Jobs in Philippines (even at other place)

[newnaia]

Hi there!
I am a 25-year-old male, currently suffering of finding pilot jobs in Philippines. I am working in Cebu flying PA28-180 now but it's hard to afford my life for good. I did my training in canada and have obtained CPL Multi Instrument.
I have TT340 ME40 PIC around 200 now. I am a korean national and a permanent residence of Philippines, legally allowed work in this country.
If you guys can help me out in getting any better job in philippines or its ok for me even working in africa. Plz share your knowledge and experience you guys have earned when you were looking for a job.
Thoughts and insider knowledge sooooo~ welcomed!! Time is ticking away!
Regards

[tropicbus]

newnaia,

airlines in the phils are hiring right now but i'm afraid you don't meet the minimum requirements yet. try the commuters, maybe asian spirit or seair, but you'd have to find a "padrino," if you know what i mean. any chance you can still afford to get a rating in any of the aircraft flown by the commuters? might help. but be sure to get their assurance first before diving into it.

hope this helps.

[semper fi]

You need to have Filipino citizenship to work in any major airline in the Philippines..................:{

[DrahNa]

minimum requirements depends on who you know...does an SO position interests you?...if so, your hours is more than enough.


reallywannabepilot....any companies that would hire me? I posted my time on my last posts on PAL exodus.... Please give me some insights in working in the phils. Thank you:ugh:

[Cessna1052]

Reallyawanna,

i think theres a difference between hiring an PAL avschool grad from a Gen av pilot mainly the time requirement; No time requirement for PAL AV as long as he/she is a graduate and 1200hours for outsiders of which horsepower must be above 500BHP total in case of 2 engine props. So, if PAL still applies this; definitely his time doesn't qualify just yet.

And you are definitely correct, getting in also depends on who you know.

[newnaia]

I konw that who i do know is key thing specially here in the philippines. since i decided to do my training in canada, i know no one in aviation industry except a few number of pilots who flies single engine and non-IFR-rated.
Someone told me that if i had TT500 on planes more than 300HP, I could apply for S/O and may be(or probably) hired by them. i heard this last may from an ATO officer.
actually i went PAL operation department to meet HRD and ask regarding minimum requirements in PAL. A woman security guard called HRD office when i got there, they talked 1 or 2 mins and the woman security guard told me 'they are all out'. she was talking to a ghost officer on the phone probably. i also passed my resume i thought they used them as scratch papers.
any solutions for me? how about Cebu Pacific? any one know about minimums at asian spirit and seair? I am really considering to move to southern africa to build up time as an option. no kidding at all!
before i try there, i also want to do everything to get a job here in the philippines. anyone knows any jobs in philippines plz pm me or reply.
I am waiting for your great help before make a reservation for a ticket to africa. Thank you guys all!!!

regards!

p.s. is it true that i need filipino citizenship to work in airline? then what my permanent residence of Phil. stands for? I am perfectly confused.

[planestupid]

NO PINOY PASSPORT = NO WORK as AIRLINE PILOT .....(READ the AO) It is like this in many parts of the world.... this is not exclusive to the Philippines!!

[Eight Ball]

Hi Planestupid,

Check your PM :ok:


Eight Ball

[DeltaSix]

I how about Cebu Pacific? any one know about minimums
p.s. is it true that i need filipino citizenship to work in airline? then what my permanent residence of Phil. stands for? I am perfectly confused.

Cebu Pac requires at least 1500 hours TT.

In regards to your permanent residency, let me clarify. There is a distinct difference between being a resident from being a citizen of a country.

Permanent residency gives you the right to work and live there but citizenship gives you the constitutional right to become a full-pledged Filipino. If the Philippines went to war tommorrow, you will probably not be called to serve, whereas a citizen has the duty to defend the country's constitution and territories and therefore can be conscripted whether he/she likes it or not.

An airline invests a lot of time and money training pilots and will invest those resources to citizens only. Same as the country you came from if not most countries. They will not accept ab-initio cadets if they are not citizens.

My advise to you is go back to Korea and apply there. I know a Korean guy here in Sydney who barely had 400 hours total time and he was accepted at KAL 8 months ago and is now an F/O on a B747-400 and has a type rating on an A330.

I'm speaking from what I have seen and heard from KAL applicants.

Hope this helps

Deltasix

[semper fi]

Jeez guys, tell the blokes they need to be RP citizens to fly for PR or other RP majors, don't lead them around, it's not fair!!:uhoh:

[DeltaSix]

Sorry to divert from the topic a bit.... don't mean to hijack the thread.

I know a guy who went to Europe, converted his license to JAR, went to Florida and flew for 25 hours in a multi, got and paid for his 737 type rating and is now an F/O on the 738 in the U.K.
All in record time..... 250 HOURS TOTAL in his logbook !!!..... Man, I'm in the wrong country.

I don't know if this is a usual trend but flying is so costly in EU that a lot of people cannot afford the training, thus the LCC airlines bringing down their requirements. Look at RyanAir's in Ireland. PAL and the rest will be shocked.

Don't know about their insurance premiums though, it must cost them a bit.


D6

[planestupid]

D6,

flying in europe would be great...unfortunately for pinoys is that converting to a JAA licence and obtaining a work permit is near impossible. Like the Philippines, they protect their flying jobs. Unless you know of a way... please PM me if you do..

Salamat

[newnaia]

wow... i am in wrong country...
i dont go back to korea anymore for good. i have my family here thats why i am trying to get a job here. now have no optin and should look for a job overseas. thanks guys.

cheers!

[DeltaSix]

Newnaia,

Don't despair, unfortunately as a pilot, you don't pick the place where you work sometimes if not most of the time so get used to it. Quoting partly on the title of your thread - it says "even at other place ". Well, this is the "other place". Be flexible.

Email this Korean guy as he is the one who got in at 400 hours with KAL.
His name is Boo. His email address is [email protected] and tell him of your situation. He is very helpful. Go get it man before the door closes.

Good luck matey. Chin up.

D6

[DeltaSix]

D6,

flying in europe would be great...unfortunately for pinoys is that converting to a JAA licence and obtaining a work permit is near impossible. Like the Philippines, they protect their flying jobs. Unless you know of a way... please PM me if you do..

Salamat


Planestupid,

Most of the work permit are issued to 1st up to 3rd generation Europeans only (If memory serves me). Having said that, I know of a Filipino girl here who was sponsored by a company to go to London and was given a work visa for 5 years. So, it is possible. However, you need to pass the JAR ATPL first which consists of 14 subjects. If you already have an ICAO ATP license and are type rated then it might be easier to convert it to JAR. Eu is also short on pilots especially with the LCCs. UK is not the only country in EU. Contact one of the airlines if you have their requirements and if you are interested. Or send your resume (CV) to PARC, they are one of the placement agencies for pilots in that part of the world amongst others.


Cheers

D6

[Glidepath2]

Hi! Guys I am new to this forum and this is my first post as well. I am looking for a Flying Job any where around the world. I am a CPL/IR holder FAA & CAA with a single engine rating. Even willing get Multi rating with 100 hour's that make it about 450 total time. I was wondering any gentle man want to help me out for my flying job. I am a US citizen living in New Jersey. I am not intersted in CFI stuff. Is there any other way to get a Job or to build hours. I may go for type rating too if job guaranted.

Saeed Syed

[newnaia]

Thanks guys!!
really appreciate your help and info.
finally made a decision to be somewhere in africa by november.
let u konw when i get there!

Cheers!

[DrahNa]

Thanks guys!!
really appreciate your help and info.
finally made a decision to be somewhere in africa by november.
let u konw when i get there!

Cheers!

Newnai,

Hey mate If you don't mind to PM me where in Africa you are going.... I need to build some more multi time myself and I am willing to go anywhere in the world....:ugh:

Cheers mate

[Cessna1052]

Hi Newnaia and Hi Drahna,

I feel very much your anxiety, your worries of how to find your way to a decent airline job.
I too, did apply to an African airlines during my early days, and I would say that i was so lucky not to find my way into any of them.
Both of you, im sure have never seen Africa(my present company operates from all sides). If the two of you say that you are young and willing, think again guys, Africa is not the place for you.

If you still want to live and fly those wide body jets, stay away from that continent.:=
Desperation will lead you nowhere and aiming too high almost always gives you the probability of missing it.
If you can't get yourself over a mountain right now, why not try a Hill for the meantime. Experience is what you need and you'll get it thru exposure,no matter how big or small your airplane is. Most of us here did the same thing, started from small prop airplanes to Big beautiful jets, from the Bottom to the Top.

Newnaia, there are lots of charter companies operating all around the Philippines and with the massive airline demand for experience Pilots im sure open slots are just there waiting. Move out of that hole and find yourself a job.

Drahna, you got a steady job i supposed. It may be very tiring as you previously described it, but believed me once you found your way into the airline it will be the very same complain that you'll be saying(of course, not that you carry the pax baggages to the cargo bay as you do today).
Just for the meantime Stay with your job, get the time, get that left seat(even on a Caravan).

The right time is there to come, don't rush because falling along the way will further delay your objectives....slowly but surely as they say.

I am not putting you down guys, i am just trying to point you on the right direction.

Goodluck and All the best:ok: ....stay safe in flying.

C1052

[Cessna1052]

Jeez guys, tell the blokes they need to be RP citizens to fly for PR or other RP majors, don't lead them around, it's not fair!!:uhoh:


Hi Guys,
Semper fi is right, lets not lead this blokes around, its not fair(I, too,am guilty). All of us in this thread who are Airline pilots know very well that their time will not be considered in an Airline, whether because of their Passports or their TTime. Some guys said that they need Padrinos, at some point they need to be nutcrackers to be accepted in PAL etc etc..,but getting into a Major Carrier with only this amount of flight experience is merely by chance(probably caused by a very strong outside force).

Lets be Honest, you're not Airline qualifieds(YET). For the meantime, stop aiming for the Majors, Turn your heads and go to those Charter companies, Flying schools, Cargo companies, Small scheduled carriers and low cost carriers. Your time will definitely fit in,No Doubt.
To all of us sharing ourselves into this thread, lets try giving them correct informations. If one says that he knew somebody joining Big airlines with less than 300hours on his book, pls try telling the whole story,that guy could have been the Son of the VP, of a Politician, of a Captain or somebody close to the owners. In this way, we provide them with the truth and the help they need.

All the Best Guys:O
C1052

[newnaia]

Cessna1052, plz check your PM.

Cheers.

[DeltaSix]

If one says that he knew somebody joining Big airlines with less than 300hours on his book, pls try telling the whole story,that guy could have been the Son of the VP, of a Politician, of a Captain or somebody close to the owners. In this way, we provide them with the truth and the help they need.

All the Best Guys:O
C1052

I have to admit that one of them has an uncle from the inside which I guess might be of help, but the rest, especially the one in Europe were just plain lucky as the LCC's were desperate.

D6 :ok:

[MD11Engineer]

D6,

flying in europe would be great...unfortunately for pinoys is that converting to a JAA licence and obtaining a work permit is near impossible. Like the Philippines, they protect their flying jobs. Unless you know of a way... please PM me if you do..

Salamat
Not a pilot, but from a licenced engineers point of view:
Actually most European airlines have nationally very mixed crews, they get their pilots from whereever they can get them.
BTW, for Engineers/Mechanics in Germany, there exists an old bilateral agreement between the Philippines and Germany from the 1950s and which never has been revoked, which automatically grants any Filipino mechanic engineer etc. a work permit if he can get a contract with a German company.
In my old job I helped several Pinoy mechanics to get jobs in Germany.
I think this agreement must also work the other way, so that I should be able to work in the Philippines.

Jan

[DeltaSix]

I think this agreement must also work the other way, so that I should be able to work in the Philippines.
Jan


Jan,

I agree with you there, however, I'm not sure if there is abundance of aircraft mechanic's job in the Philippines. I could be wrong though. They could've all gone overseas and left a hole there coz they were pi**ed off.

I know that the son ( or grandson maybe ) of the German aircraft manufacturer ( Dornier ) is in the Philippines living and working there. I think he is married to a Filipino lady though.


D6

[Glidepath2]

Hi! Guys I am new to this forum and this is my first post as well. I am looking for a Flying Job any where around the world. I am a CPL/IR holder FAA & CAA with a single engine rating. Even willing get Multi rating with 100 hour's that make it about 450 total time. I was wondering any gentle man want to help me out for my flying job. I am a US citizen living in New Jersey. I am not intersted in CFI stuff. Is there any other way to get a Job or to build hours. I may go for type rating too if job guaranted.

Saeed Syed
[email protected]

[DeltaSix]

I am not intersted in CFI stuff. Is there any other way to get a Job or to build hours. I may go for type rating too if job guaranted.

Saeed Syed
[email protected]

Glidepath2, No point in buying a type rating, I found that one out long time ago. You might as well use the money to support yourself while you build up the hours. If you're not interested in instructing, there's a whole lot more that you can do there in the U.S. Like banner towing, traffic watch, dropping skydivers, charters, joyflights, get a seaplane endorsement and maybe go to Florida or the Bahamas, or bush flying if you come here to Australia ( if you can get visa ). Or go to the southern part of the Philippines and fly for the tourist operators ( again, check for work visas ).

If you really have the money to burn, buy a 737-800 or A330 rating and pay Eagle Jet International between 25,000 - 40,000 USD to get you 500 hours as F/O and I've heard that the airline you train with place people in jobs after training. That's what some rich people do but I strongly advice against it.

Just a suggestion, make sure that while you clock up time, do it on IFR flights if you can and I mean IFR in IMC. No use filing IFR flight plans in VMC. Get that solid foundation behind you but whatever you do, don't kill yourself. Know your limitations and slowly build on that.

Intiende ?... Capiche ?... get what I'm saying ?

Go and surf the world.

D6

[Pascual7E7]

What are the minimum requirement for regional carriers like Asian Spirit or Air Philippines like?

?????????:confused:

[DeltaSix]

What are the minimum requirement for regional carriers like Asian Spirit or Air Philippines like?

?????????:confused:


No idea, maybe someone from those airlines could answer this.
Have you checked their website ?..... or just ring them.


D6

[newnaia]

What are the minimum requirement for regional carriers like Asian Spirit or Air Philippines like?

?????????:confused:

Sorry for super-late.
I had a chance to talk to a pilot(LET F/O) of Seair(similar to asian spirit) a couple months ago.
and he says minimum requirements are 1000 TT, instrument rating and no multi engine rating required. but if you have multi rating, it helps.
check their website. you will know their fleets. and there are some e-mails.
i sent dozen and nothing came back. if you want to join them, come over here
meet them in person.

Best Regards,

Newnaia