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chksatis
12th June 2006, 11:24
hey all just a query about b1 & b2 info. been doing some research on the net and it seems like b1 have a hell of a lot of privledges in terms of avionic work on the line. just wondering since the system has been implemented in europe if it has taken the need for avionic guys to be at line stations. what sort of ratios of b1 to b2 engineers do most big operators in europe like ba,af,lh etc have at there major line stations.
cheers info would be great.
coax
12th June 2006, 12:28
The B1 guys always come running to us B2 people as as they have to read a wiring diagram or de-pin a plug!!.:
Swedish Steve
12th June 2006, 17:51
Outside of our main bases all the engineers are B1. There used to be a couple of line B2 guys, but they worked on line stations that were bases, and are both now B1 qualified as well.
When I get a big avionic problem I go and get help from a B2 engineer from the local airline.
chksatis
14th June 2006, 06:18
just wondering why when easa brought the new system in why did they want to give mechanics so much scope within the avionic catorgeries.
Swedish Steve
14th June 2006, 19:00
I think they are just bringing the licence system into line with reality.
I have worked on Line for a UK airline for nearly 20 years now. I have always held an Avionic extension to my approval. I can change boxes where no test equipement is required and more importantly I can raise ADDs against the MEL for avionic items.
On our station with 7 flights a day, we get help from a B2 engineer about once a year. Usually that is because he can read wiring diagrams much quicker than we can! I can't remember the last time we needed a B2 signature here.
WOTME?
29th June 2006, 20:15
It is about saving money,one guy who can sign for everything.Eventually
B1/B2 licenced will be the norm,but it will take time.
Bolty McBolt
30th June 2006, 05:11
Coax
Is a B1 engineer allowed to repin a plug ?
chksatis
1st July 2006, 02:17
by the sounds of it they can almost do anything they want not really much point to having a b2 license on the line anymore dont know dont live in europe, but it doesn't make sense when all new aircraft are fly by wire which is basically a avionic system driving a servo which ports hydraulic fluid to a actuator rather than a control cable why would they give mechanical so many privledges??.
Fargoo
1st July 2006, 07:24
chksatis, there's a shortage of experienced B2 (Multi X) holders in Europe.
The cheapest solution for the beancounters was to give the B1 holders a quick course and give them blanket licence to sign for virtually anything.
The B2 is rapidly becoming a dead duck just like the seperate Radio licence did.
The will be only one licence in Europe eventually and even that is under threat.
It's the thin edge of a very thin wedge in my opinion
Fargoo :ok:
I am both a b1 and b2 licence holder and I have done the crs courses for both licences on 3 types but at the moment I only use my b2 because there is no extra money from my company to use both until this changes I will stick with the avionics.As long is there is wiring diagrams to be read and wiring to be done there will remain a need for b2 licence holders and you only have to look at the contracts out there at the moment that companys pay more for a b2 holder than a b1.In my opinion we should of stuck with the bcar system.:ok: