Aviation for an interview. I hear they are conducting the first round of selection over this and following week.

Would love to hear from guy/gals who have been lucky enough to be called for interviews.

PM me if you would like to discuss any further.

Cheers,

luckyq :)

[guidof993]

Hi strummerdude ,

i handled my day by day roster like :\ :sad: i dont know anymore.

the 8 weeks on and then , 2 weeks off minus traveldays ( 11 days at home :ugh:) ,
i handled that roster with my termination of contract after 11 Month.

so back in europe with a better payed job and very important with some LIFESTYLE. :O

Happy Landings
Cpt G.

[guidof993]

hi pinkflaps ,

yes i did my sim check at alteon and rwl in europe , i did pay more or less 2100 euro each.

before with spicejet i did my sim checks with alteon payed by the company , much more easy and not loosing 2 days of my off time.

Cpt G.

[NGFellow]

Do you have to go through Contractair to get on with Spicejet? Or can you apply directly to [email protected]? Are you able to negotiate a better contract if you go directly to Spicejet? Anyone care to share the terms & conditions at Spicejet (most recent) feel free to post. I havent heard anything negative yet about Spicejet--other than they lost 41 crores!

[NGFellow]

Does anyone at JetAirways know if you are able to negotiate a better housing allowance (currently $1800/month). Considering they would be paying at least $6000/month if they had to pay for hotels. In searching on line I have found many of the expat housing rates to be around $2200 and higher for a 4/3 house. Many require a deposit as well as advance rent.

[pinkflaps]

So, Kingfisher or other airlines are giving sort of the same kind of contract? Like Jet?? I think we have to pay our own check is not really fair. I will consider not to go to the screening...

[NGFellow]

Jetairways has extended their Feb07 screening to Feb 20th inclusive. They will also consider non-current applicants, so long as they obtain their currency once they get an offer of employment. This info is from Aeropersonnel in Canada, the contract company for JetAirways.

[R680]

I see the info regarding the Jet Airways T/C. I hear from Aeropersonnel that Jet has dropped the requirement for (at least) 777 captains to pay for recurrency in the a/c, Jet will now pay. No confirmation, but that's what I've been told. Anyone know anything about this? I also hear that 777 crews will be based in London. And, is there any info on the sim screening/interview in AMS? Is it a checkride profile, or what?

I also note the bad words concerning flight dept management (WB?). There seems to be a difference of opinion concerning whether this team is still there or not. Any help? Thanks.

[niss]

According to the new Austrain Chefpilot on the B777 Jetairways have plenty of applicants with B777 license.
But short of SEVERAL captains on the B737, another app. 40 cpts.leaving in april, going home to fly their sommerprograms.

[Amin]

Hi,

Just curious if anyone know if jetairways accept FAA license. I checked www.randhem.com (http://www.randhem.com) website and they say JAA license required. According to the Indian DGCA they only require license from ICAO country. I'm reaching 1000 hours pretty soon and I would like to know if I qualify.

Thank you guys

Amin:ok:

[FlyingOW]

Does anyone know how one applies for the 777 positions?, JetAirways website only shows positions available on A340, 737 and ATR . Or should one contact the likes of PARC, Aeropersonnel, etc.? Much appreciate any info on this one........thanks in advance,

OW

[NGFellow]

Contact Aersopersonnel. They handle the JetAirways contract. Their website is www.aeropersonnel.com (http://www.aeropersonnel.com). You can apply for the job on their site and register as well. I think the code for Jet is B777PICSAJ. It will give you all the contract details as well.
Here is what they will tell you that you need to send them as an email attachment.
1. Passport
2. Licenses
3. Medical
4. Copy of last checride
5. Last 3 pages of your log book.
6. Copy of Indian Visa (if you already have one).
7. Resume/CV
8. FRTO--Radio Telephone Licence
9. Breakdown of hrs form (download from their website)

They will then also send you a DGCA form for an Indian security clearance which you need to send back. When you send the documents here is how they want you to do it. Go to any copy place and scan the documents as a Jpeg document. You can save it on a flashdrive. Each document should be separate. If your ATP is two-sided, then do page 1 as one file and page 2 as another. The CV/Resume can be sent as a word document.
Do not try to fax them stuff even though they have a fax number listed. It does not work, and they insist on email attachments.

This is how you might want to word the documents: If you are planning to apply for more than one carrier then this works great and you don't label anything for Jet/Spice or Kingfisher specifically.

Doe, John CV
Doe, John UK passport
Doe, John Medical
Doe, John ATP page 1
Doe, John ATP page 2
Doe, John FRTO
Doe, John Log page 1
Doe, John, Log page 2
Doe, John, Log page 3

Send them the email and attach all of the above. You will be contacted within 2-3 days at the latest. They are swamped right now and seem a bit behind the curve. They are focusing on the B777 right now but also need 737NG Capts.

Good luck. Security clearances are taking 30-45 days I'm told and so once you submit the paperwork, you can plan to be in India 45 days from the day they(Indian Govt-not Aeropersonnel) process the DGCA form, assuming you have already been screened and have been offered a position.

[FlyingOW]

Thanks for the thorough info, greatly appreciated.

regards,

OW

[NGFellow]

If you think you are definitely going to go to India, even if it is just for the screening, once you make a copy of your passport to send, go ahead and apply for a visa to India at your local Indian Embassy. Your visa when employed will be different. Don't tell the Embassy you are going for a job interview, just a mini vacation. This way you will have a visa in a week or two. Jet will be screening until Feb 20th, and then again in March. The slowest part of the whole process I'm told is the Indian Govt process. Airlines would probably want you there yesterday--but the DGCA and Govt work very differently.

[Ready]

Why is it that Indian airlines, Jet Airways to name one, require to have 3 months left on the type rating at the time of joining?
I stand to be corrected, but this is not an Indian DGCA requirement.
Anybody?

[NGFellow]

My personal view is that it because they can put you to work right away and also they don't have to schedule you for a sim for another 3 months.
My understanding is that you are flying based on your JAA/FAA credentials including your PC. Once they expire then you have to get a PC. It gives them some breathing room considering how busy their training schedule is right now. Thats my take on it. I could be totally off on this one.

[strummerdude]

We need to hear from a few expats who like it at JetAirways.

[NGFellow]

From the looks of it, not too many expats at JetAirways or Spicejet are on pprune anymore. If Jet is needing 30-40 NG drivers b/c guys are quitting to go to their home countries for the summer, it can't be all good. Spicejet has had great reviews on pprune but it's been quiet as well on pprune. Not even sure if they are even hiring expats. I guess the lads are getting burnt out on flying 6 days a week with 1 measly day off. The two weeks off given after 8 weeks with no front/back end days off amounts to about 10 days off depending on where you commute to. They need to change that if they want to attract quality expat pilots. Who needs this kind of abuse?

[FlyingCarpet]

Yes, please can any expat pilot at Jet write a bit about the work and living in India?

Is it true that the 737 FOs are not allowed to control the aircraft below 1000 ft (no take offs and landings?)

How are you couping with 6 working days/week !! (is it really allowed? ) How many hrs a day/week/month will that be?

How are you couping with 8 weeks on / 2 off?

How is the flying in india? Frustrating long delays? Security issues? Are the airport standars and ATC ok?

[NGFellow]

How will these F/O's get any experience if they can't take-off or land?
So the first time they will land is when they upgrade? Makes very little sense. But then again when the F/O has 50 hrs multi in a Seneca I don't think I would like him to land either--not on my ticket! So basically the Indian aviation scene is all about filling the seats with warm Indian bodies!
All they get to do is push Command A/B, LNAV, VOR/LOC, APP.? Maybe they have better skills in understanding the Indian controllers? What happens if the Capt is incapacitated? The F/O has never landed the airplane? The DGCA is ok with that? Oh I guess they just Autoland? If they dont watch it these low time wonders are an accident waiting to happen.

Cheers!

[NGFellow]

Flying schools take off, but pilots will still be scarceBy - Praveena Sharma


BANGALORE: It's simple arithmetic. Over the next ten years, airlines will take delivery of around 400 aircraft and each of them would require 10 pilots and double that number of engineers. This means there would be additional demand for around 4,000 pilots and 8,000 engineers.
This is just for basic flight training. There is also type-rating and recurrent simulator training. The potential in these two are also immense. Not to forget, pilot demand for corporate and cargo jets, and flight training.
These numbers have excited many companies enough to announce plans to launch flying schools. To name a few: there is former telecom czar Rajeev Chandrasekhar's ambitious project in partnership with EADS, which would churn out 500 ab-initio (commercial pilot licence - CPL) pilots and 1,000 flight engineers every year from mid-2009 onwards. Canada's CAE has also drawn up plans for a $20-million flight simulation training centre that would produce 1,000 pilots per year.
Then, there are smaller firms like Nova Aviation Services, which has chalked out plans for setting up a flying school in Mumbai to train 90 pilots and 90 engineers in a year. It is now looking for the right aircraft and a partner with land next to an airstrip.

"Aircraft for pilot training are not available for immediate delivery. We want to procure Cessna but we can't get it before one year. So, we will settle for Austria's Diamond," says Nova Aviation Services Ltd's Hosi Charna.
Nova Aviation wants to get its plans off the ground by mid-2008 so that the first batch of pilots is out by 2009.
Jupiter Aviation CEO and managing director S Ravi Narayanan is also shopping for helicopter and trainer aircraft. "We will give both helicopter and aircraft training. For helicopter, we have zeroed in on Eurocopter's EC 120 and for the aircraft training, we will use TB10 and TB 20," says Narayanan.
But even as they get down to putting their plans into action, the pilot problem is not about to disappear soon.
At least, that is what the airlines feel. Take the case of budget carrier SpiceJet Ltd. Though it has made provisions for the 90 additional pilots it would need this year, it has no clue from where it will meet its requirement of 120 pilots next year and 140 pilots thereafter.
"The problem is not so much at the first officer level. We can easily train them overseas in a year-and-a-half and recruit. The shortage is at the commander level, where you need 4-5 years of experience. This is being filled up by foreign pilots," said J S Dhillon, SpiceJet executive vice-president, flight operations.
"Today, 20% of our pilots are expats. This could rise to 30% next year. The number will keep rising for another 3-4 years before easing. By then, our current crop of co-pilots will be ready to captain flights," said Dhillon.
And by the time Dhillon's co-pilots graduate to flight commanders, the new flying institute would be ready with cadets to fill up the position of first officers.
But not everyone is optimistic. Promoter of ground training school Clipair's S N Dutta laments; "A lot many more pilots can be trained if the training environment is made friendlier. DGCA has amended rules in August this year to make it compulsory for a student to fly 50 hours before taking the CPL ground tests. One does not understand the rationale behind this. There is no point in undergoing expensive flight training before passing the CPL papers. If a student does not pass after completing 50 hours of flying, the entire expense is a waste. It is a national waste."

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[Darkjet]

Hi,
I am presently flying with Jet on 737 . Contract is 8 weeks on / 2 weeks off, although block off can be increased with annual leave days and you might make it 3 weeks off . Typical roster is 6 days on / 1 off and yes this is legal like almost everywhere in the world . Depending on your base here you can expect to fly 100 hrs + (limit here is 125hrs / mth) . You also can expect changes in your monthly roster . In general airports and ATC procedures are ok but you'll be face with long delays at some airports . Good airplanes and well maintained . So far I can say : Good company , good atmosphere .
New F/O are not allowed to operate the controls below 1000ft agl until they have 1000 hrs and are released to do so .
You sometimes will have to be very patient when you request something like administrative papers, tickets etc...

If I can answer other questions , just ask .

Take care,

DJ.

[FlyingCarpet]

Thanks Darkjet for your reply!

Is that 1000 hrs on type, total or at jet Airways?

How do you find the accomodation? Air Con? Internet? Cable TV, Driving distance/time from Airport etc?

[Darkjet]

As far as I know 1000 hrs on type and release in writting to be able to operate take off and landings, I don't know if this applicable to expat f/o's . New captains joining the company also can't give t/off and ldgs until aproved .
The company used to give the choice of hotel or apartments, don't know what is the present policy on that . If you are looking for a flat, Jet will assist you in finfing a fully furnished one . Transportation will be provided when on duty .

[C500]

Thx Darkjet for your up to date info from Jet..

I´ve just been offerd the job for Jet and I´m on my way to take the 737 type rating now in march, but I have some concernse that have´nt been awnserd yet..... (have´nt seen the contract yet)

I was wondering if you could tell me if the salary is taxfree or not, and if not, how much are the taxes over there?

Do you have to pay yourself for OPC/PC in the sim? and do you have to do them on your own free time? Someone said that due to the fact that we are contractors we have to renew our licenses in our home country? Do they pay for that or does it come out of our own pocket?

Would you recomend anyone to go there now, or tell them to find somthing else?

Thx in advance.....

[kontur]

Hi guys!
I heard there would be some changes in the renewing license, medicals and proficiency.Can anyone highlight these rumors

[stratocumulus]

About time.....
Jet Airways is an option again:ok:

[G.Mann]

hey there

just a quick question ....were you offered thru jet airways or thru randhem .....if you can let me know please


regards

[rdr]

10 777's coming in at the rate of 1 per month except DEC.
Earlier postings on the T & C's are accurate.
Pay your own way (flt) for interview, and be reimbursed up to US $1500,
all meals paid for during interview in Mumbai. Screening done ala 737 NG.

[flycold]

already covered through previous thread.

but here are some documents from DGCA.

click! (http://dgca.nic.in/cars/D7G-G2.pdf)

and anybody signed in contract and get the security clearance?

please PM me.

good flight:ok:

[NGFellow]

Is WB no longer at JetAirways? Previous post implies that he has left?

[lucky luke]

Hi,

There was a series of screenings that ended 16th Feb. Has anyone that participated those screenings been offered employment yet? You can also send me PM.

Blue skies

[Mud Skipper]

If Jet are getting 777's, are they still getting the 330's as well? Had clearance papers etc and been waiting a while now for them to get back. They do seem very slow or rudderless with their recruitment or is that just India?

[C500]

Hi There....

I was offerd the job via Randhem and they pay the 737 typerating + the trip and hotel in Miami....

After that you do your linetraining in Europe.... 50hr if you have the time requirements or 100hr if you don´t (time requirements = 1000hr tot or 500hr multi or 100hr on type).
Btw... you get payed during your linetraining....

Darkjet, could you please fill me in on my previous questions if you have the time (or anyone else for that matter that can answer them) thx..

Hope to see ya all soon in India:)

[NGFellow]

So I hear that the infamous and highly unpopular Werner Borchert has been fired from JetAirways. Does anyone have the dirt as to what led to his much awaited departure? Many have not considered JetAirways because of him. I guess life will now improve at Jet?:ok:

[Darkjet]

Blade inc : Thank you for correcting me and you are 100% right, the requirement is 300 hrs and a check for f/o's t/off & ldgs .

C500 : the money you get here is after tax, Jet is paying taxes in India on your behalf . This has to be stated on your contract .
Regarding your licence renew, unless approved by your licensing authority, you have to do it back home at your own expenses and your own time off .

WB fired ? I guess i'm too far from SM centre !!!!!!


DJ

[Darkjet]

Mud skipper,

10 330's and 10 777's are coming, 340 will go . The rumor is that European routes and bases will become 777 ones .

[magist]

Regarding that licence renewal issue, as far as I know, the operator ( in this case JET) should carry out OPC-s and Line checks on their own expenses according their Indian AOC.
The copy of the report of these checks can be used toward the renewal at the issuing authorities at home.

[Mud Skipper]

Thanks Darkjet and thanks to those who PM'd me.

[fullforward]

No need to PMs, boys. We are fighters on the same league!
A friend of mine was offered a contract, 777 DEC, and it does not mention a word about basing, days off policy etc.
Maybe this was written on WBs days...

Anymore on the same?

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

How is the nightlife and entertainment in India. How are the girls? Do they like foreigners?

[NGFellow]

If girls in your part of the world like you then you should have no problem with girls in India. They are some very pretty ones there, especially the hosties who are usually between 18-25, unmarried and educated. Nightlife is like any big city. Lots of disco's etc.

[Gillegan]

For the folks already on a European bas (A340?) - Are you also flying the 6 on, 1 off rosters? If not, what are the rosters like? In advance, thanks.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

f girls in your part of the world like you then you should have no problem with girls in India.


Uhuhuh, Actually, Girls don't like me in my part of the world thats why I was asking if my chanses would be better in India :}

[NGFellow]

Jimmy..Jimmy...Jimmy......... What can I say, just come on down and try your luck! Here are some positives--With a population of over 1 Billion, there is bound to be someone of the female persuation that likes you! Unless ofcourse you want to play for the other team!!!:p In all seriousness, there are plenty of very attractive girls who are interested in being with expats. You just have to find the right one. Try not to "date" where you work or as they say steal from the company cookie jar. If it does not work out, all your details will be in the ladies room and your name will be mud. You know the saying... a woman scorned:yuk: :ouch: :{

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

I will keep that in mind :E

Seriosly speaking I was just interested how my social life would be in India.

[NGFellow]

Social Life in India is great.. if you have money in India you can live well. Now if you work 6/1 I doubt that you will have the energy to do anything on your day off!!

On another note, anyone at JetAirways---Is the two weeks off you get paid or unpaid? I think Spicejet offers 3 weeks off? Anyone know? It can make a difference b/c if you think you are being paid $8700/month, you really are not b/c the weeks off add up. You are probably only being paid for 40 weeks out of 52.

[santos dumont]

DarkjetC500 : the money you get here is after tax, Jet is paying taxes in India on your behalf . This has to be stated on your contract .

Darkjet, I think you may be wrong about the tax bit. What they advertise on Randhem ($4400) for F/O's is before tax. Deduct 33% to that :eek:. Then again I may be wrong. Do you have your info from a good source ?

[ForzaLazio]

i heard they want you to convert your 737 efis type in the NG within three months of employment? where is a chep place where you can do the conversion? how long does it take?

[NGFellow]

Is there a DGCA requirement to have 3 months left on your PC when you join an Indian Airline?

[Darkjet]

-Magist: Jet is doing all the company training ie;ground school,line training, route check etc.... But you are responsible to maintain your licence, IFR and medical current .

-NG Fellow : you are getting paid even in your 2 or 3 weeks off every 2 month .

-Santos : I am not familiar with the Randhem scheme, the infos I gave on the tax are for expat Cpt's : 8700 $ after tax .

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

I am going for an interview at Randhem. I would be very happy if I got the job.
3 years of 737 flying in india will be an adventure I never will forget. :D

[R680]

Does anyone really understand the situation regarding airline flying in India on a US/FAA license? It seems some are doing it, but the obstacles are daunting. Any help? :confused:

[Nevrekar]

If hired as an expat you fly on your US credentials. The airline takes care of the rest-ie. you take a few exams and thats it.

[NGFellow]

Can anyone tell me what kind of schedules are normal for the airlines in India. I know the 6 ON 1 OFF deal, but I wanted to know if Jet/or Spice/KF had 3-4 day trips or are they all day trips on the 737NG/A320. Also is there a Reserve system in place as well (at home or ready at the airport). Do expats go through ground school, sim training and then operating experience before line release? How long does that take?

[YUCCY]

Is there a programm where it is possible to upgrade expat F/O to the left seat?
This is also very important question if you ask me while making a decision.
If yes what are the requirements?

[strummerdude]

Has anyone recieved a security clearance with JetAirways since November?

[hpcock]

Most of my flights (A320), tend to rtn on a daily basis. There is not much overnighting at present either.

YUCCY - To answer your qu - not many at this point in time. Most expat pilots are on rolling contracts, & therefore, it does not make sense to the operator to upgrade the expat FO to the LHS. Whether this is a bad thing or not is debatable. However, for the time being, Expats are seen purely as a stop gap for the operators until they can fill seats with local pilots.

[ILSTOMIN]

How is the selection pros. for non typerated pilots. Going for interview with randhem soon.

I do not know what to expect on that interview, any suggestions?

thanks.
:ok:

[YUCCY]

Thank you very much for reply.
It will be very interesting topic if it is trouth that pilots on Randhem scheme have to sign 5years bond.

[fly2fly]

Any information about Randhem conditions??
How come a 3 years contract with a 5 years bond???

Any information about their screening process?
I heard an interview + a group interview.

Any information about the questions being asked?

Thanks.

[santos dumont]

How do companies secure their bonds ? I have heard that they make you make out many cheques in their favour and then return a cheque at a time till the stipulated bond time. Are there other ways ? What could be a plausible amount and schedule in the Jet/Randhem scenario ? What is it elsewhere ?

Would anyone out there actually consider bonding himself for 5 years ? :uhoh: And that as an expat in a foreign country one may or may not like ? :\

SD

[Joakim32]

The first deal was 3000 euro tax free and five star luxury apartment.

Now it is $4400 and 33% tax and shared two bed room accomodation.

Accomodation in Mumbai is really expensive. You need some
$2500-$3500 do get a descent apartment. If there still are $1800 allowance it won't get you far.

What is the next deal?

[C500]

The bond is for 3 years, not 5.....

Before you fly off to Miami for your type rating you pay 5000Euros (6400Dollars) wich you later get back IF you stay 3 years at Jet Airways.... IF you quit before your contract expiers you have to pay them back what you owe them for the type rating minus the time you´ve been working there and minus the 5000 Euros

Exaple: type rating = 30 000 Euros
You work there for 2 years= 20 000Euros
(30 000/3 years = 10 000 per year)
30 000-20 000-5000= 5000Euros

So...If you work there for 2 years you owe them 5000 Euros...

Hope to see ya´ll soon:)

[fly2fly]

30.000€???
On their website they publish 15000€ for the type rating + 5000€ for the 6 T/O and LDG...
How do they secure the bond C500??

Any informations about the interview and the group interview?

[ILSTOMIN]

The interview is held from coming monday to friday.
I've heard that this interview round is currently full/closed.


"Thank you, come again" - apu.:ok:

[C500]

First of all Fly2Fly it was an example..... How much they actually figure it´s going to cost I don´t know.....

To your other question about how they secure the bond... I´m afraid I don´t know that eather.... but as soon as I find out I´ll post it here...

Hepp:)

[fly2fly]

It will help if anyone from this week interview give a briefing of what was going on?
Type of questions, exercices, information given, conditions, etc...

Thanks.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

Is not the contract a bond?
I really hope that they wont ask me for money or a bank loan. 5000eu is ok, but more than that I am not willing to pay them.
Read in a Swedish forum that one of the questions asked is "What happends with the top of descent when the aircraft is heavier than planned" I think it is that you are going to have higher kinetic energy and therefore you need more NM to slow down. Any suggestion.
Going for the interview tomorrow. I am so nervous before interviews. Do you have any advise how to cope with interviews?

[santos dumont]

Randhem finally posts FAQs on their website. Some are a bit confusing though. Like do they really work 6 days and then get 7 days off ? :}

Frequent Asked Questions:
We cant answer any question by phone, please send them by e-mail.
Thank you for your understanding.
Who will pay for Medical and proficiency check?
Jet Airways will revalidate the licenses.
What kind of roster we they have?
The monthly roster will be as follows: Minimum flying for 100 hours. 6 days ON and 7 days OFF. Pilots will be pulled out to do flight duty according to the published planned roster or on a requirement basis.
Are we able to fly home during days off, if so will Jet Airways give us ID tickets or discount?
They will be able to utilize the staff tickets and interline tickets arrangements as per the existing policy. Leave entitlement will be confirmed to you shortly.
Will I return to base every night, if not is there any per diem allowance?
Most probably they will return to base city. On layover flights the pilots will be provided with hotel and meals.
Who will take care of the VISA and license conversion for India, cost?
Jet Airways will take care of validation.
What happens if you for some reason must terminate the contract before the 3 years period?
If the termination is on account of misconduct the deposit of Euro 5000 will be forfeited.
Cost of Jeppesen introduction copy?
Jeppesen copies are on board and will be provided to the pilots.
Will we be provided transportation to and from work?
Jet Airways will provide transportation to and from for flights duty.
Do you have any information regarding the accommodation in India?
The pilots will be provided with sharing 2 bedroom accommodation in India.
Is there a chance that I have to wait a long time before I receive my first salary after training is completed? The salary shall start on his joining Jet Airways in India. Once the candidate obtains his B737 endorsement, we will initiate the security clearance process for employment in India for which the copy of his current medical, license and passport is a pre-requisite. The security clearance normally takes around 45 days and we will intimate the candidate once we receive the same.
Loss of license, how much?
INR 42 lakhs (95000 USD)

[funkywallace]

Hi guys!

I have done the interview with Randhem for the first officer position in the 737 working for Jet Airways and I would like to have first hand information from somebody who is currently working for them.

I was told in the interview that it would be really tough :} ..and to be honest I am not enterely sure if I would be able to cope with living in India and all that stuff..This would be my first jet job so its a great oportunity that I dont want to miss.

The contract is for 3 years and they said that it would be really difficult to get a job back in Europe if you quit before those 3 years due to the very bad references that they would give about you, waht do you thinK?? Has anybody been in that situation??

I would really appreciate any information...

Cheers!!

[Joe_H]

I have a screening coming up very soon for 738FO, any info or tips for interview and sim.
any help very much appreciated.
thanks:ok:

[strummerdude]

The conversion from Efis to NG only takes 3 to 4 days. It costs roughly 4 to 5 grand (us currency). So I've been told. You can get it done in Miami, and Amsterdam. Jet had a sim and could actually do it for quite a bit less but I think they're rather busy.
Can anyone confirm the rumor of WB departure from JA???

[chrislikesblue]

C500 Congrats for the job offer.Can you tell us how long after they offered you the job they require you to start training?

[cwings]

Hello,

going to Jet this weekend for DEC screening.

What kind of questions do they ask?
What kind of flying in the sim ?
Dress code ?


Have a nice day :
Ciao

[kleini604]

I also had a screening at Randhem Aviation in Gothenburg for Jet Airways India. I can start a Type Rating on B373 Classic & NG in May 2006 in Miami. :D Of course three years are a long time and India is different to west countries but I think it is a good option to get a rating for about 5000 euros bond. If you dont like to work in India due to the country itself you can cancel the contract with Jet Airways after a few months. Of course you dont get back the 5000 euros and the references will not be good but you have the rating and some hours on type, which will be most important...

So I think its a good opportunity... :ok: What do you think?

[Joakim32]

A rated pilot with 500 hours on type have a salery of $7400.
Non rated $4400.
$7400-$4400=$3000
In three years: $3000*36month gives US $108 000. The rating and line training costs some $40 000.
$68 000 in savings per non rated pilot.

$4400-tax=2950. Is that a good salery? Is a shared living a good western standard? Maybe for a poor student.......

[rdr]

Klieni 604. Have you thought about some good old fashioned hard work to establish ones career and self worth instead of trying to cheat the system to get ahead ?

[Maxweight]

As Joakim32 pointed out u would be losing $3000 per month if not type rated with 500 hours.

It could even be worth getting on one of those time building programmes to have the 500 prior to joining(only an idea):ok: !!

[ELAC]

A rated pilot with 500 hours on type have a salery of $7400.
Non rated $4400.
I don't think you'll find anyone paying $7400 for a B737NG F/O, 500 hours on type or not. I suspect you are comparing the rate paid for a B737NG contract captain to that paid for a non 500 hours on type F/O, hence the big discrepancy.

Apples and Oranges my friend.

[Joakim32]

A direct entry captain are offered US$13.000. F/0's with hours on type some $7400. Gross that is...

[NGFellow]

You might want to check your numbers lads. The 737NG contract for Capts is normally around $8500-8700/month if you have 500 hrs in type as PIC. That is based on 80 hrs. Overtime is anyhwhere from 106-115 hr for a line Capt and more for a TRI/TRE. Housing is $1500-1800 a month.

[tropical wave]

I was wandering about those figures.Thought i had over looked something.

[ELAC]

Gross that is...
OK, that makes a bit more sense.
Gross numbers aren't very relevant though as it's what ends up in your wallet that counts.
US $7400 gross is equivalent to US $5000 per month net after Indian taxes (essentially 33.6%) are considered. US $4400 comes out to US $3000.
So, a $2000 per month discount applies for low time/non-typed pilots versus F/O's with qualifications and experience.
That's not terribly unreasonable if you ask me, given that the listed minimum requirements:
- Valid JAA CPL (ATP frozen), IR/ME and MCC.
- Minimum of 500 ME Hours or 1000 TT.
- Last flight within the last 3-6 months
wouldn't even get you into the chief pilot's office for a cup of coffee in most parts of the world.
If it helps any, US$ 3000 is about what an Indian F/O takes home each month, so you're doing just as well as as an Indian pilot with the same or more experience.

[Pretzel]

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW LONG RANDHEM TAKE TO GET BACK TO THE SELECTED PEOPLE ( post interview) AND DO THEY CONTACT EVERYONE OF JUST THE ONES THAT PASS??

PRETZEL..

[funkywallace]

Ok, your numbers seem to make sense..now,the question is..and please dont get me wrong I know that we are talking about India, but is 3000$ a figure that allow you to have a decent live overthere..I heard that apartments in Mumbai are extremely expensive...

Thanks for your help

[Osterhase]

Hi everyone

So what about any european basings with jet airways.

I heard something about base FRA or is it just a rumour?

Is it now 777 or 340 or 330 or whatever? Or will these pilots be based in beautiful India ???

If yes is it now 8/2 with 6/1 or is it 6/7off??


:cool: sterhase

This thread is quite confusing, b.t.w. has W.B. been fired or not?

[oefag]

Nope , W.Borchert is still at the helm..

[Joakim32]

For me the accomodation is a big issue! The better accomodation, the longer I stay...as easy as that. If the appartement is crap I won't be long in India.

I don't need ultra modern- high tech accomodation........nor a shoe box.:hmm:

[Pretzel]

Joakim.. let me just warn you know.. if you think you are going to get ultra modern- high tech accomodation.. think twice!!!!!

[NGFellow]

If you were to have a choice of bases then I would suggest Bangalore, Chennai or New Delhi before I even thought of Mumbai. In most places (other than Mumbai) you should be able to get a nice apt within the allowance given. Mumbai can get expensive, and you can be in a 5 star area, but as soon as you walk out you are surrounded by filth and slum dwellers in many places. Bangalore, Delhi etc have nice areas and you dont have to deal with the above as you would in Mumbai.

[ShockSymbol]

Does anyone know when Randhem are going to let us know how we got on in the interview, and what the plan is for those people that have been given placements on their scheme? I was told they would give me an answer last week, but I've heard nothing yet.

[strummerdude]

Patience, patience, patience this does not happen over night. Give it a month, then maybe another one after that.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

yeah, I would also like to know

[Pretzel]

Whoooooosahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......

[fly2fly]

So, I guess few more weeks to wait...:ugh:

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

:ok: :) :) :) :ok:

[Pretzel]

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ok: :ok: :ok: :) :) :) :O :p

[Chicken or beef Sir?]

Would appreciate your thoughts on todays offer:
Randhem Aviation
Dear Pilot,
You have successfully passed our selection process for the position as F/O at the
Boeing 737-300-900 fleet on behalf of Jet Airways.
You will do the training in Miami (we will contact you for specific start date) , at Pan Am International Flight Academy. Your first day starts at 07.30 LMT if not other specified.
We will book your flight ticket and the hotel reservation. Breakfast is included at the hotel, all other meals you need is to be paid for by yourself. We will send you a confirmation e-mail regarding hotel and flight tickets. Could you please let my colleague Asmma Chaudry know which city you will be flying out of, as soon as we give you the start date, at [email protected] .
We STRONGLY recommend that you do your TSA-application immediately, IT MUST BE IN ORDER WHEN YOU ARRIVE. Due to tight schedule, we do not have time for any delays.
TSA-homepage is linked from our homepage, www.randhem.com, click on “STUDENT INFORMATION” and then select MIAMI. The fingerprint can be done in Europe, contact Mr Brad Stowe, his contact info is on our homepage, the cost for the fingerprint is 1500 SEK (~160 €).
We will send manuals together with CBT and two (2) copies of the contract. You have to sign one (1) and send back to us. The contract must be signed and sent back to us before you can start your training. You will find our address at the bottom of this page. Mark the envelope “Contract Jet Airways Att: Mr Alexander Ottosson”
As stated in the contract you have to pay a deposit of 5000 €, this deposit must be transferred to the following account at least two (2) weeks prior to course start date. We will be sending you an invoice as soon as we have booked you for the course.
Bank
Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken
Stockholm, Sweden
IBAN Account: SE025 0000 0000 5005 1015 099
SWIFT: ESSESESS
All bank charges shall be paid by the client.
Please leave a message with the transfer with your name and course.
After payment please fax or email proof of payment to
Fax +46 31 80 20 90
Sincerely,
Alexander Ottosson
Flight Training Division

[Awesome_Welles]

Out of interest, has anyone been called for interview with Randhem with or close to minimum required time? I have in excess of 1000 hours TT and am planning to build MEP time. I'd really like to have the opportunity to join the Randhem/Jet Airways type rating scheme!

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

If you meet the minimum requirements you will do fine. You need JAA license because you do the linetraining in europe.

I don't think that anyone that meets their requirements has been denied.
You must be really bad if you not pass their selection.
It's amazing, they must really have a shortage of pilots.

I really hope that you guys that got in stay the full 3 years so you don't screw up for the "future pilots". I have a feeling that some of you are there just for the B737 and not for the opportunity to discover India.


See you in Miami,

[fly2fly]

Don't underestimate yourself Jimmy.
We'll meet in Miami!:ok:

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

The reason I wrote that post is that I have a friend that went for a similar opportunity as we are but it was for an airline based in China.
When the first group of pilots finished the typerating they left the company for a better paying one. This resulted in that the airline got fed up with this and stopped the next class and sacked the pilots.

If you do a search on pprune you are going to see that pprunes server is full of complaints about the airlines forcing us to pay for the typerating.
Maybe if the pilots was more grateful and being a little bit more loyal to the airlines we wouldn't be in this situation.

[romeo2004]

in your experience, did it only take 45 days for the security clearance or should we expect more?

[strummerdude]

I would plan on 90 days....you can look at anything less as a bonus.

[fly2fly]

For Category 1 candidate, expect around 6 weeks to get your final clearance.
(Fingerprints included)
My first TSA application took me 41 days from the submission date.

If you have done already, a TSA check in the past, expect around 3 weeks.

For the indian one, I have no idea...

[ARGREECE]

hello gentlemen,im new at pprune and happy to be a member of yr family.i have an faa/jar license with 250 hours,unfortunately no mcc.i would like to speak to jimmy the greek.i live in greece too and im interested in working in india or asia generally as well.jimmy if you read my posting i would be glad to talk to u.thank u in advance and good luck with yr targets.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

Welcome to pprune ARGREECE. I will send you a private message tomorrow.

[funkywallace]

:eek: I also got the letter!

Now..Could anybody who has already been trough the Randhem,PanAm,Base&Line and finally Jet employment give us some feedback...

Anybody knows roughly how long it will take from the moment you start the course in Miami until you are actually on your way to lovely India ready for work?

Cheers!

[C500]

Hepp.... I can only give you feedback so far on the standards and training in Miami... but I can say .... I love it here. Sun, pool, 737 sim.... whats not to like....?

The TSA clearens took 2 weeks for me get..... that said, the earlier you get it done the better for you.... You can take your fingerprints in: Stockholm
Flight Safety, Paris (Le Bourgue) (Damn french spelling)
London
and offcourse in the USA.

We were held upp a week extra here in Miami due to the fact that none off use had taken the fingerprints..... thats why Randhem now tells everyone to fix everything in beforehand....

We´ve been talking to some Indian pilots over here at PanAm and when they heard we wher going to India for Jet airways they got really envious..... They say that Jet Airways is the BEST company in India to work for..... That makes me very happy to hear I must say, as I jumped on this rollercoster without really checking everything out before I went...

B.T.W. I agree with Jimmy the Greek concerning pilots leaving as soon as they´ve gotten ther type rating.... not good....

Has anyone seen the the new and improved contract? and if so... can you post it here or send it to me privatly.... I still have´nt seen it...
Thx

Well.... got to go study by the pool now...hehehe

For everyone that´s going to Miami.... Good luck and study hard...

C500

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

Hejsan!

Nice to hear from you C500. I will email you the contract as soon as I get it.

Lycka till och simma lugnt i poolen.

[fly2fly]

C500, thank you very much for the information.
As far as PanAm is concerned, I've been trained there for my FAA B737 type rating, 2 years ago; and I fully confirm what you say.
Good training, very professional.
The hotel is ok, confortable with wireless free internet connection.
The pool, is cool!!;)

Can you tell us please how long it takes before they send you to the type rating from the moment they give you the answer?
They told me by mail, that we will be notified at least 4 weeks in advance.

Do they wait until we ALL get the final TSA clearance, then giving us 4 weeks notice?

Can you please give us a copy of YOUR contract?

Thanks and good luck for the type rating...

[flycold]

I will join the Jet Airways soon.
Could you give me some infos about tests and housing of India?
If you can give me some briefings of tests in the DGCA and the Jet Airways, It would be very helpful to me.

Also I wonder company proving house locations and quality.
Any comments and infos would be appreciated.
PM me or use this e-mail address [email protected]

Regards,
flycold:ok:

[kleini604]

Hello,

which tests in India do you mean? :eek:

Regards,
Philipp. :ok:

[rduarte]

I would like to know a much money you get in your wallet, by the end of the month as a F/O not typed.
And how much do you spend in India to live.
Thx
RD

[hpcock]

I can only give you feedback so far on the standards and training in Miami... but I can say .... I love it here. Sun, pool, 737 sim.... whats not to like....?



Cause thats just what India's like!!

[henriksch]

Hi

How long did it take, from you send your CV until they answered.

I have 775 hours, but 537 multi. Will That be enough with Randhem?

[fly2fly]

Got a phone call 3 weeks after sending application.
Interview 2 weeks later.
I had about the same hours as you at the time.
APPLY!

[henriksch]

Sounds good..

Send the application a few days ago.

What was in the interview? Any sim test?

[gb777]

Is it true that all B777 vacancies are filled ? So no problem for
Jet to find the required number of drivers...

gb

[rdr]

Looks that way with mainly ex Continental, Varig, Delta etc guys. About 12 courses planned in Denver, Colorado with FTI in the UA sim.

[Chinos]

folks,
does anyone have any info on the positions as Airbus captains base Europe that they advertised? Is this really happening?
Are they still looking for Airbus Captains, or have they got their quota?
Any light on the matter would help greatly!
Many thanks and happy landings!
:cool: :cool:

[X-FEED 1]

Yes,homebase EU( Vienna),positioning to LHR,stay 1 night in hotel,next day on duty A340/330 to India and so on...last leg to LHR, then positioning to EU homebase.
For the Time they concentrate on B777, but they start recruitment again for A330 later this year.

Regards
Airbus Driver

[taesapilot]

Hello everyone, I was sent a job posting from a broker in Texas, for a B737 Captain Position. I've been searching on the web and can't seem to find it. Does anyone know of any brokers for B737 Captain positions for JetAirways?

Thanks guys.