Hawker or CE500 rating?

[pilotbear]

I expect this question is asked of you all the time and I apologise if that is the case but:
I am going to spend my hard earned cash on a type rating to try and move up the aviation ladder;)

I need to make the decision between the Hawker 800XP and Citation. No, I don't have a job yet but I am willing to take the chance after all when I started my aviation training I didnt have a job either.

My background is; UK based 2000+hrs, 700+ multi IFR, JAA CRI/IRI, Charter pilot, seaplane pilot etc. so I am not too fresh out of the pond. Willing to live away etc.

Any advice or suggestions (apart from don't) would be very gratefully recieved

:ok:

[Son of a Beech]

with the C-500 rating you can fly a whole range of AC from C-500, 550, Bravo, XL so there is more choice on aircraft.

[beachman]

Go for the CE-500 rating, Pilotbear. Plenty of work.

Yes, it gives you the 500/550/560 models; but it won't give you the C560XL.

BM

[pilotbear]

:cool: thank you, can anyone suggest any serious contact nos? (especially if there is plenty of work beachman ;) ) PM if necessary.:ok:

[enigmajet]

I have a Hawker 700 rating and it includes the very first hawker up to the 800XP. The 1000 is a different type and requires another type rating. Im sure you would need to do some sim time when moving from one to the other but its all on my licence from the one type rating. Thats a lot of different AC's.
Good luck.
:cool:

[theWings]

beachman

so which rating will include the C560XL as well? would seem a popular a/c and maybe worth the additional cost?


pilotbear

which did you choose?


anyone know of an outfit which can bolt the MCC course on to the front end of the Type Rating? (yes, i've strayed in here from wannabees!)

[pilotbear]

I am going to do the Hawker rating.:cool:

[theWings]

I'm still leaning towards Cessna. Just hoping that <1000hr + type rating will get me through the door...

Enjoy your course and Good Luck!

[pilotbear]

well the cessna ce500 rating will give you 33% of all biz jets in the world at the moment....however all the other citation pilots know that too.
how much multi/ifr time have you got.

Flight Safety and Simuflite should do MCC, but I think you need it prior to the course.

[beachman]

theWings,

The C560XL rating is stand-alone. It will not give you any other type; nor will any other type give you the XL.

BM

[theWings]

Just got off the 'phone from CAA and Flight Safety. The XL rating costs 50% more than the 500 series and, as you say, is for just one rather than three models.

So with 700hr total, 350multi, 300 IFR, do I go for the XL niche or swim in open water with all the 500/550/560 types? :confused:

More sleepless nights ahead...

[beachman]

theWings,

Call SimuFlite in the UK, 01279 681606. You'll likely get a much better deal on the XL course.

BM

[theWings]

Top Tip, thanks, BM!

Had a good chat, they're a bit cheaper. And without, it seems, any compromise.

tW

[unimuts]

beachman

Any chance of telling us how much the 560XL course at simuflite is ?


Cheers

Unimuts:D

[wjrazavi]

Okay, I'm another guy who just couldn't stand the .........
at FlightSafety anymore and is back in the saddle flying again.

They don't like their instructors to fly and know what they are really teaching and that just doesn't sit well with me any more.
I walked more than six times my paycheck in business in the door every year and they didn't like my flying on the side.

Anyhow, here's the scoop.
It's a hefty chunk at either FlightSafety or SimuFlite
for a type rating in the 500 series Cessnas which gets
you the venerable fleet of 500/550/560 and runs
anywhere from 12 to 18K USD
The Excel will run you anywhere from 18 to 28K USD
for a type rating in a stand alone airplane.
I have flown both extensively.
The Hawker is like the Excel in pricing.

The 500 series is easier to fly, BUT
if you are going to study hard and work hard,
pick something you can get a job at.
Everyone and their dogs already has
a 500 series rating and the same can
be said of the Hawker. But, there just
aren't enough Excel drivers around.
So, if you get an interview and they tell
you they will give you a chance at the
Excel if you have a rating in the pocket,
just do it....... I have helped put many
low time pilots through the Excel course
and watched them get hired on.
They were all hard working and impressive
for their effort, a little time now in the plane
and I bet they are polished pros.

Back to the price thing.
Okay FlightSafety is more and it doesn't make sense.
SimuFlite is 80% of their price and there is no real
reason for the difference and this isn't just because
I just left FlightSafety. I worked there because they
charged more and paid their instructors more.

My own money in the past and in the future
Simuflite is a better price deal.

Look also at your realistic price point and
opportunity cost. Don't be the guy who
gets suckered into getting typed and then
no job and long time to pay back a loan.

Ask any questions if you want to hear answers.
Your bud in the sky
Walter

[doo]

wjrazavi
What are the chances of a Canadian getting a excel job in the US?
I like the idea of Texas, got a freind there.