indian atpl

[lobsterbisque]

does anyone know what you need to do to convert a Jaa fatpl to an Indian ALTP / CPL...and what's: FRTO, RTR
(I took this from spicejet's website)

[3 Holer]

Maybe something HERE (http://www.dgca.nic.in/) .

[Left Wing]

If you are looking at xpat Capt job, no need to convert. No FO jobs for xpats. If you are Indian national you need to convert your JAA CPL to Indian CPL not ATPL.

[9Ws]

Aren't they now offering "over-the-table" ATPLs for Indian citizens who fly with airlines on a CPL... and hold overseas ATPLs?

Recently heard that was to happen due to the shortage of Indian ATPL holders. Only rider was that they should be employed with an airline already.

[Hairy Chest]

9W, do you mean that an FAA ATPL is now given over the table DGCA ATPL? Or do you have to be employed with an airline to do that.

[A330AV8R]

FRTO = Flight Radio Telephone Operator's Licence

RTR = Radio Telephony Permit

The former is issued on the basis of your medical by the DGCA and is valid for the same period as your CPL or ATP and the latter is issued by the Ministry Of communications Wirless Planning and Co ordiantion wing which basically permits you to operate a wirless radio telephone stn. on board aircraft ..... the Sailor boys get the same permit as well , this is what you will require in addition to your ATP and FRTO and valid medical to fly in India .

Hope this helps

Happy landings !

Flex thirty ....... HELL TOGA SRS !!!
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[9Ws]

Not entirely sure mate. Someone mentioned this to me only recently. And yes, he did say that one of the clauses to avail of this "scheme" is that the pilot must be an airline pilot... an Indian pilot employed by an airline in India.

I'm guessing that would mean the application for the licence upgrade CPL--->ATPL would have to be sent to the DGCA by the airline. Not really sure tho.

Besides, he mentioned that this "scheme" is being discussed by the DGCA and Ministry. This would amount to a big change in the rules, and is not sure if it is approved as yet.

Make more enquiries and in case you hear more about it, post it here for others to know.

Good luck! :ok:

[Left Wing]

So whats the new story about DGCA making it "easier" to convert to Indian CPL from Intl CPL?

Dont see any thing on the DGCA web site, or is it just lower bribes need to payed.

[DesiPilot]

Oh Left Wing,

I was lucky I didn't bribe anyone just needed two pairs of shoes for all the running around in the DGCA's office.

Talk about red tape and corruption! They won't issue my Multi Engine rating for my Indian CPL even when I held FAA ATPL (ME), JAA CPL with MEP rating and JAA CRE ratings. The clerks answer was if you hold all those ratings why do you need ME on your Indian CPL (hinting me towards some bribe). Oh well, I am proud owner of an ME rating now ... hehehe

To answer your question lobster, since you hold the fATPL you do not meet the flight requirements for the issue of Indian ATPL anyway. The DGCA (India) requires that you have 1000 hours of cross country time for the issue of ATPL with cross country being greater than 100 nm.

This is from DGCA's website http://www.dgca.nic.in/schedules/section-m.pdf

(e) Experience— He shall produce evidence of having satisfactorily completed as
a Pilot of an aeroplane not less than one thousand five hundred hours of flight
time of which not less than one hundred fifty hours flight time shall be in the
preceding twelve months and his total flying experience shall include —

(i) not less than five hundred hours of flight time as Pilot-in-Command or
as Co-Pilot performing, under the supervision of a pilot who fulfills the
flying experience requirements of a check pilot, the duties and functions of
a pilot-in-command provided that at least two hundred hours out of these
shall be cross-country flight time, including not less than fifty hours of
flight time by night.
Note— Where an aeroplane is required to be operated with a co-pilot in
accordance with the provisions of the Flight Manual of the aeroplane, not
more than fifty percent of the co-pilot flight time shall be credited towards
the total flight time required for the issue of the licence, but not more than
fifty percent of the co-pilot flight time under supervision shall be credited
towards pilot-in-command flight experience required for issue of the
licence, and full credit for such flight time shall be given towards total
flight time required for issue of the licence.

(ii) not less than one thousand hours of total cross-country flight time;

(iii) not less than one hundred hours of flight time by night;

(iv) not less than one hundred hours of instrument time under actual or
simulated instrument conditions of which not less than fifty hours shall be
in actual flight;

(v) not less than ten hours of flight time completed within a period of six
months immediately preceding the date of application for the licence.