Careers worldwide

[nick14]

Hello all fellow ppruners,
Im am hoping to hold fATPL with 220/250 hrs after going to oxford.

Does anybody know the oppertunities of careers abroad with countries like Australia,New Zeland, US, Africa.

What are the restrictions wrt obtaining permits to work and citizenship in order to work for foreign companies?

Also do you know what the aviation companies require?

Nick

[AIRWAY]

Hello Nick,

Some tough question’s you have there, airlines around the world have different requirements your best chance is to do your research via visiting their own websites and pprune search engine (plenty there), another thing regarding working abroad is immigration, that is another hurdle you need to clear, I know in Australia you will need to have PR and work experience and some other criteria, best place to visit is www.immi.gov.au and I am sure it would be more or less the same around the world, another point I would like to make clear is that in Australia the airlines wont look at you with just 200/250 hours, your best bet would be to work your way up from flying instructing, charter work, sightseeing etc…

Good luck, anything else send me a PM.

Regards,
Airway

[redsnail]

Nick 14,
Airway's pretty much on the money with regards Australia.
Unless you're a Qantas cadet you won't get near a jet with 250 hours.
If you're a ****** cadet you might get near a Metro.
If none of the above then your first job after converting your license (isn't too much of a deal) will be either instructing or heading "bush" to do charters or scenics. Note, the competition is incredibly tough.
However, before you can look at that you'll have to get a visa to work in Australia.
Exactly which one would suit is up to your circumstances.

For a turbine job you're looking at 2-3000 hours with ~1,000 on twins.
For a jet job you're looking at 3-5,000 hours with ~1-2,000 hours on turbines.

New Zealand is very similar to Australia wrt to immigration and work. The market is much smaller though and many Kiwis get a start in Australia.

[purple head]

i got offered a job in china, not sure if your interested as you did not mention asia in your initial post. Anyway i am low hours, modular :ok: and will go straight onto jets. However i need to do 5 CAAC exams before starting my type rating. (everything is paid for by the airline along with living costs while doing the exams) As regards permits- i needed to go to the CAAC and give them my paper work and they will contact the CAA and request confirmation. Everything else is being done by the airline.

[haughtney1]

Nick my advice would be to stay in the UK..at least for a bit. There is a lot to be said for getting a good base of experience in surroundings that are familiar, after that the world is your oyster.
Just to add to what Reddy and Airway have said about OZ, its a tough place to get a break, as well as being quite a "protected" environment i.e. if you sound like a pom..them you probably are a pom..so you can bu££er off!..that kind of thing (although I know a few poms currently bush flying) not to mention license coversions and work Visas.
As far as opportunities are concerned, the majority of entry level GA (non airline) jobs are offered to the person who is there..larger operators are different, but for that first job..you probably need to be johnny on the spot.
As said if I was in your shoes..Id be looking at the UK first, probably Africa/Carrib as a back up.

Hope this helps

:)

[Will964]

Australia is a very hard place to get a break in. Most GA jobs go to people who have been trained within the company they fly for. Your first job will probably be either instructor, scenic/bush pilot or both. Bush flying is interesting to say the least and the aircraft in general are OLD! The biggest problem I had with flying over there was the age of the aircraft, commonly flying 1960’s aircraft at max weight into tiny bush strips. It certainly puts hair on your chest! After doing that for a couple of years you may find work flying IFR twins as single pilot. If you do that for another couple of years you can interview for one of the regional operators.

In short, it’s a long road to the airlines in Australia, and I would suggest that if airlines are your ambition, you’d be better off staying in Europe.

[eddk]

dear purplehead,

please check your pm´s!

greetz,
eddk;)

[MD12]

Hi,

AS you already have the job, could you please tell us which airline is that?


Best regards,


MD

[purple head]

errrrrrrrrr thanks to everyone for sending me all these private messages (I think plus +50)........ but i'll try answer them all in this reply. At present i'm waiting for the CAA to send my licence details to CAAC, so i have just flown back to the UK to wait. Told it will take between 1-2 months:( But i'll be on the phone asking them to speed that up!!!!Then its back to China to study for CAAC exams and then start the type rating. For those of you who wanted infomation about how i got the job, basically i was put in touch with a Chinese girl by a Chinese person i know. She runs what i can only describe as a kind of agency, but she works alone. Contact details are [email protected] her english name is Linda. I speak a little Chinese but there is no way I could have got this job with out her help, just getting contact details I found is almost impossible for many Chinese airlines. BUT if you contact her, I must tell you she charges and its not cheap and you need consider you'll need to pay for airfairs to China (CSE was £400 + onward airfair) and hotel rooms etc. But considering she placed me with an airline almost straight after getting my licence and no further training costs and on a nice jet AC i'm pretty pleased. Oh and to begin with the pay is not great. But if still interested drop her a line.
For those asking which airline, Sorry but I'm sure not many newly employed pilots would tell you on this forum.
My experiance <300 hours, including 50 sim. CPL,IR,MCC - modular. Hope that helps, if i did not answer anyones question in this post please private me.

[A320rider]

ok, I see, so I am offering 5000US$ to the one who will offer me a job in china.

qui dit mieux? 5100$, 5200$ for madam, 5500$ for you sir , 6000$, 7000$, 7000$, that 's all, OK, 7000$....

you can now bid on ebay.com if you would like....

[purple head]

i'm not defending what she does, but why shouldn't she make some money.She only charges most of the money after you get an interview/ job.
In my case no extra cost after training such as type rating or selection fees - a-l ryan air. I finished my MCC and 7 weeks later had a job.
If someone asked you give me £1000 and you can get a job flying a jet and the airline will pay the rest of your training?? I'm sure most people reading this would say ok do you take credit card or cheque.

[YYZ]

Some people will go for this sort of thing, could be a con, and could be just what we all need. Either way, why moan, either go for it or don't, we all know of your continuing hardships A320rider, do you think nobody else has problems?

You are indeed a troll; you change you pseudonym almost monthly in order to elicit a response form people. When/if you get a job, would you then become positive or continue to be negative, I believe the latter as this seems to be in your very nature!

I am a great believer in giving everyone a chance to prove themselves, & I try not to judge people on first impressions, unlike you, I do not think I am owed a job, but instead I am out there trying to find one, please do everyone a favour and get yourself out there, if only to give PRuNe land a break from your cr@p.

I do believe in freedom of speech, as long as it agrees with me
:E

[A320rider]

simply because a job opening should be based on qualification, experience, and not on how much money you have.

soon chinese companies will charge you a fortune to fly their planes,"fly in china, 250h on Boeing, for 20'000euro,have real airline experience then bye bye...."

so who is the troll now?

[purple head]

A320 maybe you have misunderstood. She is not part of a Chinese airline, she works for herself. Where you surprised she charges you money? Did you think a total stranger would help you get a job just because you e-mail her and she would do that out of the goodness of her heart???
So the Chinese airlines don't charge you for getting a job, your paying for her services, ie. Job-hunting on your behalf in a foreign country that you probably can't do because you don't speak the language.
And I’m pretty sure they don't take every pilot she sends them a CV of. So they do take the best pilots. For you personal interest yes I’m a pretty good low hour pilot. 3 sponsorships from air league, GAPAN & RAF that help pay for my modular training. Degree in Aeronautical engineering and first time passes in everything. Flying training at Oxford (although not told them I’ve got a job so they can't use me in their employment stats )
I just got my job with a little help along the way, not because I was prepared to "buy" my job, but because I was prepared to buy a service from her that I couldn't do myself.

Also i don't care if i'm a troll (what ever you mean by that) as long as i'm a troll in a cockpit.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

HAHAHAHA this is funny. It sounds like a very BAD SCAAAAAM to me.

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

I want to apologize for my post earlier. I have been private messaging purple head and it seems like he is telling the truth.

Well I am going to send her an email and see what happends.


This thread has been viewed 1400 times. Her email account must be full of wannabes :}

[747 Downwind]

Well done on the job purple head. China is experiencing huge growth and there is potential for future pilot recruitment no doubt.. there is money there too, many carriers picking up A320 family and B737 NG aircraft, shame the money isn't represented in the wages:p

A320 Rider is just playing games he (.. she???) always does this, their speciality subject is SSTR and 'evil, greedy' airlines. I would ignore the banter. Why is it so many people get sponsored by RAF and then don't fly for them.. seems such a waste:hmm:

[ACP]

I think the fees that she asks for the job hunting are very cheap, it is a great opportunity. I paid for my A320 type rating and it's impossible to find a job if you do not have hours on type (except if you have big contacts). I am presently on a list (since a year) for a 300 hours line training on the A320 . There are now 72 guys in my situation (with a JAR license) waiting for the next starting date (in Asia and Europe)...
good luck