GLF5 Sinks into tarmac!

[GULF69]

Anyone seen this or know where it was?I only got e-mailed the photo's, no explanation.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/TIAAN/GLF5/G-5SunkinTarmak018.jpg


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[J32/41]

Those pictures cannot be real, is it a photshop job?

Seems strange on the last picture the fuel hose is attached, are they planning to depart soon??

[GULF69]

Hi, J32/41
Logically, I would imagine the fuel hose would be for de-fueling, no? It would be far easier and safer to maneuver a GV that's empty.

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[J32/41]

Veru true, didn't think of that.

Sorry
:\ :\

[Farmer 1]

Isn't it weird how that wing was bent up like that?

[Roger Copy Charlie]

it's a winglet... it's normal

[GULF69]

LOL BCC!!!!!!!!!

[Farmer 1]

Isn't it weird how that wing was bent up like that?

it's a winglet... it's normal

All right, isn't it weird how that winglet was bent up like that?

[PPRuNeUser0215]

My expert opinion...

It's sunny (proved by photo), very hot (proved by soft tarmac) therefore I know for a fact that the wings have gone soft hence why they are bent.
Now why upward is the question ?

Because when the aircraft due to high temperature (well above ISA which what is used as standard measurement/design) started to melt, it happened so quickly that the A/C dropped (Gravity) but at the same time it got nearer its own shade (cooler) therefore cooled down pretty much instantly, leaving the winglets hardening whilst in motion.

A bit like a fossil

[richiya]

Great so now we have a GV that has not only sank into the tarmac, but on top of that they will have to try and bend the tip back into position!! maybe put it upside down on a hot day and wait for it to melt back into place, it might save some repare costs.....:rolleyes:



ooops , sorry didn´t realise it had already got to the fossil stage, my idea won't work..... it will be very expensive to repair!!

[PPPmember]

Owner of aircraft is Lexair .... was founded in April of 1977 as a manufacturer of high pressure compressors and stainless steel valves for the United States Navy. Mid-year 1985 we acquired all rights to the hydraulic and pneumatic valve lines from Airmatic Allied (a division of Snaptite, Inc). These products are now manufactured and distributed under the Lexair name. In addition to previously existing products and these acquisitions, we have continually expanded our Fluid Power Product offerings as we design and manufacture new or modified items to meet the special requirements of our customers. As a world leader in this market segment, we stand ready to meet any challenge.

In 1994 we introduced our first barfeed product, the Rhinobar®. This heavy-duty hydrodynamic bar feeder for CNC lathes launched Lexair firmly into the Machine Tool Accessory marketplace. That same year, we also became the exclusive North American agent for the “Multifeed”, a “magazine style” short bar loader manufactured by Hydrafeed LTD., a major European barfeed manufacturer. In 1996, our patented Mini-Rhinobar® hydrodynamic bar feeder was designed and released specifically for the CNC swiss-type screw machine market. Mid-year 1996 we acquired the complete collet chuck line from Buck Tool Company (formerly part of the Buck Chuck line). Following this acquisition, we developed many new collet workholding devices for the machine tool industry. In August 2002, we acquired the Production Dynamics® line of collet style chucks which include our popular Full Bore® and Prodyne® models. With the acquisition of these two companies and our continued new product development, Lexair has become a World Leader in the Machine Tool Accessory market.

Our products are distributed by over 100 independent distributors and agents in the United States and Canada, with exports to the United Kingdom, Europe, and Australia.

[Bumz_Rush]

defueling is also conducted using the same coupling as fueling....and de fueling would make some logical sense...
Ground service bus is powered so defueling in progress, is possible....


As to photoshop, it is not possible to examine these pics at a good resolution to see any pixel manipulation. Shadows look OK, and the guy under the wing picture looks real too...In fact just too many pics to suggest manipulation..next picture would show the air bag, or the sinking winglet....But I do like the sales pitch...Bumz

[Selfloading]

If i was them i would just bend the other wingtip up, it would be a lot easier :)

[Fossy]

Several years ago same happened to a Gulfstream in LBG

[Flintstone]

Some sales spiel
Not today thank you, I never buy from cold callers :D

Farmer 1, you're being sarcastic? Winglets are, to use a technical term, the bendy up bits on the wingtips. Both are the same (or have I completly missed the joke here?)

[Dumbledor]

Several years ago same happened to a Gulfstream in LBG
I remember that, they used massive inflatable cushions to try and lift the aircraft from the tarmac and lessen the damage as I remember. That was a hot day too.......
I wasn't there long enough to see how they managed to extricate the undercarriage from the hole in the tarmac though.
D

[SnowPilot]

plane sank in okatie sc home of NJI

[mary_hinge]

Also a Saudi GIV, whilst being out-fitted at the old West Malling site (Huntings ?) went through the floor of the Hangar.

Air Bags used to lift the aircraft and a "roadway" created with large steel sheets to allow the thing to be towed clear.

[HGFC1]

Don't forget BA's 747-400 at Perth WA. There had been really heavy rain and, unbeknownst to all, the soil under the turning circle had been washed out. The unfortunate captain tried to turn his aircraft only to have the tarmac collapse under a wheel. It required heavy lifting gear to extricate it 24 hours or so later. It didn't make the news as all on board were uninjured.

[Mikester540]

I thought it was real...
Well, the leaning part is real and it seems that the gear was fine, but it is completely pressed down.
The image where the wheel was 'in' the pavement has been photoshopped.
Here is my reasoning shown in the picture I edited (to show detail)
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1281/gulfstreamsinkno0mh.jpg
Look, the left landing gear (Where it would be VERY hard to photoshop is fine, showing the gear completely pressed down, but straight and not slanted.)
The right photo shows the gear leaning (look at the angle) and in the pavement. That is the shot that has been faked.
Thanks,
Michael C. Phillips

[Dream Land]

Don't really follow your argument, still looks real to me, who knows?

[Farmer 1]

Farmer 1, you're being sarcastic? Winglets are, to use a technical term, the bendy up bits on the wingtips. Both are the same (or have I completly missed the joke here?)

No; I know; Yes.

[richiya]

Mikester,

I think if you also look close to the other pics you can see the gear is straight in all of them, and the one that looks as if it is leaning is because it is the only one taken from that angle and side os the jet.

Me thinks anyways...

[Mikester540]

yeah, it's odd, some look bent, and the other ones look straight.

[semperfido]

Back in the early 90's we had our g4 sink into tarmac at KMRY while under tow. It happens. Probably not photoshoped.

[G4G5]

It's real and it happened in SSI about 3 weeks ago. The GAC folks called the recovery folks out of KC. Then the folks from BQK came over and replaced the wheels, tires, brakes and gear door.

The aircraft was departing to the west coast and had a bit of fuel on it. The airport authority is going to wind picking up the tab on this one.

The aircraft was only out of service for 3 or 4 days.

[jfill]

Thanks for the details G4G5. There is also a raging controversy on !!!!!!!!!!!!!! about the photos.

Flightaware.com confirms that N222LX flew from KVNY (Van Nuys) to KSSI (Malcolm McKinnon) on April 28, 2006. Returned to KVNY on May 1, 2006.

Do you know anyone at KSSI who can provide more details? Was it being pushed by a tug or a taxi incident? Sink hole or drain cover off?

[G4G5]

Thanks for the details G4G5. There is also a raging controversy on !!!!!!!!!!!!!! about the photos.

Flightaware.com confirms that N222LX flew from KVNY (Van Nuys) to KSSI (Malcolm McKinnon) on April 28, 2006. Returned to KVNY on May 1, 2006.

Do you know anyone at KSSI who can provide more details? Was it being pushed by a tug or a taxi incident? Sink hole or drain cover off?

The aircaft was tugged into it's current location then fuel was added. My guess is that it had around 20,000#'s of fuel on board (half tanks for a G5) at the very most. I am guessing the aircraft weighs around 48,000#'s + the fuel puts it at around 68,000#'s. From what I was told the ramp area that the aircarft fell through was added a few years ago.

The airport authority had not surveyed the area in question because it was added at the last minute. The tarmac was put in place because additional ramp space was need for the G8 summit that occured in 2004. The government required additional ramp space for the dignitary's arrivals and departures (secure area). The airport authority never got a chance to check it properly.

They were trying to go from SSI to the West Coast (LA area)

[FAASAFE]

Owner of aircraft is Lexair .... was founded in April of 1977 as a manufacturer of high pressure compressors and stainless steel valves for the United States Navy. Mid-year 1985 we acquired all rights to the hydraulic and pneumatic valve lines from Airmatic Allied (a division of Snaptite, Inc). These products are now manufactured and distributed under the Lexair name. In addition to previously existing products and these acquisitions, we have continually expanded our Fluid Power Product offerings as we design and manufacture new or modified items to meet the special requirements of our customers. As a world leader in this market segment, we stand ready to meet any challenge.

In 1994 we introduced our first barfeed product, the Rhinobar®. This heavy-duty hydrodynamic bar feeder for CNC lathes launched Lexair firmly into the Machine Tool Accessory marketplace. That same year, we also became the exclusive North American agent for the “Multifeed”, a “magazine style” short bar loader manufactured by Hydrafeed LTD., a major European barfeed manufacturer. In 1996, our patented Mini-Rhinobar® hydrodynamic bar feeder was designed and released specifically for the CNC swiss-type screw machine market. Mid-year 1996 we acquired the complete collet chuck line from Buck Tool Company (formerly part of the Buck Chuck line). Following this acquisition, we developed many new collet workholding devices for the machine tool industry. In August 2002, we acquired the Production Dynamics® line of collet style chucks which include our popular Full Bore® and Prodyne® models. With the acquisition of these two companies and our continued new product development, Lexair has become a World Leader in the Machine Tool Accessory market.

Our products are distributed by over 100 independent distributors and agents in the United States and Canada, with exports to the United Kingdom, Europe, and Australia.


What your story has to do with "collapsing" event?

Bull!!!! in Bull!!!! out!

THIS PICTURE IS REAL, it is very unlikelly fake.
I have spent over 10 years managing construction nof the airfield in numerous Airports, and seen it all.

First of all to all of those who claim that the temperature 50 deg Celsjus soften the tamrac.

What the hell you know about the design and specifications of the TAMRAC?

NULL you all make idiots out of yourselfes!

The surface temperature of many tamracks in some airports exceeds 50 degh. Centigrade (122 Fahrenheit) and frequently reaches as high as 90 celsjus or 200 degree fahrenheit.
The 60 celsjus or 140 degree fahrenheit is very common.

The surfaces of the airports TAMRACKs (runways, taxiways, and aircraft parkways) are designed and built using FEDERAL funds all are to withstand such temperatures and loads in compliance with Federal Aviation Administration Advisory manuals for all public and military airports.

However some private aircraft parkways attached to the airports and not built by the administration might be not in compliance for the loads.

Actualy this aircraft is operated as a charter or belongs (unlikely ownership) to CHARTER organization Trans-Exec Air Service, Inc. of EXEC Jets http://www.transexec.com and is housed at KSMO Santa Monica Municipal Airport US, CASanta Monica Municipal Airport / Santa Monica, CA (KSMO) (http://www.rsvpair.com/findAirport/icao/KSMO.html)Operator:TRANS-EXEC AIR SERVICE INC (http://www.rsvpair.com/viewOperator/487.html) - (818) 904-6900Gulfstream V N222LX
http://www.transexec.com/Image/GV_II/full1.jpg
http://www.transexec.com/Image/GV_II/one.html
The described photo suggest 3 possible conditions,

1. THe Aircraft wheel colapsed in any type of manhole.

2. There was a fuel spill (fuel spill causes the A/C to "spnge") which softened the A/C and the landing gear sink in soft materials on taxiway.
The A/C pavement "sponges" if there is a fuel spill (i.e. Jet A, Jet"X" and JP 4) and needs to be replaced, unable to taake any loads.
http://usapc.army.mil/miscellaneous/2000%20fuel%20users%20guide%20(sep%202000).pdf
3. There is an under tamrack unplanned water runaway (drainage or underwater river) as the result of drainage (and or broken water pipes) which caused to create a small sinkhole. The damage could be also caused by under tamrack leaking fuel lines.

When looking at the picture and shading there is NO substantial evidence that this is a photo trick.

The easiest way to verify is to call TRANS-EXEC AIR SERVICE INC (http://www.rsvpair.com/viewOperator/487.html) - (818) 904-6900 - tyhe operator, who might be willing to confirm and to provide the specific information the this story.

The Aircraft tail number is affixed by FAA and it is easy to track it.

http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2769324/

http://photos.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/photos/photos/3/6/4/0888463.jpg

Where are your brains?
So rather than to speculate and make clowns out of yourself why not to contact the operator with an inquiry?

[PPRuNeUser0215]

Either you are teasing us and being sarcastic or if you aren't I suggest you re read your post before calling everyone a clown.

Is it Tarmac, Tamrac or Tamrack (or Tie Rack ;))?
I did a search for Tamrac and Tamrack but could not find anything. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Your story might well be true but the way it is presented does you a disservice.

It's only a bit of fun for some or simple curiosity for others... Not that serious and most of us will live happily ever after without the need to call the operator ;)

[Algy]

Thank you FAASAFE for that erudite contribution, and welcome to Pprune. An absolute pleasure to have you on board.

I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we will all try harder to meet your lofty standards in future, and try not to be so stupid.

[richiya]

Great attitude FAASAFE!!!!

"I have spent over 10 years managing construction nof the airfield in numerous Airports, and seen it all."

I'm glad I'm not the one who's had to be working with you for the last 10 years......

[buster172]

Four years at university using Photoshop and I love it when people on PPrune start saying things are ‘Photoshopped’

Remember the Harvard’s that flew with the gear just touching the water? Everyone thought they were fake but it’s incredibly hard to manipulate an image like that. There are so many images of it from different angles you have to ask why would some one bother to spend so much time faking them all?

Looks real to me!