ATC has the Jimmy Brits

[Cyril Said]

Time to collate the displeasure HK ATC has with the 4th floor (the term Management doesn't belong here). Much has been said in the thread Hkg Atc, feel free to continue the displeasure here.

Cyril Said to the duty Watch Manager: "this place is Disneyland and you are Blankety Blank". Yes of course the Blankety Blank is Mickey Mouse and just what is Mickey Mouse doing these days...yes thats right, he is the Chief of Ops :D Credit to Spook :D.

Cyril Said : "the public think that all those Mickey Mouse ears on the expressway are leading the some field of dreams theme park over the hill, little do they know its the sign posting to the Blank". Yes thats right, the Blank here is the ATCX :D. Credit to RAS :D

Cyril Said: "that sign out the front that says Air Traffic Control Complex...it was supposed to be a Noun not a Blank". Yes thats right, the Blank here is "VERB" :D. Credit again to RAS :D.

Cyril says: Expect to be disappointed, otherwise you will only be disappointed. The leave roster, or complete lack of it seems to have bought a lot of issues to boiling point. The fact that there are staff with an "overflowing leave balance" and as such they are losing 3 days earned leave into thin air each month IS A CRIMINAL ACT!!!. THOSE RESPONSIBLE SHOULD FACE IMMEDIATE DISMISSAL.:=:=:=:=:=

[valeriey]

I have to be fair here because there are some who tries very hard on the 4th floor to be helpful. There are many problems but this is almost always true for a government organization trying to keep pace with a fast growing industry.
You expats are already getting a much better deal than us. I have to agree with you that there is a more suitable person for Chief of Ops. Anyway, don't get too upset, it is no good for your blood pressure.

[uncle4]

I have to be fair here because there are some who tries very hard on the 4th floor to be helpful. There are many problems but this is almost always true for a government organization trying to keep pace with a fast growing industry.
You expats are already getting a much better deal than us. I have to agree with you that there is a more suitable person for Chief of Ops. Anyway, don't get too upset, it is no good for your blood pressure.
:ok: There should be a more suitable person for Chief of Training and Evaluation as well ... Cannot stand him coming into the center every hour and disturbing us in the Restrooms all the time:=

[SuzieWong]

Ha! So funny to see him running around sticking his nose into everything when new C(OPS) is to scared to come out of his office yet!:confused:

To my ATCO colleages, demand from management no more traffic increase until leave and pay is fixed.

[ter4]

uncle 4, agree.

This weasel needs to be taught a lesson. May be he came in to find his young lady friend(s)! what a disgraceful dept.!

[throw a dyce]

Suzie,
The whole system needs an Atomic Bomb and start again.Scrap the leave system,TOIL and the telephone directory watch rosters.
Sort people leave out into teams: ie only 5 per watch on leave at any one time.They will have to give rostered days off as that. The roster should be TOIL neutral.10th day working is unpaid overtime.Buy out everyones TOIL and throw it away.Any overtime to be paid per day.HKD6000 a day any good?
You don't have a Union/Association with any :} .They are only interested in IFATCA stuff.Well until that changes you don't have a hope of improvement.Strike action? Mass sickie? Vote with your feet?
I think the later is the only option available currently.Sorry

[valeriey]

Hey why are you all so negative.
How many hours do you work a shift? This is still a good job if you compare with how much harder you work in the private sector for the money you get otherwise I am sure you would have resigned. This person you hate is probably the only one that contribute and get things done effectively from the 4th floor. I do not want to sound pro management but I am only trying to be fair to everyone in this system and I am not his lady friend.

[Departure Control]

How come you are so negative? My girlfriend in the private sector works twice as hard for the same money I get, to me this is still a reasonable job for the time you work and the training provided.
A lot of the things that happened are really no one's fault. The 4th floor has their hands tied by the government because of the employment stop and than we hired some people who are not very good. I can understand that you are upset because of no leave since the training for replacements takes so long.
That person you pick on is the most helpful person down there, at least, he taught me many things and tried hard to make the system work by always coming back to help when staff is short.
I agree our association is useless and people only become the chairman to climb up the management tree, we should all stop paying the fee.

[uncle4]

Hey why are you all so negative.
How many hours do you work a shift? This is still a good job if you compare with how much harder you work in the private sector for the money you get otherwise I am sure you would have resigned. This person you hate is probably the only one that contribute and get things done effectively from the 4th floor. I do not want to sound pro management but I am only trying to be fair to everyone in this system and I am not his lady friend.
:ugh: :ugh: :ugh:
What has he done effective??? apart from trying a few young girl SATCOs (disgraceful) and from hassling us SATCO's. He's called everyone of my friends into his room and gave us bulls:mad: ... "Approach is better" .... "TR is easy" .... 'I can help ......'
HA HA HA ... and you are maybe the same person as 'Departure Control' - you both trying to say nice thing about this person .... Absolutely hopeless ... you can ask anyone in ATC ... hopeless
I would resign anytime, because pay is low now and I will not get proper pay until I get my radar ... (DON'T KNOW IN HOW MANY YEARS ----):D :D :D :D :D

[SuzieWong]

How come you are so negative? My girlfriend in the private sector works twice as hard for the same money I get, to me this is still a reasonable job for the time you work and the training provided.


So what job in private sector do you want to compare mine to?

A lot of the things that happened are really no one's fault.

What? You mean like thinking out of 300+ people that none would ever be sick or get pregnant or have alife outside work?

I can understand that you are upset because of no leave since the training for replacements takes so long.


So how stupid is governments decision to stop recruitment if it take so long to catch up again? Who told them things are fine? Why they don't fight harder for us.Are they so weak?

he taught me many things and tried hard to make the system work by always coming back to help when staff is short.

That is the problem! Coming back to make the system work just make the government think there is nothing wrong! Works against us in the end.

I agree our association is useless and people only become the chairman to climb up the management tree, we should all stop paying the fee.

The association is only good as its members. Get off your seat and make something happen. Current chairman is trying hard at least to fight for us. Fee is so small compare to other IFATCA member - stop complaining.

[uncle4]

:D Well said Suzie.:D

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A lot of the things that happened are really no one's fault.
IT IS MANAGEMENT'S FAULT ... := an acting/Assistant Director who does not want to do anything until he permanently on the job, a Chief of OPS who know nothing about OPS and is scared to come out of his office, and a Chief of Training who thinks he is in charge of all (and of course, his young lady friends). I haven't met the Chief of Systems yet, but I heard he is the only one working hard.:=

Quote:
I can understand that you are upset because of no leave since the training for replacements takes so long.

It is not ONLY training for replacements. Why is there a SAR course when staffing is tight. why not postpone the course?? you sacrifice Staff leave just because the department want to make a good show .... :ugh:
Training takes long because poor planning .... I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY RADAR COURSE ....:{ :{ :{
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he taught me many things and tried hard to make the system work by always coming back to help when staff is short.
Coming back to help doesn't prove anything ... it is actualy pathetic ... NOMAN will think everything is ok:mad: . The system will not work JUST because he come back to work.
What did he teach you, how to court the young ladies (girls)???:ugh: :ugh:
:= := :=
Again, this guy doesn't know his job ... not capable, and arrogent ....:=

[ter4]

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That is the problem! Coming back to make the system work just make the government think there is nothing wrong! Works against us in the end.



The association is only good as its members. Get off your seat and make something happen. Current chairman is trying hard at least to fight for us. Fee is so small compare to other IFATCA member - stop complaining.

Does he have a choice? Doesn't he want promotion? He's a showman. Of course he wants to come back to help out.

The odd letter to the management with soft-wording makes the president a popular figure! Are you too simple or always naive? it's a show. don't you get it?:ugh:

[throw a dyce]

Not many jobs in the private sector where you can kill 1000+ people with one mistake.Unless you work for private ATC supplier.:uhoh:

[Zi2]

Uncle4,
if you are so discontent with your job, you are welcome to quit. :ugh:
if you do not satisfy with your training, (i believe you are not radar-rated) confront the CTE whom you dislike and ask what great plan he has for u. strive for yourself. stop murmur.

I agree with Suzie. :D :D :D Don't be so negative. I want my salary raise as well, but it is out of our hands. The general public will not show mercy to us and think our civil servants are overpaid. The traffic volume increases quickly and we require great concentration on our job. hundreds of lives in one plane. No mistake shall be made.

My opinion towards the Asso. is that we haven't really give them support. They tried to fight for us and asked for comments or stream representatives, but we gave up and showed no concern. who should we blame?:rolleyes:

[APP]

Uncle and Sue,
Your views are very lopsided, this is why:
1. I worked for different employers before coming here, CAD is not brilliant but no worse than others in supply for staff. My last employer hired too many than VR too many in the 90s and end up with too little again. Coming up with the right numbers all the time is a lot harder than you think. I am sorry for you if you think this is so simple. Wait 6 months and you will hear what the FAA will do to fix their post PATCO retirement problems.
2. If someone works on his day off to make sure I get a decent meal break when there are sickies, I am not going to write him off. Of course, you may have your personal hatred for him, for us on APP he certainly did more to contain the workload than the previous check controller and raised the standard of some very ordininary locals.
2.He is the only one from the office who knows what goes on but you are blaming him for that. He is still better than the big chief and many others who sits in their big offices and pretends to Noman that everything is OK. I know because I spoke to Noman when we had drinks last months he knew very little about the problems in the field and cares less.
3.I agree with you that there should not be any increase in movements before our conditions get better. I am not in your union but this is what can be done - get your assoication boss mate to run a survey amongst the members, drum up the support and the president can tell the press that their members will not work any more increases without the government paying up. Imagine how much bigger a bomb shell this one will be. Achieving results is not just about how much union fees you pay.
This is where you should direct your energy into whether than waste this forum for your personal feuds, stop behaving like teenagers.

[throw a dyce]

I think that the Association will have zero impact.It doesn't have any say on pay rates and leave problems within CAD.The pay and leave can only be dictated by the Civil Service.
One solution would be to hire expats to fill the gaps,and get more bums on seats.The pay issue is in the lap of the Civil service gods.
There are a lot of places facing double digit percentage traffic rises with nothing for it.How are you going to stop more traffic?It just appears.
More expats is the only short term fix.At least the locals would get leave as well,and it is possible within current Civil service rules.:cool:

[Zi2]

I think that the Association will have zero impact.It doesn't have any say on pay rates and leave problems within CAD.The pay and leave can only be dictated by the Civil Service.
One solution would be to hire expats to fill the gaps,and get more bums on seats.The pay issue is in the lap of the Civil service gods.
There are a lot of places facing double digit percentage traffic rises with nothing for it.How are you going to stop more traffic?It just appears.
More expats is the only short term fix.At least the locals would get leave as well,and it is possible within current Civil service rules.:cool:


it seems an easy solution to hire the expats again. := however, before that, approval from CSB, interviews, settlement, training... how long do they take? why not, ask those high-paid Twr-rated only Gweilo and the 'exception' to have a training/conversion of Radar control?? it sounds easier than hiring the expats again.:O

[Wontonpussy]

I am not about to forgive or justify the results of what the 4th floor has created. The acute shortage of staff, the poorly managed training and the virtually non-existant leave program are only the start of a long list of real grievances that we all hold. However, if you are going to fire bullets, at least fire them for real reasons and not because of obvious personality clashes with individuals who have not been in a position to actually create your grievance.

Sounds to me Uncle4 that "Papa Bear has been gettin more Honey than Baba Bear" or are you one of those enigmatic self pleasuring people who unwittingly keep using thier personality as a contraceptive?:hmm:

I can only suggest that strong and meaningful participation in your staff association will at least get your grievances an airing...but then again?

[Departure Control]

I agree and support APP. How can an employer force their workers to keep working more traffic and decrease their pay time after time again. The public has a right to know this injustice when they only think that the AA is making lots of money and rewarding their staff generously, we are the ones doing the hard work and get kick around. The association must do something for us, an open letter to the government and the press will put up our case.

[atc soup]

so many interest here, let me contribute.

Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course:eek: ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.

The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years.:eek: He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time:D While we work hard.

App

don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!

[ter4]

Uncle and Sue,
Your views are very lopsided, this is why:
1. I worked for different employers before coming here, CAD is not brilliant but no worse than others in supply for staff. My last employer hired too many than VR too many in the 90s and end up with too little again. Coming up with the right numbers all the time is a lot harder than you think. I am sorry for you if you think this is so simple. Wait 6 months and you will hear what the FAA will do to fix their post PATCO retirement problems.
2. If someone works on his day off to make sure I get a decent meal break when there are sickies, I am not going to write him off. Of course, you may have your personal hatred for him, for us on APP he certainly did more to contain the workload than the previous check controller and raised the standard of some very ordininary locals.
2.He is the only one from the office who knows what goes on but you are blaming him for that. He is still better than the big chief and many others who sits in their big offices and pretends to Noman that everything is OK. I know because I spoke to Noman when we had drinks last months he knew very little about the problems in the field and cares less.
3.I agree with you that there should not be any increase in movements before our conditions get better. I am not in your union but this is what can be done - get your assoication boss mate to run a survey amongst the members, drum up the support and the president can tell the press that their members will not work any more increases without the government paying up. Imagine how much bigger a bomb shell this one will be. Achieving results is not just about how much union fees you pay.
This is where you should direct your energy into whether than waste this forum for your personal feuds, stop behaving like teenagers.

I'm an expat but to be fair I have to say there are plenty of ordinary expats here. when i'm MCH and i see FLC issues holding for the east sector. when things don't work out, Siera drop-ins. Fine by me, easy money. sorry for the drivers though.;)

If they all leave just because of ridiculous management, there will be no one left for you to bark at!:ok: shed a tear for the locals.:D

Like i said, showman will always be showman.

cheers

[uncle4]

I am not about to forgive or justify the results of what the 4th floor has created. The acute shortage of staff, the poorly managed training and the virtually non-existant leave program are only the start of a long list of real grievances that we all hold. However, if you are going to fire bullets, at least fire them for real reasons and not because of obvious personality clashes with individuals who have not been in a position to actually create your grievance.

Sounds to me Uncle4 that "Papa Bear has been gettin more Honey than Baba Bear" or are you one of those enigmatic self pleasuring people who unwittingly keep using thier personality as a contraceptive?:hmm:

I can only suggest that strong and meaningful participation in your staff association will at least get your grievances an airing...but then again?

:eek: :eek:
I mention about this guy because he is not doing his job. Instead of running round pretending to be Mr Everything, he should do something about training. Staffing problems is not his problem .... C(Ops) problem.
:uhoh:
I keep mention him cause some people say he had done alot, but that is not real ..... NOT REAL ....:p

:ugh:
ha ha ha, staff association .... we could they do? The president wants promotion, all other staff doing things their own time .... do they care?:= := :=

[wtr]

so many interest here, let me contribute.

Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course:eek: ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.

The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years.:eek: He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time:D While we work hard.

App

don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!

:D :D Totally agee!!!
No increase in movements until the isssues are sorted out ...
Airport Authority staff got a payrise plus bonuses for their 'hardwork' - what did we get?

:= := :=

[throw a dyce]

Zi2,
Perhaps you have a point there.If they had offered a Radar Course,as I requested on more than one occasion, then I might have stayed a little longer.To release people from the TWR you have to plug the spaces there.Then the locals training onto radar gets further delayed.Sounds like there is an overall shortage so perhaps CAD should be approaching the Civil Service now.
Gweilos got paid for their years experience.You have to serve your time.;)

[SuzieWong]

......No increase in movements until the isssues are sorted out ...


Oh, oh. Think its to late. Overheard in the lift that Coal Man raised it yesterday. What are they thinking???:ugh:

[6HKATC9]

so many interest here, let me contribute.

Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course:eek: ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.

The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years.:eek: He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time:D While we work hard.

App

don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!

All are simply jealous! But why there is such a scenario - poor management! As simple as that!

[38Controller]

:eek: :eek:
I mention about this guy because he is not doing his job. Instead of running round pretending to be Mr Everything, he should do something about training. Staffing problems is not his problem .... C(Ops) problem.


I do not agree := .

All those Chiefs should work together to solve the staffing problem; we should not leave this single problem to only one Chief. Staffing problems are also his problem, don't forget he takes care of training; where do we get staff - from training. I believe repeat, I believe he will try his very best to work out some solutions to help out the not-so-ideal situation we have here. C(OPS) already voiced out that the staffing situation will improve early next year. Can't you be patient a bit for a few more months? You have somewhat 20+ years to go, but you always complain acrimoniously, if this behaviour perseveres, I am afraid your heart cannot endure very long :ugh: .

Beside, thanks for reporting how many sickies each day :ouch: , I wonder if you can do a better job as a reporter rather than an ATCO, TVx is hiring staff you should consider! If assistance required, come to my office I write you a recommendation letter :ok: . Uncle, I think you have exaggerated the sickie situation here. People will get sick because of mountains of reason; may I draw your attention to our Bible - Manual of ATC Part 10 Chapter 2 Medical Fitness. We have two hundred plus staff here, it is not surprised to have staff reporting sickness. Uncle, did you ever report sick? What was your reason of reporting sick? Don't tell me it is because you don't like the people here (then you shouldn't be here). I can only say about these sickies that some people are more prone to sick than others; some people follow AIRAC (28-day) although a few of them tend to be shorter than that.

Trouble-makers are ubiquitous; we had vandalism at 4th Floor recently, it is not worth to sin; I hope you are not this psycho :suspect: .

I am a Chinese and I am a controller. I am speaking for neither 3rd Floor + 4th Floor nor 6th Floor + roof people but my Bewußtsein. Welcome to debate with me, you never win over justification. My f:mad: g door is always open :} .

Is there counseling officer in CAD? :O

[By-stander]

It is kind of funny to watch the feud going on between Uncle 4 and our Big Brother 4. I agreed that the management is totally responsible for the staffing situation we are facing today but going personal on individual is just pathetic.
Like many others, I am working 4 days followed by a single day break because of the shortage of staff but I am definately not complaining about it. It represents a great opportunity for me to accumulate more hours so that I can retire a bit earlier.
I think Uncle 4 should take the advice of Borther 4 in seriously thinking of looking for greener pasture. All these dissatisfaction with the department won't be doing any good to your health. And may I remind you that the rule of law is unheard of in CAD so you don't have the slightest chance of surviving a radar course let alone getting into one because of what you have said so far.
As for the management, why bother to start more training courses as we will eventually be taken over by our next door neighbour anyway.

[6HKATC9]

It is kind of funny to watch the feud going on between Uncle 4 and our Big Brother 4. I agreed that the management is totally responsible for the staffing situation we are facing today but going personal on individual is just pathetic.
Like many others, I am working 4 days followed by a single day break because of the shortage of staff but I am definately not complaining about it. It represents a great opportunity for me to accumulate more hours so that I can retire a bit earlier.
I think Uncle 4 should take the advice of Borther 4 in seriously thinking of looking for greener pasture. All these dissatisfaction with the department won't be doing any good to your health. And may I remind you that the rule of law is unheard of in CAD so you don't have the slightest chance of surviving a radar course let alone getting into one because of what you have said so far.
As for the management, why bother to start more training courses as we will eventually be taken over by our next door neighbour anyway.

WongMo must be happy now as when he sees this cos' the attention is diverted to Brother-Uncle affair! :D

[bekolblockage]

Like many others, I am working 4 days followed by a single day break because of the shortage of staff but I am definately not complaining about it. It represents a great opportunity for me to accumulate more hours so that I can retire a bit earlier.
I sincerely hope, for your sake, that you are not involved in a serious incident or accident attributable to work-induced fatigue.
You may well find yourself getting early retirement sooner than you think - and a lot poorer.
Have a word with poor Gradimir Tasic (formerly Zagreb ATC, in case you're too young to recall), if you need further convincing.
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-bea476.shtml

[wtr]

YOU HAVE PRESSURE, I HAVE PRESSURE!
:\
Relax everybody!!!
;)

[CCA102]

Totally agee!!!
No increase in movements until the isssues are sorted out ...
Airport Authority staff got a payrise plus bonuses for their 'hardwork' - what did we get?


:= You get Annual Increment (for some people), Salary Assurance, Contract (for some people), Job Satisfaction AND ...
EG.
(NOT MORE THAN ONE HOUR := )
-COALMAN

Enjoy you day, darling!
--
AirChina102

[throw a dyce]

Hey By Stander,
I hope that they take your Toil into consideration when you leave,but it didn't make a blind bit of difference to me.I could have been positive or negative.All that happened is I was told to hand in my pass,and escorted from the ATCX by a very junior member of staff,like some criminal.No thanks from 4th floor or anything.Just F:mad: off and don't come back!
As I keep ranting CAD forgot a VERY important aspect of the genuine copy of UK legal hours.Minimum time off.4 on ,1 off or 5 on 1 off is completely illegal here.So are you guys immune to fatigue or something.Or is a macho HK thing.:ugh:

[ter4]

hey foul mouth 38 controller looks like you've been snubbed:D :rolleyes:

[wtr]

:= You get Annual Increment (for some people), Salary Assurance, Contract (for some people), Job Satisfaction AND ...
EG.
(NOT MORE THAN ONE HOUR := )

We have EG because we work hard :ugh: ... Why do you go home early then ...? You should not accept an EG and stay in the reading room instead.:zzz:
Job satisfaction??? Yes, but not when the workload is high!!!:= :=

[38Controller]

hey foul mouth 38 controller looks like you've been snubbed:D :rolleyes:

Am I being snubbed? I don’t know what you meant exactly? Honestly, I don’t care.

Life is not always a box of chocolate especially this part of the world. Some are luckier than others and some are not. But I still believe if we keep up the good work, we will get our share finally. People like to work in a place of good reputation, if you don’t like this Department, try this, work at your best to provide a good service to the pilot; this will further improve the image of Department.

How nice this career can give one great job satisfaction together with high pay! :O

[Lovely_Management]

I can only suggest that strong and meaningful participation in your staff association will at least get your grievances an airing...but then again?

The Association is a club. If we fight for something, we should fight for a a clubhouse so that they can run more social functions. How nice if we have the president as our bartender! A practical thought. :sad:

[LapSap]

:= You get Annual Increment
um.........no
Salary Assurance
.........assurance that the government can cut my salary further at any time
Contract
........no guarantee
Job Satisfaction
........getting less and less each day
AND ...
EG.
NO!

Enjoy you day, darling!

You too sweety.:E

[Lovely_Management]

Contract........no guarantee

Job Satisfaction........getting less and less each day

E.G.....


Contract.....We are running very very short of controller here, so gweilo's contract are almost assured unless you are "lapsap" :ouch:

Job Satisfaction.....try to w:mad: an k off while giving off takeoff/landing clearance, you might have some surprise! :E

E.G.....Poor guy who left 1.5 hours earlier the other day being caught by the coal man. :bored: The deduction of half an hour TOIL was a poor managerial skill, that controller should be deducted 1.5 hours TOIL instead. Although the coal man briefed the twr soap his one-hour eg rule, everything was back to the square one the next day.

Third floor, fourth floor and sixth floor.....are same same - things of the same kind!

Anyway, I like the management here cos' it gives me lots of fun in this forum these days. Imagine that everyday we push, clear, taxi, doing the same job, we do need some entertainment!

PPRuNe :ok:

[AIRCHINA102]

:D :D Totally agee!!!
No increase in movements until the isssues are sorted out ...
Airport Authority staff got a payrise plus bonuses for their 'hardwork' - what did we get?

:= := :=

You can visit "Tim Kee Cafe Bar". It is free! :p

[wtr]

You can visit "Tim Kee Cafe Bar". It is free! :p

:E What's your problem???
What cafe bar? :ugh:

Go back to your b:mad: y roster .... Oh, they kicked you out already.:D
Heard they are buying a new program .... you don't need to come back and manage the roster again (during your days off).

POOR GUY ... All that sacrifice for nothing!!!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[AIRCHINA102]

:E What's your problem???
What cafe bar? :ugh:

Go back to your b:mad: y roster .... Oh, they kicked you out already.:D
Heard they are buying a new program .... you don't need to come back and manage the roster again (during your days off).

POOR GUY ... All that sacrifice for nothing!!!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It's okay. He can live without the roster program. :O
That is not sacrifice, it is a contribution. I am sure he will be looking for more contribution. This is just something personal - his walk of life.

Anyway, I am sorry to know about you guys have all those sorrows, I hope the situation will improve soon. God bless you all. ;)

[wtr]

It's okay. He can live without the roster program. :O
That is not sacrifice, it is a contribution. I am sure he will be looking for more contribution. This is just something personal - his walk of life.

Anyway, I am sorry to know about you guys have all those sorrows, I hope the situation will improve soon. God bless you all. ;)

:= := What? 'contribution'. The first rule of life - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. :cool:
I wonder what he wants ...

Thanks for the 'contribution'. :D :D
We are doing just fine!!! Help not required :mad: ... We have proper people doing these things ... if not, we have the money!!!
May GOD bless you to:ok: