Let me in!!! (please)

[zedex7rrrrrrr]

As a child, I grew up in Malaysia. As a teenager, I lived in Indonesia. My heart remained in the South East when I returned to the UK for university... and now I want to collect it!

I am extremely keen to work for Air Asia and would really appreciate any informed opinions on the likelihood of being offered a position in the right hand seat as a fresh-out-of-training, non-type rated, 350 hour pilot..

I recently graduated with a JAA frozen ATPL from one of the best schools in Europe. I achieved good results in ground school and flying and, fortunately, I am able to borrow money to fund the cost of a type rating. I am 27 years old.

I speak Bahasa Indonesia fluently and will soon be learning the differences between Indonesian and Malay. I know this is not strictly necessary to work there as a pilot but I feel it is a strong sign of respect to learn your host's language. Will this earn me some extra brownie points? :O

Does anybody know where the newly recruited Air Asia pilots complete their 737 type rating? How big a gamble would it be for me to invest in a type rating BEFORE any offer of employment? The thing is: without a type rating and not being a Malaysian citizen, would they be interested? Would it make much of a difference to approach them with the type rating under my belt?

When I decided to become a pilot, I told myself that for at least the next 10 years, I will be a very poor man! So, the pay is not such a drawback for me, I simply want to fly and to live in Malaysia.

Any opinions gratefully received! :ok:

[A340Jock]

Sadly I cannot help you with your enquiry but I do want to commend you for your positive attitude. Keep it up my friend and you will achieve all your goals.:ok:

[Rule35]

zedex,

As far as i know there are expats working at AA and also i understand that they do type ratings too.There are also some expats with 200 hours ++ doing the conversion training. You probably have to sign a bond with them and before their recent pay rise FOs take about rm9k(not sure of the figures now though)
Either way it sounds like it will suit you fine cos you will be flying and in Malaysia...write to them...

cheers

[zedex7rrrrrrr]

Thanks guys, for the support. The CV is on it's way, hopefully I'll get a good response!

[longlatif]

zedex7rrrrrrr sorry to give you the bad news but AA are not hiring ANY FO's until MAY next year...

Blame the expats BUYING time and jobs at AA!

A320 pushed back until April next year? Anyone heard anything? :ooh:

[speedtwoten]

:) zedex7rrrrrrr, what's your nationality?? if you are Indon why don't you try back to Indonesia, you may get your command faster than in AA, but don't try Garuda as your future can not be predicted in that company, you have a good future as you holding the frozen ATPL and can becomming Captain in company like Adam Skyconnection, Batavia Air, Lion Air, etc all you have to only sign a bond for 5 yrs because they give you type rating on B737-3/4/500, so give a try:ok:

[zedex7rrrrrrr]

I am actually British. I had the option of Indonesian citizenship after years of living there but we decided not to take it. My father is still living in Jakarta, nearly 17 years now, and he has citizenship but I am not sure if this could benefit me.

I will certainly write to the airlines that you have suggested. First of all, it's homework time! I'll need to find the name of the Human Resource people / Chief Pilot, unless... would anyone be kind enough to save me the trouble?;)

[bck2basic]

zedex7rrrrrrr things in AA can be quite good for an expat like yourself currently Parc Aviation has a deal to supply pilots to airlines in the region AA being one of their main clients. You pay for your own rating with them & then they have a deal whereby AA & other airlines in the region could employ you attached below is their contact

"B737-3/4/500 Type Rating Training Courses
100% of successful type-rated students now employed with airlines For details of next assessment dates for upcoming courses contact Georgina Keogh
tel: 353-1-8161754 or email [email protected]"

Pls contact them for more details.

I for one am a local who had sent 4 applications since Oct 2004 and yet to receive a reply from AA.
Would appeal to the management of AA to atleast have the basic decency & be forthright in informing us as to our chances.

Tony sould be commended on his hindsight to bringing the budget airline module to the region.He is a very rich man today for that & we satute him for his good business ucumen.
But in the process of making money pls don't shut out the locals as there is room for everyone locals & expats alike.

zedex7rrrrrrr wishing you the very best on your future endevours & perhaps we would meet in Malaysia someday.

[Little Miss]

Thats not necessary true, alot of us didn t BUY our jobs nor the time.

Don t be so harsh.

I would give PARC a go as they, from what I ve heard, (correct me if I wrong) still have a good standing with AA and have positioned many pilots within the airline.

Hope this helps.

Good Luck

[bck2basic]

You are right AA did give a break to many locals with the relevant Lisences & were unemployed.It has opened up the industry & plenty of local cadets are indeed given an oppertunity to persue thier aspirations of becoming an Airline pilot.

But since Sept 2004 there hasn't been any intake for locals with the relevant qualifications atleast as FO's(not cadets).

The reason as one understands were due to the fact that there was a steady inflow of expats who were willing to make deals with companies like PARC aviation who AA could could gainfully employ,coupled with the fact of the arrival of the A320's.The cost issues are such that it saves AA to rate locals on the B737-300 & then at a later date on the A320.

I am not trying to put down AA in any way just stating facts as they are, as I am one of those affected with this freeze in intake by AA. I do hope that AA does consider the fact that as locals we can't buy a rating & get employed in Ireland or UK can we??

Cheers.........

[longlatif]

bck2basic well said!

Give locals a go...Daddy can't buy me a type rating! :yuk:

[bck2basic]

AA was my first choice employer but with their unprofessional atitude I have decided to skip them altogether.It won't make a difference to AA as there would be plenty more like me that would harbor the ambition of flying for them.I do hope that in future they do place the intrest of locals as much as the monetary aspects (savings) as locals are in it for the long run.
Bye the way a thought just occured to me why can't DCA step in to put some checks in place to protect this sort of unfair practices ???

Have tried in vain with Transmile as they require a minimum of 500hrs.I have also applied to MAS & awaiting a reply soon. I would be soon applying to SIA which was my last option but now I guess my only sensible option left, not that I am sure I will make the cut but a try won't harm.

With the oil prices hovering high there could be a possible downturn in the Aviation growth chapter in the region.Odds are staked heavely for a low time pilot but will push on hard with the hope that it will pay off one day & hopefully soon.If not Aviation is not the end of the world Life goes on.

All the best & happy landings!!!!!

Cheers.....

[Foreign Worker]

"When I decided to become a pilot, I told myself that for at least the next 10 years, I will be a very poor man! So, the pay is not such a drawback for me, I simply want to fly and to live in Malaysia."

It's people with an attitude like your's (willing to act like a charity), who are stuffing the industry - not only for others, but for yourself.

But I'm certain your wish will be granted, and you will be a "very poor man".
Not just for the next 10 years, though, but for the rest of your life, which might seem a long way off now, but will come around sooner than you think.
Ever thought what you'll do, if you got out medically between now and the next 10 years, with no money, and an enormous debt to service.

[Little Miss]

Why do some people assume that if you have a type rating that Daddy bought it?

Some people realise that to get a foot on the ladder they need a type rating and work hard for little money, some of us could have stayed at home but would probably be earing the same amount of money to work in an office because they are not "qualified" to do anything else.

Each to their own.

Horses for courses.

Good luck to everyone.

[longlatif]

I guess guys with 300 hours total time have had it hard in aviation...

Type rating should help that?

[zedex7rrrrrrr]

I suspect you are working as an airline pilot and have been for a while. It's easy for you to say that low-houred people such as myself are stuffing the airline industry but unless you're in the position that I am in now, in THIS current time of airline recruitment, you should not pass comment.

More and more airlines want to relieve themselves of training costs and sponsorships are pretty much extinct. What should I do? Demand the whole world stop and listen to me? Throw a tantrum? Sorry pal, I'm not that kind of guy. My attitude is not poor, it's realistic.

As for ill-health forcing me out of a job with "10 years" of debt... well, I'd claim on my insurance policy. If I can manage to get this far in the game already, do you not think that maybe, just maybe, I am capable of organising my financial situation too?

In my first post, I stated that any opinions would be gratefully received. Perhaps I should have stated that any 'informed opinions' would be gratefully received. Thanks anyway.

[Lithgow]

See this post for debate about paying for your own rating:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=130012&perpage=15&highlight=rating&pagenumber=1

Then you'll understand the sharp divide about pro-typing and anti-typing.

Ignore the insecure little fellas who are threatened by how you want to spend YOUR OWN money.

[Fair.Pilot]

In AA is the who you know game!
Try to get close to some "big shots", and you'll be recruited in no time!
Imagine their 1st batch cadets, 90% are their own pilots' sons or daughters. Also not to forget the sons of many DCA's officials.

Malaysia : Forever 1st Class Infrastructure with 3rd World
Mentality!

[Foreign Worker]

ZDX7

ALL of us started as "low-houred people", without the need to prostitute ourselves, or to try to make ourselves "more available" by offering to fly for less than the next pilot.

But you seem to know where you are headed - "I will be a very poor man!"
So go for it, for all you are (not) worth.
You apparently believe that you are LESS of a pilot than others with whom you are competing, if you need to prostitute yourself at a lower market value.
In which case, the airline that "employs" you, will get ALL that they deserve............a higher insurance premium being the first item on the list, due to decreased sensibility.

As for your "insurance policy" - I doubt that you would be able to afford one that would carry you more than 6 months, with debts hanging over your head for your basic training, your instrument rating, conversion to foreign licence(s) and endorsement rating costs. Let alone day to day expenses.

"In my first post, I stated that any opinions would be gratefully received. Perhaps I should have stated that any 'informed opinions' would be gratefully received."
It's one thing to try to realise a dream - it's another to understand that you can't LIVE in one, simply because the hounds you owe money to, won't let you.

[bck2basic]

After having poured out a fortune on your basic lisence to top it up with a type rating to get employed is beyond the means of many.

If one has deep pockets to fall back on it sounds great but what if one doesn't? Remain at the mercy of the market forces & the management who hold the future of many in their hands with their decissions.

One has to look back & ponder on one's own rise & how they are privilaged to be where they are today cause someone indeed gave these guys a break or I wonder if they had to buy a rating ???

It is not what you know but who you know that seems to be the mantra of the day.How sad but so true.

[aka320]

Fair.Pilot,
I guess you really not a Fair one.i am from batch 1 and i dont have any connection with some 'big shot' either that i a son of some captain,and i can tell you that only 2 out of 16 in my batch,father is a pilot.

so it prove that your statement are wrong.

Regards,

[Gerhardt]

FW, take a deep breath and relax. He seems to be a motivated kid anxious to continue a career and just wants some insight and perhaps a few people to visit with. With his attitude he'll go far and it would be quite gentlemanly of you to slap him on the back and wish him well with his pursuits.

[babyboeing400]

same as MH cadets..some batches are really up for suspicion..though it could be mere coincidence that more than half of the cadets' fathers are pilots with the company..:p

[Brianigham]

zed.:

sorry cant help with details on who to contact.
but i really dig your drive!

If I was the AA boss. I would be here at pprune and be sending you a pm and an invitation to join as soon as you are type rated.

all the best.

Yea dont wory too much about nay sayers. You will do great. And I do understand what you meant about being broke for the first few years. Its like that at any flying job.

[zedex7rrrrrrr]

Thanks very much, it's always good to get some support! I'll make this happen, somehow, someday.

I may even bump into you out there one day. Not literally of course... an incident like that would just be another string in the bow of the nay sayers!

Cheers :ok: