Nepalese Pilots

[indonep]

Hi! People
I am a new member on PPRuNE!
Need some information on COnversion rules in Nepal.
Also am a Nepali national currently training in the USA as per DGCA requirements & hope to return to India and convert my FAA CPL to a DGCA CPL by october 2006.

Please give me what ever infromation with regard to the two countries - NEPAL & INDIA.

Thank you.

[iamanaussiemavrick]

Wait for LeftWing JI's reply...

He has the correct one for u...

Regards

Kanak

[winglet_fever]

Wait for LeftWing JI's reply...

He has the correct one for u...

Regards

Kanak

oh boy do you learn quick. well done L.W.:ok:

[Left Wing]

thks guys just doing my best ! ..:cool:

Nepal ...cant help you; DGCA India check their web site.

[masalama]

Wait for LeftWing JI's reply

I like the use of "ji" .....I'm gonna be called masalamaji ...nice :D :ok:

[iamanaussiemavrick]

Hey,,

When will U guys call me Kanak Ji....

Hope my day will also come....:hmm: :p

[haree]

KANAK "JI"

Calling Ji is not a qualification..Try to be successful in your career and life in the looong run...
!!

[iamanaussiemavrick]

Sorry if i meant any other thing. That is all what i meant..A successful career and life...as everyone of us aspires.

anyway best wishes to all..

[indonep]

thks guys just doing my best ! ..:cool:

Nepal ...cant help you; DGCA India check their web site.


Hi! Left Wing.I checked the DGCA Website.And read all the forms too. The doubt is this - for appearing for the Conversion EXams it says in the end -"if foreigner submit form thru employer/sponsoring organisation". Are Nepali Citizens considered foreigners?
can't I appear for the DGCA exams by "self-sponsoring"?

Hope you can find the answers!
Thank you

[Left Wing]

If you do not have an Indian passport you are a foreigner...quite the common sence mate !

[indonep]

If you do not have an Indian passport you are a foreigner...quite the common sence mate !

If I do not have an indian passport i am definately a foreigner.BUT as i had mentioned earlier that the constitution of india has exceptions with regards to Nepal & Bhutan.

so,do DGCA see nepalis as foreigners or they follow the rules followed by indians???

[divinesoul]

hi indonep
Its true when you say that Indian govt doesnt view a nepali or bhutanese as foreigners but in aviation i am not too sure about that.the best thing for you to do is call up DGCA and ask.Also find out if there are nepali pilots working in any of the airlines in India.
Good luck

[indonep]

hi indonep
Its true when you say that Indian govt doesnt view a nepali or bhutanese as foreigners but in aviation i am not too sure about that.the best thing for you to do is call up DGCA and ask.Also find out if there are nepali pilots working in any of the airlines in India.
Good luck

divinesoul thank you for the message. air Deccan got a few nepali pilots but they have prior flying experience on turboprops.the last option i guess will be to get an indian citizenship. that should take care of all the problems and confusions in my mind.

Blue skies!

[masalama]

Well I personally know of a few Indian pilots who during the last aviation downturn('96-'00) worked for a few carriers in Nepal like Buddha air and so on....so I'm pretty sure that nepalis can work in India...but to be on the safe side go see someone in DGCA when u go to Delhi next....

[indonep]

Well I personally know of a few Indian pilots who during the last aviation downturn('96-'00) worked for a few carriers in Nepal like Buddha air and so on....so I'm pretty sure that nepalis can work in India...but to be on the safe side go see someone in DGCA when u go to Delhi next....

Hi! Masalama
thanks for the positive info. By the way..are there any efficient ground classes for DGCA papers in Mumbai?

[Left Wing]

The only way you will get a reply from DGCA is to go there and ask. Also helps if you have some kind of contacts :{ :{ .

try www.air-titan.com for grd school in COK not in BOM..very good pro set up. BOM is not the best place for grd school.

[indonep]

The only way you will get a reply from DGCA is to go there and ask. Also helps if you have some kind of contacts :{ :{ .

try www.air-titan.com (http://www.air-titan.com) for grd school in COK not in BOM..very good pro set up. BOM is not the best place for grd school.


Leftwing. thanx for the air titan link. how about delhi for ground school?
I personally think i need ground training only for Navigation paper. Air Regulation & Meterology is fine. how much d you think its gonna cost for a 1 month class?

Also,Personally what do you think about the shortage of pilots in india? is it really that bad of the media has exegeggarated the figures??

thanks.

[Left Wing]

Close to 250 aircrafts on order by the airlines, each aircraft needs approx 6 sets of pilots..you do the math now !

The shortage is huge right now, hence jobs are easy will remain this way for 2yrs, and the Indian guys are the envy of the world of aviation.


250 hrs TT and RHS of a ATR,320,737NG,E170...:\

[JAJAJA]

Hi, does anybody know when this law is going to change?
Because Indian has a shortage of Captains and F/O (copilots), so they will need expat pilots to continue the normal operations. i think is just time to see expat pilots as F/O. What do you think left wing?

[Left Wing]

JAJA, xpat Capts yes more than 200 already flying in India...LOW TIME NON TYPE RATED F/O (copilots) NO...XPAT FO = 500 HRS ON TYPE =320,NG etc etc...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231862

PLS READ MY REPLY & Virtual Reality's reply..

and who cares what I think ! :\

[JAJAJA]

What about expat pilot (around 600TT) type rated but no experience on type?
What we are talking about is a goverment law or company policy?
And what is going to happen in the future?

Thank you

[indonep]

JAJA, xpat Capts yes more than 200 already flying in India...LOW TIME NON TYPE RATED F/O (copilots) NO...XPAT FO = 500 HRS ON TYPE =320,NG etc etc...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231862

PLS READ MY REPLY & Virtual Reality's reply..

and who cares what I think ! :\

HEY! Leftwing
thank you for the information!I feel rejuvinated for once!!For one i thought i was among the last ones training to be a pilot!!
good luck everybody

[masalama]

As i type this, we have hundreds if not thousands of Indian nationals training to get their CPL and we'll definitely have enough Indian CPL holders to fill F/O slots in about a year or two...in the meantime I think u'll find a case by case approval from DGCA for expat F/O with experience , eg. ATR 42 rated and experienced.
It's gonna take a while though for India to be selfsufficent with commanders , at least 5 years or more....that's my point of view.....:eek: :eek:

[indonep]

As i type this, we have hundreds if not thousands of Indian nationals training to get their CPL and we'll definitely have enough Indian CPL holders to fill F/O slots in about a year or two...in the meantime I think u'll find a case by case approval from DGCA for expat F/O with experience , eg. ATR 42 rated and experienced.
It's gonna take a while though for India to be selfsufficent with commanders , at least 5 years or more....that's my point of view.....:eek: :eek:


Hi people please give me some more information.Having discussed with my friends the requirements for DGCA CPL, some dont have math and physics in high school and have a commerce background..

what is the quickest way for them to appear for these 2 exams? which board/univ. what time of the year to register??

IF in USA what mat & phy qualification to take so that it will be valid in india?

thanks to all.

indonep

[indonep]

Hi people please give me some more information.Having discussed with my friends the requirements for DGCA CPL, some dont have math and physics in high school and have a commerce background..

what is the quickest way for them to appear for these 2 exams? which board/univ. what time of the year to register??

IF in USA what mat & phy qualification to take so that it will be valid in india?

thanks to all.

indonep

[tex8vc]

Hiya,

Minimum requirement for CPL is Higher Secondary (10+2) not High School (10th) as advised by your friends.

In India, for 10+2, you would like to enroll at Open school, with just required subjects. Examination conducted twice a year. www.nos.org (http://www.nos.org)

However, in US it is known as high school diploma grade 12 (as far as I know, please confirm it ). with online option with several schools. In this case you are required to take all the papers for both the subjects.

Please note, should you take it overseas (U.S.), you would need to get a evaluation done in India by Association of Indian Universities. www.aiuweb.org (http://www.aiuweb.org)


Good Luck!

[indonep]

PEOPLE thank you very much for all your replies. I have a new question for you all...
are you people aware of any airline in INDIA hiring fresh pilots (indian nationals) who only have a FAA CPL and are still in the process of clearing the DGCA PAPERS?

thank you

indonep

[tex8vc]

CLEAR in all DGCA papers, FIRST!

[indonep]

so does it mean that I made a BIG mistake coming to USA for pilot training without clearing DGCA papers??

[haree]

so does it mean that I made a BIG mistake coming to USA for pilot training without clearing DGCA papers??
YES - If you thought you'll get a job with a foreign CPL only
NO - If you thought you can give the conversion papers after getting back
So in your present condition you'll not even get a deaf ear by the airlines until you clear your conversion paper(s). That is you'll be unemployable in india until you have a DGCA CPL , Indian RTR+FRTOL.
I know this doesnt make things better but you should've been aware of this..
On the brighter side, hey.. most of them in training abroad are in ur same situation.. come back prepare clear the conversion papers and then carryon with your dream with a 6 month delay
Haree

[tex8vc]

Indonep,
Its not really a big issue! As Haree said, you can go back and sit for papers but you should have known this before you comitted yourself for FAA. No harm though!

Good Luck!

[indonep]

Hi! People,
thank you for your replies.I come from a FAmily of pilots and I think that I have been slightly misunderstood here.I have all the required information with regards to the DGCA CPL. ithink I need to reframe my previous question.

Is any airline in INDIA giving Provisional Employment to tohse who return return with a CPL from foreign country- USA/UK/CANADA/AUSTRALIA ETC.
Provisional employment means that as soon as one cleares the DGCA papers & medicals he will be immediately in.

Basically its like reserving you "seat" even before you are fully qualified....due to the big shortage of pilots.

thank you people..

[indonep]

How to land a high-flying job

Faced With Pilot Shortage, Jet Decides To Catch Them Early

Manju V | TNN



Mumbai: Thanks to the acute shortage of pilots in the country, one no longer needs a commercial pilot’s licence (CPL) to apply for a job. Jet Airways has kicked off a new scheme by inviting applications from students who have already cleared their ground training subjects and are currently being trained in flying institutes. No surprises for guessing that Jet is in the forefront of a trend with its new vacancy-filling tactics.
Taking note of the poor response to Indian Airlines’ call for applications from pilots a few months ago, Jet has evidently decided to book future CPL holders much before they enter the job market. Indian Airlines, which had called for applications from CPL holders to fill up 239 vacant posts for co-pilots, managed to fill up only 31 posts due to the pilot shortage. This despite the fact that a trainee\co-pilot takes home a pay cheque of Rs 1.5 lakh every month.
After a fleet-expansion spree last year, all airlines are battling pilot
shortages today. While the country’s airlines need about 1,000 pilots a year, only about 300 CPL holders enter the job market annually. To meet the shortage, the airlines bring in foreign pilots despite the fact that they have to be paid much more than their Indian counterparts.
In a determined bid to deal with the crunch, Jet decided to change its eligibility criteria for filling up vacant posts for co-pilots. The airline invited applications for the posts of trainee first officers for its Boeings and turbo propellers (ATRs) from holders of the CPL and ATPL (airline transport pilot’s licence) and also from students who had cleared the DGCA’s CPL (ground training) papers.
This in effect means that students who have a ten-hour or 100-hour flying experience and are training in flying clubs can line up for jobs as pilots in Jet Airways. However, a Jet source said preference would be given to students who were close to completing their 200 hours of flying—the minimum mandatory flying hours for earning a CPL.

[tex8vc]

Indopop, although I do not come from family of pilots but I guess (with very little knowledge I have), I very well understood your question and replied accordingly! Which you also confirmed with your last post!

As stated in your last post, Jet would not hire unless DGCA papers are cleared! Try to understand, Jet can help in building flying skills/ hrs but not with DGCA exams. Once DGCA exams are cleared, Jet knows the only requirement left is flying hours which is not a big issue if papers are cleared!
So, NO JOB without DGCA papers.

In fact I guess you are confused and misunderstanding the information. There are two situations.
Lets put it this way:

1. An Indian student living in India, cleared all DGCA papers with 10/200 hrs applies for a Job!? Yes

2. An Indian student living overseas or India with JAA/FAA/CASA/CAA CPL with 10/500 Hrs!? NO (Unless DGCA conversion papers are cleared)

So what does above equates to; DGCA Papers First.
Whichever way you go, when you apply, you would need Clear in ALL DGCA papers, with or without flying hours.

From what I know, with DGCA papers cleared, airline is sure that one would not have problem with flying. But if they hire someone without DGCA papers, they do not know how long he/she would take to clear those papers!???

I hope this would help you understand your situation a degree better!? If not, do write back!

Good Luck!

[indonep]

thanx for the message.
I may have the whole world but ultimately its the DGCA papers that need to be cleared first. Gotta work for Jan 2007 exams as I expect to return by OCT End.

Is it true that someone who does flying first has a better understanding of DGCA exam stuff than those who do the theory by attending classes then come for flying lessons?

AS you also would have heard like me the rumors about DGCA undergoing major changes also that they will change the EXAMS style by issuing a book to study from and a question bank of about 1,000 questions to practice from.

Whatever they do,they should atleast make it computerised and friendly like the FAA in America.. Give the exam whenever you are ready & no waiting period of 3-3-3-3 months!!!
Do you people think anything is gonna happen in the near future?

[tex8vc]

Hey mate you are getting smart! Good!
About DGCA, things are moving in right direction but as you know, it would take some time. Kaw Committee made some very strong recommendations for DGCA including, changes in Examination pattern. Lets see what comes up!

I agree with you that DGCA should at least publish sample test papers. Here in NZCAA, we get about 50 multiple choice question for all the subjects and I am sure it is similar in US!? I wonder how is it with DGCA? Do they have multiple choice pattern or descriptive? Does anyone know? It might help you to get in touch with someone in India and get some reference books.

About theory first or flying... I guess it is very subjective. I strongly feel it works both ways. And when flying, theory helps very little. One can not fly with reference to a guide or book. It is very much matter of practice! With my very limited exposure, I have seen that practical performance of theory scholars is very seldom as good as their theory performance and vise versa.

This happens because we have to use another medium in theory, e.i language! To make it simple for you; one can be very good in flying but if that person does not know the language, its not possible to clear theory papers. But again not passing theory does not make him/her bad pilot! So there is a strong need of ‘research in examination pattern of practical based subject’ such as, flying in relation to stress and other factors!

Flying is for sure very technical. All we can learn in theory are ‘fundamentals’ and that’s it! And feel, it is better to know fundaments before you taking practical. But I can be wrong as I said it becomes very subjective in case of practical subjects!
At the end it boils down to You, Iron and Air!

[indonep]

:ok:
Thank you for your message.
I am almost about to get my PPL!! Loads to study for the Stage Checks.
Just a word of caution to ALL..Please stay away from AMERICAN SCHOOL OF AVIATION located at ATWATER,CALIFORNIA ,USA(www.iflyasa.com (http://www.iflyasa.com))
I have been their victim and 100s of Indians are been victimised!

what they say/write on the website is all lies!! I signed a contract to be trained on PIPER SENECA....they dont even have the aircraft!!!
average flying per student per months is 6 hours...YES SIX HOURS PER MONTH!!! aircrafts are not airworthy..FAA grounds then often.

I feel really bad that hte owner is in Indian origin "PRINCE SINGH" and his egyptian american wife --ERENY KOZMAN... she goes on regular tours to INDIA...helps students get instant loans...people mortgage their houses for loan...
all the money is directly transfered to the school's account and they are stuck!!! No refunds... if you wish to transfer to another school...they threaten to cancel your visa!!!

Please people make everyone you can...aware about this school.SPecially Indians in Delhi/chandigarh/Punjab..thats where they do most of marketing besides Mumbai.!!
Thank You!

[tex8vc]

I guess you are yet to be smart!
Something similar happened to one of my friend in U.S. but he was smarter then the flying school! He asked school director to pay back this fee or he would lodge a complaint. But Director did not bother and then... he actually lodged a complaint in Police with a copy to Indian High Commission and U.S. embassy in India. He won the case as he had written contract!
He not only got his fee back from that school but school was ordered to pay his living cost for that duration and he started CPL with another school!
So here you go... this happens because we let it happen. Remember you are paying for it and visa was issued for that school with 'given conditions' i.e. aircraft, hours, etc. School has no right to question your visa, infact they would never do this as the issue would bring bad name and government would be aware if the issue!
Rather, If you would have filed a complaint, they would have been forced to extent your visa till matter is resolved.
Never mind... but you should still let U.S. embassy in India know about this. Once you do this, they would just stop issuing visas for that school and no other student would be fooled!
Thanks for sharing anyway!

[Burn'em and Turn'em]

Is it true that as long as you are current all you have to do to get your Commercial license converted (FAA to DGCA) is the written tests? Furthermore, would instrument rating and multi-enigne carry over?

I spoke with an individual from a flying school and this is what I was told.

Thank you.

[haree]

You need to give IR checkrides.. Multi will be carried forward

[Burn'em and Turn'em]

Checkrides? Is there more than one instrument ride?:confused:

[masalama]

Another thing INDONEP that you can do is go to your nearest INS regional office and file a complaint about the practices of this school and how they swindle foreign students and warn them about visa cancellations.....you'll find the school's attitude changing very fast when an INS rep comes to see them....

Also go to your local FSDO and talk to an aviation safety counsellor if the aircraft are unairworthy or you see any shoddy maintenace practices going on there, I've found the FAA inspectors to be very receptive and helpful , esp. when flight schools are involved....
dont take their threats sitting down, you and your friends should do this soon, it's a free country with laws in place to stop these thugs....once u complain, if it carries on, you can always approach another flight school and complete your training and the visa situation will also be cleared.....

take care and best of luck.....:ok:

[indonep]

hey! Guys,
great to get yyour feedback on the school.I moved to another school MAZZEI FLYING SERVICE www.flymfs.com (http://www.flymfs.com) about 2 months ago...almost about to get my PPL.

As for that school...they tap innocent people from remote areas in India....Indians reading this will understand what I mean..People not having deep pockets....trusting their country men...and coming this far only to be cheated!
Owner has local contacts..has a real estate business to keep everyones mouth shut...u see money talks..... students did complain....it seemed for once that some action is bein taken but it only "seemed"!!!

Guys advice me on this.... a PPL/cpl on PA-38 later a checkout on c-152 and instrument/multi/comm on a piper semenole later a checkout on a piper seneca..... sounds good for india? total time 200 hrs multi time 46 hrs(15 on sim)

[tex8vc]

Sounds good!
I guess you have done your homework on aircrafts available in India for checks!? To be honest I am not the right person to comment on that. Someone in India should make a comment on that.
Keep it up mate!

[indonep]

Hi! People,
is it a good idea to get an FAA PPL only and return to india for DGCA conversion Exams/medicals...clear all of these then return to USA for IR/MULTI/COMM?

let me know your honest advice on this one.

[tex8vc]

Well to be honest 'given a chance' I would surely do that!

Clearing DGCA means 90% is done.

[masalama]

indonep,
when u say "CHECKOUT" on a piper senaca or C-152, that's not enough for the Indian DGCA...u need to do your "checkrides" , i.e. PPL/IR&Multi checkrides on Indian registered aircraft....In the US, a checkout is given to familiarize a candidate on a particular aircraft that he/she has not flown, it is given by an instructor, but the checkride can only be done by an FAA authorized examiner...i hope u understand th distinction and it's implications for the Indian DGCA......

[haree]

is it a good idea to get an FAA PPL only and return to india for DGCA conversion Exams/medicals

I believe you need a Valid Foreign CPL to appear for conversion exams

Although u can do the medicals

[tex8vc]

Haree,
Thanks for correction and you are right! But what is suggested is, he would not take conversion exam but clear Navigation, Meteorology and Air Regulation as three subjects!
I know quite a few people are doing it.

Hope this would clear the confusion!

Thanks!

[indonep]

Thanks for the message.I have ffwd it to my school as well as friends who just returned to india with a FAA CPL>

as for me it goes like this all single engine training on Piper tomahawk,all multi engine on piper seneca(45 hrs) basically i am doing my instrument on seneca.

also the head of our school (www.flymfs.com (http://www.flymfs.com)) mr James Brannan himself is a FAA examiner..will his endorsments be valid?

alfter all this i will get a checkout on a c-152 which I was told is valid in india..however since i will ahve a seneca training...thats enought to take care of the DGCA requirements.....right??

please let me know.
thank you.
indonep



indonep,
when u say "CHECKOUT" on a piper senaca or C-152, that's not enough for the Indian DGCA...u need to do your "checkrides" , i.e. PPL/IR&Multi checkrides on Indian registered aircraft....In the US, a checkout is given to familiarize a candidate on a particular aircraft that he/she has not flown, it is given by an instructor, but the checkride can only be done by an FAA authorized examiner...i hope u understand th distinction and it's implications for the Indian DGCA......

[tex8vc]

Sorry mate, I am not sure if DGCA would check your skills on Single Engine (on which we do most of the training) or Multi Engine (which is mostly used for MEIR) But my feeling is, if you are endorsed on Multi Engine, you would sit for Multi ride with some Indian CFI! However, I am not sure how and who would fix up a CFI and aircraft for you and how it works!
Hope you sort it out soon!

Good Luck!

[indonep]

Hi! People

could you please tell me how long should it normally take to get the instrument ,commercial & multi done after one has the PPL in hand in usa,considering the 200 hrs requirement for india?

I am basically curious to know that is it possible for an average student to finish the rest (after ppl ) in 3 months time??

thank you all.

indonep

[indonep]

hey! there
i need ur advice on this checkout and checkride thing..totally confused.just to tell you about myself i did my ppl in piper tomahawk, will fly complex single engine planes then piper semenole for multi engine rating.

c-152 or piper seneca do not come into the picture at all in my training? how do i go about qualifying in and for aircrafts available in india?

please advice!!

indonep

indonep,
when u say "CHECKOUT" on a piper senaca or C-152, that's not enough for the Indian DGCA...u need to do your "checkrides" , i.e. PPL/IR&Multi checkrides on Indian registered aircraft....In the US, a checkout is given to familiarize a candidate on a particular aircraft that he/she has not flown, it is given by an instructor, but the checkride can only be done by an FAA authorized examiner...i hope u understand th distinction and it's implications for the Indian DGCA......

[divinesoul]

Hi guys

If ASA are the bad guys how did they tie up with King fisher for training cadets.they also went to china.

Here is the link on their website
http://www.iflyasa.com/internationalvisit.html

[kaulvivek75]

hi , i read your blog on pprune about conversion of faa to nepal. i dont have any hints over it , but would like to know more . i am born and brought up in nepal .. was working on my dgca papers ,just cleared my met and tech spec by april 2007 would start flying most probably in april 2008 and work on my conversions . by todays aviation scenario i kinnda find myself in a difficult situation and am trying to make plans to work back in nepal if things dont work out . please tell me more about yourself .. i am currently staying in delhi and am working over my conversion papers . i have all nepali friends with me here in delhi and are wokring for the same cause . you can write to me on my email add [email protected] write to me anytime .

[indonep]

Guys,I heard Qatar Airways has its First Ever & the only Nepali pilot!
If this is true then hes really lucky making it to tht airline as compared to airlines back in Nepal.

[indonep]

Gentleman, i hope u have got your reply regarding the ASA scam!
school has been shut.KFA denies any contract.

[badalrajgupta]

any one have job for pilots...nepal