Hawainan Aviation 767 Jobs

[Pin Head]

Seen the link on pprune for these posts. Anyone know any more. Salary, rosters (touring?), contracts, etc?

It sounds good otherwise.

[Sheep Guts]

I gave them(Hawaii Aviation) a call about other positions. The thing that turned me off was the 5 months of conversion exams and checkride etc. No kidding. Apparently they pay you during this but quite honestly, its a little over the top. Especially when a starbucks long black coffe will cost arouns 14 bucks in Tokyo, Im told.

Sheep

[NZLeardriver]

$4 to $5 tops for a Starbucks coffee.

[Farknel]

Guys & Gals (... 'guts in particular)

Absolute bollocks with respect to cost of a Cuppa in Tokyo (eg at Startbucks etc).

In fact, if you don't mind filtered black coffee, go to Mr Donuts and it's a bottomless cup - If my memory serves me correct, the first one costs about 210 yen and then free top ups from then on.

My personal favourite is Doutour Coffee Shops where there is a wide selection of pastries, cakes, donuts etc plus Espresso Coffee. Well worth a visit if your ever in Japan.

Providing you are happy to eat local food (why you would not I can't fathom) the cost of eating out is not too bad. It is certainly affordable given the salaries and allownaces paid.

As for the training - just go with the flow. Your salary will be paid on time and providing you do what you are told, turn up on time and wear your uniform, everybody will be happy.

Cheers,

Fark!

[6feetunder]

Hmmm...

I just started a job in Japan with NCA through Parc. Great bunch by the way. We are in the same hotel and some classes with the Air Japan guys from HACS and Parc. Everyone seems incredibly happy to be there and Hawaii seems to treat their contractors very well.

The 5 months isn't that tough, there are some breaks for trips home and my family gets a visit at their expense. Allowances are provided to pay for those Starbuck's coffees, only about 4 or 5 US$ by the way. The local food is great and there a lot of choices for other food as well.

[Sheep Guts]

Well sorry guys, you have proved me wrong with the Coffee. I dont have the requirements. Is it true you need 1000 hrs Dash8 or similiar to get a look in on the Dash 8 jobs. Whats the requirements for the Jet?
What does the 5 months of training cover?


Sheep

P.S. I have around 3000 turbine all King Air and Twotter would I have a look in on the Dash stuff?

[Stereolab]

6feetunder,

Just curious, what were your times when you interviewed? I've been trying to get on with a contractor in Japan....

[Kaptin M]

For f#@ks sake Sheepie!!! Why is it that some of you guys keep asking HERE whether or not you'd get a look in at these jobs.
The people to ask are the contracting agencies.

(From what one of the PARC contract managers said to me some time back, you probably would have a chance, Sheep Guts - but there's only one way you'll EVER know for sure, isn't there?!!)

The 5 months covers all the theory and the exams you are required to do for the issue of a Japanese ATPL - it's a full (stand alone) JCAB licence and not a validation of an existing licence, as is the case in other Asian countries.
It also includes your sim training and JCAB sim check.
Additionally you will have to do the ground school (again) for the aircraft - even if you are already type rated.

After the 5-7 months ground training, you will then do your line training followed by JCAB check(s). In the case of our course, we had THREE JCAB ctl's - by 3 different examiners - before we received final line clearance.
Subsequent courses were cut back to TWO, and later on to ONE.

All in all, you are looking at almost 12 months from initial joining to final checkout.

Semi-permanent acceptability doesn't occur until after about 3 years. I'm in my 6th year here now, but even the newest Japanese Captain is regarded as "superior" to we gaijin.
(Senior management pilots have TOTAL times of 6-9,000 hours).

[moon_towers]

Kaptin M,

Just curious any idea the basic net income they offer?

Thanking you in advanced.

m_t:ok:

[Kaptin M]

You're asking the wrong person, moon_t - perhaps one of the drivers working for them can help you out.
Otherwise, contact the contractors.

[moon_towers]

Kpt M

Thanks anyway.

M_t

[6feetunder]

Stereo, I have 11,000 total with a little over 6,000 on widebodies.

[navtrack]

Dear 6feetunder,

Could you give more information about the ground course and exams for the Japanese License ? What are the subject ? How many ? How difficult is it ? Is there any support available on the Jappanese market ? Can I pass the exams without attempting the ground course ?

Any phone number of the Civil Aviation Administration to have some more information about it, would be appreciated !

[Holding Short]

Everyone seems incredibly happy to be there and Hawaii seems to treat their contractors very well.

I have seen Parc´s commuting contract for the 767 FO position with Air Japan. Any info on which company provides better contractual terms for the above position?

HS