logan air

[b737-4]

Hey guys and gals

Has anyone had an interview with Logan Air recently...any advice would be usefull..might have one coming up fingers crossed!!

Many thanks

B737-4

[Craggenmore]

might have one coming up fingers crossed!! You mean you filled the online application form?

Doubtful unless you have a Scottish postcode because you're unlikely to be able to relocate on their FO salary. (You mention Cornwall on your profile)

Have you heard anything?

[Mr R Sole]

There is hardly anyone left in Scotland because they are all getting jobs quickly. Heard of a few from way darn sowf who have got jobs with Logie Bear recently.

Never heard so many English accents with Logan callsigns than at the moment!

[Meeb]

There always seems to be a load of bollox talked about Logie not taking on southerners, when I worked for them it was chock full of all nationalities, with only a few Scots, mind you, might have had something to do with the tw@t of a FOD then... :rolleyes:

And b737, try to get the name right... it is Loganair

[CosmosSchwartz]

As meeb says, plenty of nationalities at Loganair, the "scots only" tripe that's rolled out in response to this question every time is nonsense.

Craggenmore, think you could relocate on a citi-express salary if they offered you a job? Loganair pay more, and it's cheaper to live in Scotland. Take the blinkers off and you just might get out of that hold pool.

[Fokkerdriver]

Now I simply have to ask...what does LoganAir pay???

Flew for them recently...wetlease. Brilliant - flying-wise at least. Most fun I have had in a long time.

[Fokkerdriver]

......just found the answer on ppjn!!

[silverknapper]

I'm not sure I know what you mean about relocating craggenmore. A Logan Fo earns £21k plus flight pay, averaging £24.5k a year. I don't know many people who would struggle to move somewhere for that.

[Jinkster]

I'd rather move north than south.....anyday! :D

[Craggenmore]

Oh bugg*r :p

silverknapper I thought it was considerably less that £24k. More round £18k. In which case that eases my concern about relocation - thank you.

CosmosSchwartz Not sure what CitiExpress exactly pay right now, but I get your point. Additionally, with regard to having blinkers on, its actually up to the Airline to call me with a start date; unfortunately I have no say in the matter. However remember; I did my bit to get into it in the first place and my blinkers were most certainly off then ;)

Cheers

Craggs

[Mr R Sole]

Loganair is without doubt one of the best starts you could have to your flying career. Fantastic flying that is lots of fun and staff are generally looked after quite well compared to other turboprop operators. Take into account the pension, BA staff travel, crew food and a stable roster and you will see that you could do a lot worse!

[silverknapper]

Well why go shooting your mouth off without possession of the facts? I really hope it is not some attempt at self preservation?
Incidentally I hear Logan every day and these days Scots accents are in the minority. English females seem to be the way ahead!!!!

[Craggenmore]

Well why go shooting your mouth off without possession of the facts?
I was basing this on facts from a Channex/Jet2 FO who relocatd to Scotland last year. The point being that he has CPL/IR training costs to repay as well as the 737 rating to repay; (Channex/Jet2 require you to pay for the rating; perhaps Logan don't).

Now that he has been on-line for 8 months and the 'Wow' factor has receeded somewhat into regular line flying, its been realised that there is some, but little, money left over for lifestyle, once rent has also been paid. He's not starving but I'm told it is tight.

Maybe some would class him as a big spender, I personally don't, but Channex/Jet2 pay more than Logan for a new starter FO. If its tough on £30k, then its surely got to be tougher on £24k? That is the fact that I am basing my original 'relocation' comment on. (p.s. I know its tough for all job seekers, but Im not getting at that as a whole within this thread.)

What I am not doing is disputing is that its a superb place to get your flying break with wonderful flying, good hands on a/c and beautiful scenery. One of my 'in-laws' spent 6 years in Aberdeen on BA's Budgies back in the 70's, flying to all sorts of glorious highland destinations including beaches! This still happens. As you can imagine, I've asked and been told all about it.

And being a Southener who is a very keen golfer, mountain-biker and fly-fisher, I'd be up there like a shot if I was ever forunate enough to be offered a job with them.

Cheers :)

Craggs

[b737-4]

hey guys

Thanks for the replies. I found out yesterday that I have an interview with them next week. Busy studying for that, but its quite nice to hear that its an exciting and rewarding place to fly.

That beach landing looks awsome seen some photos on the net!

Keep your fingers crossed for me

B737-4:ok:

[Mr R Sole]

The beach landing is at Barra but that is done on the Twin Otter and I have heard that is getting phased out. Sumburgh is lots of fun. Landing on 33 as you dodge the hill on short final or circling from 09 onto 15 is fun as you have to dodge the cliff!

[GusHoneybun]

Sumburgh is not nearly as entertaining now the ATP has gone. :{

[bigjarv]

Just tried to fill out the online application. On the second page it says see guidelines by a few of the questions but I didn't find any. Made some of the answers a little tricky. Am I just being stupid or can someone shed a little light?!?!

[Freebird17]

I couldn't find any of the promised guidelines either

[Firestorm]

Having lived in Scotland for a while (and having moved South), Scotland isn't that cheap, especially on a Loganair FOs salary. The weather's better here and the people are nicer as well.

[razzele]

It is amazing how rude loganair have been to me !

I think they have been rude any way !

I have applied to them twice in 6 months, and not even so much as an acknowledgement!!

do they think that is fair ?




:sad:

[smith]

It is either a commercial decision or else a "shooting themselves in the foot" decison using oxford grads at Loganair.

If I may explain, Loganair are a feeder airline for other airlines just like coca-cola championship teams provide players for the premiership (or rather nowadays premiership teams get most of their players from abroad, just like the airlines get their pilots, but I digress), therefore Loganair pay relatively low salaries to their pilots as they know they are a steppingstone for pilots.

If they employ oxford grads they know they will move on as an oxford grad ideally wants to spend £60k and fly a jet, not a turbo-prop. Thus do they do this deliberately knowing that they will not stay long and get increments on their salary and various benefits related to length of service (the commercial decision)? Or do they employ Oxford grads expecting them to be career pilots and pay for their TRT only for them to jump ship when a jet job comes along (the shooting yourself in the foot decision)? Either way I don't know why Loganair use Oxford grads as I, after spending £60+k would obviously want a jet job, however would use Logan as a stepping stone to my objective if nothing came up straight away.

[Meeb]

Having lived in Scotland for a while (and having moved South), Scotland isn't that cheap, especially on a Loganair FOs salary. The weather's better here and the people are nicer as well.

Yes, most southerners do not realise the weather in Scotland can be nice, but it has to be said it does not take much for the people to be nicer than the 'selfish south'.... :O

[Mr R Sole]

smith:

If they employ oxford grads they know they will move on as an oxford grad ideally wants to spend £60k and fly a jet, not a turbo-prop.
Either way I don't know why Loganair use Oxford grads as I, after spending £60+k would obviously want a jet job, however would use Logan as a stepping stone to my objective if nothing came up straight away.


A bit naive if you don't mind me saying so... I went to Oxford and I didn't feel that I deserved nor necessarily wanted to jet job to start. Now that I am on jets, I am grateful for starting my career on turboprops! Loganair is a very good start so if I were you I would consider them seriously as a first move! I have never worked for Logan by the way!

Where you start your career is irrelevant but where you end up at the end is the most important thing to consider. Loganair is a good start with good terms and conditions for a turboprop operator where you have a chance to still do some proper flying and enjoy yourself before you get onto a Jet where the flying will get boring in comparison! Flying a jet is easy compared to a prop and especially in comparison to the island flying that Loganair does. It provides a good grounding for you to start your career.


The OAT graduate is attractive to Loganair for a few reasons:

o Full training history is easily obtained from Oxford so hopefully easier to weed out any weak operators. Especially those whose visual flying skills might not be up to scratch since the flying with Loganair can be demanding.

o They are 'guaranteed' F/Os for at least a couple of years since they won't be command hungry for a while. That is providing they stay for their bond but unless you have a surplus supply of cash then leaving is probably not on the top of your list until the bond has expired!

[silverknapper]

Remember logan don't require you to pay a TR. You sign the papers so that if you leave you are saddled with it. Stay 2 years and you don't pay a bean. Given this I fail to understand why people are paying for jet ratings. Get a couple of years TP time and take your pick of jet jobs. You'll have had a great time on TP's, your hand flying will be excellent and you can take your pick of jet jobs......... Think about it

[Mr R Sole]

You still have to provide the money up front with Logan and you get it paid back in monthly instalments. A practise I don't agree with but I am only a man for the traditional bonding scheme that we don't see very much nowadays!

[smith]

What use is a SAAB TR anyway unless you are employed with Logan. All I am saying is, on a busines/staff turnover point of view I would have thought that a company like Logan would have employed a more senior age group, with no need to relocate ie living in Scotland. This type of employee, through anecdotal evidence only, would be more likely to stay with Logan longer thus providing the airline with continuity in staff and actually, hiring and firing costs money to the HR department. Any big company I have worked for in the past have always done everything they can to keep you, such as profit sharing, share schemes, extra holidays for length of service etc as they know that key staff resignations are disruptive to their business.

The oxford pup is more likely to jump ship imho and head south for the lure of a shiny new than the more mature, home based, modular guy (purely anecdotal evidence again), but maybe this is what Logan prefer, a constant turnover of pilots. I don't know if this is the case but as I say it is imho.

[silverknapper]

Traditional bonds are great. Unfortunately small companies like Logan kept getting their fingers burned by - you guessed - the above mentioned young low hours guys who move up to Scotland one day and the next day are sending CV's to jet operators trying to get back south now they have a few hours on a TP. They then do the dishonourable thing and skip their bond. Which would cost the airline a fortune to chase. This is what has ruined it for people coming through now. To be fair to Logan they could get away with not paying you back the TR cost at all these days.
Smith your last post is very valid and is a question which is asked a lot up here. No-one likes staff turnover and it is the real bain of the TP airlines life. Perhaps a longer term outlook would serve them better. If you look at all the Logan 'old timers' they are all locals who love the stability and security of the job they are in. Not to mention batting round Scotland VFR on cracking days!!!!

[Mr R Sole]

Airlines like Loganair are accustomed to the fact that there will be a high turnover of pilots, especially when the job market is good like it is at the moment. The middle aged Scot who lives near a Logan base would be the ideal candidate, however the job market is very buoyant in Scotland as a whole and the numbers of ideal candidates for Loganair are dwindling fast... hence the apparent increase in demand for low hours integrated candidates. They need crews to fill their aircraft and there are not many potential long term employees out there. Instructors are in some cases getting snapped up very quickly by a variety of airlines in Scotland. If they get a couple of years out of you then I am sure Loganair would be satisfied with that!

To answer smith's question... A Saab TR is useful since it gives you sound flying experience in a modern prop enabling you to broaden your horizons for that next move!

[Meeb]

Any big company I have worked for in the past have always done everything they can to keep you, such as profit sharing, share schemes, extra holidays for length of service etc as they know that key staff resignations are disruptive to their business.

smith old boy, you are making the typical 'newbee' mistake... airlines are not like other big companies out there... generally they do not give a rats chuff about their employees.... :rolleyes:

However, it has to be said Yogi bods do have it better than in some of the 'dictatorship' airlines out there, although Scott probably thinks he still runs a dictatorship... :p

The middle aged Scot who lives near a Logan base would be the ideal candidate, however the job market is very buoyant in Scotland as a whole and the numbers of ideal candidates for Loganair are dwindling fast...

I would consider going back, but they would have to come up with a fairly good package to entice me, are they looking for a fleet manager or TRE....? hehe... ;)

[silverknapper]

Rumour is a certain management pilot is leaving Meeb, your wish may well come true!

[Meeb]

So who might that be? I am a little out of touch with who are the movers and shakers in there these days, but I might be able to work it out from initials.... ;)

[Mr R Sole]

JM

[Firestorm]

Meeb: the 'here' that I referred to is the 'selfish South' that you referred to, and it is precisely because of attitude like that from alot of the natives (not all, but alot) that I'm glad I made the move.

[Meeb]

Firestorm, sorry to hear that, but as you no doubt know there are many 'Mexicans' working for Yogi who would not live anywhere else as they love it here. Indeed, in most airlines who have bases in Scotland the majority of their crew (Flight deck) are from south of the border, so I think 'attitude' is a 2 way street! :p

On the other topic, JM was a pilots rep at one point if I remember right, so he crossed the floor then eh...? oh dear... :mad:

[uncle dickie]

It matters not one jot which side of any border you happen to reside.

Apart from the usual requirements of a UK/JAR licence, right of abode in the UK, no criminal record etc etc, a mature professional approach will go a long way to persuade Loganair to employ you.

With a number of guys looking to move on in the near future, recruitment will be a gentle trickle for sometime.

The route experience you will acquire flying the Saab is ideal training as part of your initial apprenticeship.

With 1000+ hours TP, you are ideally place for the move onto jets.

[Strepsils]

Not being very constructive are we Firestorm? And not telling the whole story either:hmm: