AirAsia, MAS and future Malaysian Pilots - BEWARE: MFA

[longlatif]

To all future aspiring commercial pilots in Malaysia beware of the Malaysian Flying Academy (MFA).

Some basic FACTS:

1) CAA requirement: The ratio of students to instructors is 6:1.

FACT: Currently MFA instructors have up 12:1. Students are flying close to 8 hours per MONTH if they are very lucky!

2) Principle continues to accept students for new courses even though facilities, instructors and aircraft can not cater for anymore.

FACT: Flight hours are around 7000 hours BEHIND schedule! MAS, Air Asia are given priority but most courses are still at least 1000 hours behind.

3) Max flight time for instructors is 650 hours.

FACT: Most instructors have exceeded this DCA and UK requirement. Yet DCA turns a blind eye and will NOT enforce this. I have spoken to instructors and they said they have no power because DCA won't back them up.

4) Aircraft are old and facilities are terrible.

FACT: Piper aircraft are in such bad shape and instructors have offices inside cargo containers UNTIL new building is constructed.... Plans have been drawn up but as yet no news on building date. Maintence is WELL below any flying school standard!

5) Malacca airport is a good training facility.

FACT: Malacca is a great training airport in Malaysia BUT can only cater for a certain amount of traffic. At present FAR too many aircraft are using this facility.

6) Principle is not suitable and can NOT run the flying school!

FACT: So many people hate this guy and morale at the school is at an all time low. He has NO management skill, decision making abilities and lies through his teeth.

So before deciding to be an airline pilot, think carefully about what this "ACADEMY" can offer you. Remember if you are a private student you will be treated 2nd class as cadets WILL have first priority.

The standard of students coming out of this academy is VERY low and MAS and Air Asia are finding they are not receiving QUALIFIED commercial pilots.

It seems that DCA believe that by training pilots in Malaysia they are going to be suitably qualified. MAS are dying to get out of MFA and send there students abroad to Australia or LATC for some real commercial training so they come back as qualified and safe commercial pilots.

Unless DCA do something I would NEVER fly MAS or Air Asia again....It won’t be long until there is a serious aviation accident in Malasyia… :uhoh:

[Snot Box]

To further elaborate, from what I gather while sitting for my exams, I did see some of these MFA students cheat and/or attempt to cheat. Just goes to show some of these kids with rich daddies have no clue about aviation and no sense of dignity and respect for the system.

No doubt cheating is a serious matter and the really sad part is these attitude rich kids will be our future airline pilots not only for Malaysia but other parts of the world too. Most of them really need a reality check and must realize how DAMN LUCKY they are to be a seat warmer on a Boeing or Airbus while they are still wet behind their ears.

And please don't tell us how you are too good for a Dash 7 or a Fokker 50 or a Twin Otter.

[WLM]

Good to see other people have the decency to write up their true realistic perception of aviation training in Malaysia. Even better to see that Australia is seen as a safe and skilled aviation training .. I was getting the feeling that we're all hated over here for our knowledge and experience....
:p

[MASsenger]

Longlatif,
Have you been bit in the butt severely by MFA for something you did wrong. Your line certainly comes off as the sour grapes syndrome. You are trying too hard to run down MFA, although there may be justification in some of what you say. I have no idea of the quality of training at MFA nor do I want to defend them. I know MFA had a golden opportunity with my present establishment, but they blew it. You finally killed the goose by your presumptions of unsafe & unqualified pilots in the air at MAS & AA, who did their training with MFA.

I am sure AA like MAS will have it`s own training section to fine tune these MFA qualified pilots. I was a trainer at MAS and also DCA appointed check airman. I can guarantee you that we never passed anyone who was substandard. No matter what poor abinito training one had, no one slipped through the net. Sure there were a few with poor basics, but that only meant he had to work harder to get up to airline standards. Each of these abinito would go through a well structured program of Ground School, Simulator, Base Training and extended Line & Route Training before they can call themselve Airline Pilot. See you soon for your fine tune!

[Robert Palmer]

I was a trainer at MAS and also DCA appointed check airman. I can guarantee you that we never passed anyone who was substandard

Phew, thats reassuring. From the contact I have had with DCA that makes an awful lot of sense.

[CAPTAIN WOOBLAH]

MASenger,

Leave the kid alone. If you feel that he is not correct than address the points he has made.

I for one agree with him and so do the MAS cadets trained at MFA from the late 80's. Even then the whole lot of them complained about the accom, aircraft, instructors (Airfarts) and flight training. The ground school had one good bloke Mr H.S.L. the place was over crowded ect. ect. I had many of them with me in the RHS telling me all about it those days.

MAS has many short comings and many pilots are passed with as much knowledge in flying as a middle eastern camel flea. And that includes a few instructors. MAPA (Malayu Ada Pilot Ada) makes sure of that doesn't it!!!!!!!!!

And cheating, thats a Malaysian past time from paying off cops to ATPL's thats why it's no longer valid in the UK.

Keep it up Longlatif. If it smell like sh!t then it usually is, don't be intimidated by anybody in this game. If you see something wrong call it out and if you feel it's dangerous do something about it. It may just save your life. MASenger has no concept of CRM this is a problem with Asian captains.

Wooblah.

[MASsenger]

Captain Wobaalah

if your idea of CRM is to reduce training standards and SOPs, that`s how much you know about CRM huh! Yup, you boys out there better be afraid of flying!

[willflyer]

The standard of students coming out of this academy is VERY low and MAS and Air Asia are finding they are not receiving QUALIFIED commercial pilots.

I find this comment highly insulting as I am a product of this academy, and so are hundreds of other MFA alumni (whose names you can take from the MFA homepage), who have now gone on to become industry leaders and not only with MAS but with other leading airlines. Do you think they would be so marketable if they were, as you hinted, unqualified and unsafe? Or are such airlines as Emirates or Cathay Pacific doing charity by taking in substandard Malaysian pilots?

Your views are your own, of course, but it comes off, as MASsenger put it, sour grapes, unless you can suggest a better flight school in Malaysia. Or even offer suggestions to improve the training. Comments such as accusing the principal of having no management skills and lying through his teeth won't make your arguments seem more valid.

[Lloyd Braun]

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH


Can you confirm that an ATPL obtained from MFA is not rubber stamped into a UK ATPL ?

The way MFA have spelt out their courses etc it looks as though they use the UK ATPL syllabus and imply that one could receive a UK ATPL on the basis of their course.

But this was on an old pamphlet I read some time ago.

Any comments appreciated.

Regards

[CAPTAIN WOOBLAH]

MASenger, What are you dribbling about you post consists of nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!

Lloyd,

Thats right no rubber stamp to UK ATPL as a result of massive cheating some years ago. The UK CAA actually sent their own invigilators to oversee to papers and exams until the not for the issue of UK license rubber stamp was introduced on the result papers. You are correct that the exams and syllabus is identical to the CAA.

But, if you have experience and the right of abode in the UK/EU or join as an expat you can get a JAA/CAA validation based on your employment contract.

Wooblah.

[Shintaro9]

Hi All...

Many many years ago MAS cadets were sent to UK, Scotland, Australia, Indonesia and some locally for abinitio training.

We all came back and got posted to F27s as SOs. We the worked our way up the fleets as FOs. Later we took ATPLs and then went down to either F27s and B732s for our initial command.

There was no differences really amongst the cadets from the different schools. This I noticed when we were FOs and later when I became captain. Also when I was IP and AE on 734s, DC10 and 744s, I found that there was really no difference that would make one batch more superior than the other.

All in all, I can say that it was a pleasure training and flying with everybody.

I can also say this. On many occassions I was privy to discussions about complaints about MFA to MAS management. I can only attribute that to the fact that it was a new training school and only the second (MAC was the first) that was involved in training commercial pilots in Malaysia for MAS. Also I guess that MFA was staggered by the number of pilots that MAS has sent them ( due to the shortage as a result of pilot leaving them for better paying airlines). I can also say that MFA can still improve if they put in more money and address the complains and also get better qualified FIs.

I am not worried. If the pilots from MFA are substandard, the IPs and AEs in MAS will fine tune them accordingly. This has been and shall be done for all batches that come back.

MAS wasnt looking for standards when they sent the boys to MFA, they were cutting cost that's all.

BTW, aviation accidents/incidents happen all the time regardless of where the pilots were trained or come from. It's our job to prevent one. I dont rely on MAS to support me or DCA to enforce anything as both parties are up to their noses with their own problems.

See guys, when you are in your ship, your are The Boss. Make sure you concerntrate on making you flight safe and avoid accident/incident at all cost.

Willflyer,

They said bad things about my training school too in those days, but heck look what happened. All of my batch boys are on the 744s now. Some are/were management, some are AEs and IPs, while only 3 of the 15 are line folks. (Oh, many though has left for KAL and CAL or Air Atlanta).

Happy Landings...:)

[satumare]

well said Shintaro.

[CAPTAIN WOOBLAH]

Well said Shintaro.

I remember the low pitch stops, fuel trimming and the scream of the darts.......... how the years have flown by................

Wooblah...................

[MASsenger]

Shame on you Captain Wooblah, you are an expat which means you are out of your own country. Instead of appreciating the offer a job by your host country, you choose to criticize and insult the integrity of Trainers, Pilots & Management of your host country’s main stream airline. IP`s & AE`s at MAS do an excellent job to cater for whatever shortfalls abinitios come in with. Pilots from MAS are well positioned with other airlines of the world presently, I`m sure that itself speaks for the high standards. But then, one can only appreciate all these with mainstream experience!!!

[Bird Doo]

Wot absolute crock. Obviously some MAS pilots have not had a reality check lately on wot is coming out of MFA.

DCA malaysia is corrupt. MFA is bending the rules to suit themselves. DCA dont care and MFA management know this. DCA did not close them down for a long time as they were the only flying school in Malaysia. Even with LATC starting, nothing will change. Its all tooooo hard lah! Conditions will continue to deteriorate at MFA that is a fact.

Appreciating a job in a foreign country is not about just sitting back and watching everything fall apart. Its about taking an active part if you are able. Am sure this will not appeal to the "arm chair" airline pilots.

Shintaro9

"MAS wasnt looking for standards when they sent the boys to MFA, they were cutting cost that's all"

Need i say more!

[MASsenger]

Yes, be constructive by all means through the appropriate media. No ones asking you to stay fat, dumb & happy. But bloody crock it is, when you just shoot off your big fat mouth!

[PPRuNe Towers]

Haven't really got the hang of democracy, freedom or the internet have you??

6 points made in the initial post and not one refuted or rebutted.

If it is rubbish it is child's play to knock those points down one by one - or are you part of the whole problem?

Rob

[speedtwoten]

wel said shintaro, I hope we one like you in my company and sadly we don't have, we a lot's of pilot's but very little captain

[longlatif]

Well I think I might have opened a can of worms on this one....

MASsenger: RELAX!!! WOW! I think you are about to pop a blood vessel. I simply noted the POINTS (as Rob stated) on what I saw when I was at MFA.

If you have a problem with any of these points, please feel free to address them in turn.

Bird Doo: I couldn't agree more with you. Unless something is done at the top (DCA) then the problem is only going to get worse. This being Malaysia, I really can't see that happening...

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH: Thanks for the information regarding the rubber stamp from the UK. I was unsure about that also.

I would encourage any instructors currently working for MFA to address any of these points that I have made. :ok:

[CAPTAIN WOOBLAH]

Massenger,

Read the first line in my first post this has ben reiterated by others. And, keep your blood pressure in check as advised by Longlatif.

The trouble with you is that you are the product of the bumi misinformation age believing you are superior to everybody else.
Time for a reality check.

Appreciate a job offer from the 3rd world airline you are an employee of, I think not lad I would not even consider it!!! I was there when you were being toilet trained and well I had many fond memories but it was too much of a pain putting up with people like you who suffer from acute racism and just cannot stand to see anybody promoted including you own kind.

From your post I can only imagine what sort of TRI/TRE you would be. Most probably a screamer intimidating your students revelling in the sweat pouring from their bodies and the look of fear in their faces. I bet you insist on being called captain outside of work and wear your uniform to the corner store.

And, in the near future MAS will be hiring tons of expats on higher salaries than you and as usual the flight attendents will be serving them in ways you only dream of. Of course we will hear you wailing and moaning about them too. But this time they won't give a flying fart and just use up the experience and the girls then move on to greener pastures with real airlines.

With all the good pilots gone or going from MAS I just wonder what is left. I would wager there are a few good competent chaps left but the majority are those that can't leave because their standards are so poor they fear the sim checks.

What would be good and profitable for MAS would be to let a white man run it because you guys have certainly proved that you can't and are totally incompedent. Perhaps the government could get Mr. Dixon in?

The pilots with good standards in MAS have either retired, are about to retire or have VOTED WITH THEIR FEET!!!!!!!!

Wooblah.

[MASsenger]

Tks for the info Rob, I`m taking a walk in the park.

[WLM]

Expats don't think they're better at flying than locals. THEY ARE BETTER AND SAFER than most of them!
It has nothing to do with arrogance, or racism etc etc, simply with the quality and high ethics we must go trought in order to qualify for our licences. And MAINTAIN them throughout our career.
If for once, you could all drop your attitude of being untouchable when it comes to sharing quality training, knowledge, etc, it would be a better, friendly and safer work environment.
And please don't refer to DCA as wanting to pass the applicants....certainly not when they're expats...I have never seen so many obstacles we must overcome before qualifying for a validation or local licence! For what? You're a small country with limited aviation, limited aids, etc but still maintain an Expat ICAO licence is almost worthless...Ahahah
Yes we 've all been young, and wet behind the ears; however we certainly were humble and learnt from our fellow experienced pilots regardless of race, religion and other beliefs. Look at some of our PPrune registration and you will note that we share a common pool of knowledge and experience.
That was my 2 cents

[CAPTAIN WOOBLAH]

Firstly, it is the captains that are leaving MAS and there aren't enough fo's with the required hours (aeronautical experience) to fill the gaps left by current captains to be upgraded to fill the positions left vacant by the captains that have "VOTED WITH THEIR FEET" and left. Therefore if many captains leave there will be a big enough gap to initially disrupt the schedule (that's what's happening now) and as more leave shut down routes by fleet as the roster fails to supply the schedule.

Secondly, yes agreed nobody is indispenseble. So as more local captains leave MAS and there are insufficient Fo's with upgrade qualifications MAS will be forced to hire more captains for obvious reasons. These pilots will be expats who are type rated and they will be slotted to fleets as the demand requires. Already MAS has its feelers out for all fleets and the adds are out for DHC6, F-50 & 734. But the major shortages look like A330 & 777 with 744 suffering from old farts like me retiring.

Thirdly, Address the issue of exam cheating and airspace training in strong winds, ice and snow as to why training from outside Malaysia is advantageous. Look at the background of instructional staff both inflight and on gound. Then look at the respective regulatory bodies and their requirements. For Gods sake, Malaysia does not even have a PPL, CPL or ATPL syllabus it merely follows the UK CAA. What does this say about the DCA. either they cannot set it or ICAO doesn't allow it due to cheating and leaking of papers. BTW at MAS we have special instructors for the DCA guys. did you know that? Furthermore did you know that some of them have not passed their ATPL's but are operating on honary ATPL's that they will most probably take with them when they leave DCA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lastly, it is a two way street and sometimes it is the company that abuses its staff and this is firmly the case with MAS. Just look at the exodus of pilots of all races. But now, hell the melayus are the main bunch leaving, what does this say!!!!!!!!
Hey all pilots retire and you will too, but just remember the old farts know a thing or two cause we've been around you know!!!!

Wooblah............................

[triplebogey]

answer to questions ..
1.there is no normal route with regards to F50 or 737s its up to the management
2.nobody knows...even management
3.there is none
4.a)by a bidding system when there is a
vacancy
b)and being somebodies son, nephew etc
helps.
choose? pls refer to 4(b)
5)no

And finally dont waste time trying to look at MH's standpoint because there is none. There is no one competent enough where it matters to make any form of proper planning.If they(management) gave 2 h**ts about the airline OR its pilots then MH would not be in its current dilemma.

regards

[chan55]

I have this to suggest to you......for goodness sake, go and finish your CPL/IR and ATPL first before even cracking your head about what's going to happen by the time you finish training. You are talking from what you hear from the outside. It's a very uncertain aviation world out there. So, concentrate on completing first OK. :cool:

[cav-not-ok]

hello ladies and gentlemen,

i am a graduate from MFA and I have to TOTALLY agree with longlatif.
in fact he left out a few points.
the main reason MFA IS in the DRAIN is because of the principle. he is an Ass Ole. he runs the school looking only for profit, profit and profit. everything else get put in the back seat. safety, quality and standards.

lets look at it this way. the school takes more than RM150,000 per student and there are about 250 students at this current time. with batch average of 10~15 students, that's more than a RM1,000,000 per batch. and that's about 10 batches at a time. so thats about RM10,000,000 at any one time.

so as you can see, there is alot of money coming in, but i am yet to see money going out.

from the acaedmy ground school facilities point of view.. most of the buildings are ex-freight containers. even the exam hall is 2 or 4 cointainers joint together, which makes the floor very unstable. it bounces up and down when you walk. next, when they lost their giant crp-5 (the big training one), they did not bother to replace it, citing it was too expensive. the only time they do upgrades or clean ups to make the school look better is when either DCA or MAS or other investors come in to inspect or view the place. they siap change the table covers in the cafeteria. but of course they take it off once they leave.

next are the aircrafts. most single engine aircrafts in MFA have only one radio and one vor reciever. and if you are lucky you could get a working ADF receiver. and mind you they are all more than 15~20 years old (the radios). the Attitude indicator and directional indicators in the planes are all running all over the place. especially the DI. less than half of the aircrafts in the academy have working Transponders. when some thing breaks down, they usually do transplants.. ie. they take out one radio from a 2 radio a/c and shove it into the s/c requiring the a/c. these are the things i can see. as far as the engines go, i cant really tell. but i can tell you on go around and full power they sputter like a 95 year old (2 big packs of dunhill a day) smoker.
i have spoken to the engineering staff, and they have told me that they have requested for the spares to be brought in, but they were all turned down by GP Capt (r) kokshove (mr principle is case you didn't know)

ok enough about that. i can understand that these are all not really major problems. and if push comes to shove the training can be done, but considering the fact that i paid RM150,000+ to these people, i EXPECT better QUALITY. i havent even started on the food (RM15 a day [breakfast, lunch, and tea -no dinner] compulsory and to be paid upfront before the course begins), their RM700 a month mini rooms the size of a link house toilet which is not included, and thier modern* "state of the art" simulator*. not to mention the problems with the instructors. aiyayai!~

ok.. now about the cadets.. (sorry if this is turning into a book).. hehehe ;).

as far as private students go. long latif is right. they are 2nd~3rd class citizens in the country of MFA. and MAS cadets being the drug of choice. i dont understand why they do this. in fact if i was principle(dictator) i'd treat the private students with love and respect, mainly cause they pay me cash!

now. regarding the problem of MAS cadets coming out of MFA and turning into bus drivers, its not really MFA's fault(well it still is partly) is because of the MAS selection problem. MOST of these so called cadets don't even want to be pilots. they are all there only for the money and the ladies. i feel that to be a pilot, a person has to WANT to be a pilot and to love being one. there are so many kids out there who would do anything to a pilot, but due to this so called *QUOTA* system (if you know what i mean, just shake your head.. if not, then just ignore.......- PIG!) they all have to wait 5,6,7,8,9,10, years till they get picked.

there are more reason for the lack of quality of pilots due to the reason of mfa but this simple message would of already turned into a novel. so i'll stop here. ask more and i'll update you guys.

[7sex7]

chan 55,

I cudnt agree mo with you ....Worldliner shdnt be ere,he shd be in some wannabe forum!!I bet we were all were like him when some of us started moons ago!

Worldliner
One thg at a time....were u a singaporean in ur past life??U sound soooo kiasu mate.....dont take mo than u can chew,plse mark my comments- n remember it,n see whether u agree with me in 20 yrs to come if u manage to make it as a pilot!!U sound as thou u live in a perfect world...mate ,wake up!!I bet ur adrenalin is overflowing rite now,but I wanna see whether u will still have the same opinion after 5 yrs in any airlines`~thats if u manage 2 get into 1!!!!

cav not ok,

I agree with u totally....u shd be including the ppl who gain the most by kokshove's rule of ""must have d nutrious meal in MFA""
Im sure its an open secret```

WOOBLAH...

Good daddy's advice..............take care boss!!

[malaysian eaglet]

Attention

As LATC is mentioned, I have to rectify your assessment:
1) LATC is starting and due to the specificity of our syllabus and the fact we do not accept any intake out of our program, 4 aircraft are sufficient to pass our cadets through the PPL phase until July. After, ....it is another story and we are finalising a big deal in order to increase our fleet up to 18 SE (new) and 2 TE by the end of the current year. The aircraft will arrive within 3 months for the first ones (Before July). As the deal is under final negotiation, I cannot say more for the time being.
2) We aim to be at REAL international standards within a year. It is the objective assigned by Tan Seri Halim himself. We are working hard on that.
3) we do not accept any intake out of our program, in order to respect our customers (Airlines and privates).
4) We think we are quite different from MFA in our aims and behaviours.
Aeronautical Regards
malaysian Eaglet

[cav-not-ok]

i'm very sorry to hear of your posting. my deepest condolence.
hehe

ok, some advice:
1. once you start flying, watch out for those fukedtup headsets.
they are as hard as hell and stink like a mass grave left open for 5 months or more. whatever you do, dont squeeze the sponges on the thing. its and instant cause for nausea. hehe

2. beware of that S Ole they call chief ground instructor. he's seems very very nice, but inside he is a lying snake. S-OLE!

other than that, dont ever miss a flight or they will hold it against you for the rest of your life there. and dont worry about instructors. if you are unhappy with yours, that just means you have to study harder by yourself.

AND!!!!!!!! don't go to MFA and think you are some hero. treat every one as equals, for you'll be seeing them for the rest of your life. be friendly and people will be friendly with you.

GOOD LUCK, cleared for take off, runway 03!

[7sex7]

In a way its goood u got mfa....IF U CAN COME OUT OF THERE ALIVE n still positive about flying====u can fly anywhere man!

Most of the ppl there r nice,just that some(to b exact-2) NON MALAYSIA(read:indian xpat) ppl are making it stink!!

CAV not ok is very correct in his posting-for the headset,if ur daddy can afford it,get a piece of DAVID CLARK,with the gel earpad n flex boom-it will cost bout,RM1600-its money well spent,can get it in singapore!!U wudnt wanna go deaf by saving some money,n using the MFA's ugly set!!N it filters loads of the unwanted noise from the screaming 20 yr ol engines-

[Chrome]

Dude, I'm sure you paid attention during your Airframe & Systems classes that the headsets used during training and the ones used in the airlines are different.

[mktong]

cav-not-ok:
were you a private student in MFA? if yes, where are you now? MAS or AIR ASIA...
im about to start my faa conversion to the malaysian licenses in LATC soon.
i need to have some talks from all the privately trained student from malaysia..
thank you

[cav-not-ok]

yo dude,

if by private student you mean dumbass then, yes.

i'm not sure about the conversion from faa to malaysian dca cpl/ir atpl. i think you might have to do some flying and air law papers

ah.. my employment info is p n c. no leaking

[Bird Doo]

Hey people

Get back to the point of the poor conditions and at MFA and DCA in general.

You wanna discuss something else like headsets, put it on another thread.

longlatif n cav-not-ok are on to som ting here. lets here from the current crop of MFA instructors. Are there any other Pvt, MAS or AirAsia graduates that have something to say about MFA.

[longlatif]

Great to hear everyones valid points!

MASsenger has gone VERY quiet....

You won't hear any information from ANY of the current instructors. GP Capt (r) kokshove (Nice one:ok: ) has the entire group gagged... You talk, you're FIRED!!!:*

DCA should be doing something but alas, who can be bothered driving to Melaka and entering the ring of snakes? Seems like DCA knows it's screwed up but they feel like it's helpless to do anything about it...:uhoh:

The way to fix this WHOLE mess? Fire Kokshove, stop the intake of students and clear the back-log...

Word on the street is that this post has made it to MFA and maybe even DCA.... :hmm:

[flightleader]

Dear Longlatif,

Please don't get yourself stress out by this issue.It is in fact a common problem worldwide. I was trained in Aussie land, same problem existed. My training school is a motel!! Some planes were 20+years old. food sucks,the cook was a drug addict. Serving us while he was still intoxicated...... Does all these made lousy cadets? NO!! All of us did well.Over the years,we have gone from 737,A330,777,747 FO to A330 comanders.None of my group had a drop out.
Just look at the driving school in Malaysia, are their little Kanci tip top condition? Are the intructors very good at their job? Yet,are Malaysian drivers lousy? Reckless yes,lousy? I don't think so.
Take it easy.

[kwaiyai]

I heard that there was a showdown with Kashav putting the base facts in his face. Good luck to the parties involved,
:cool: :}

[cav-not-ok]

FLIGHTLEADER

how's it going?

i just want to know, how much did you pay for your course in australia, i only want to know the cost of the basic course. how was the ground school and flying instructors? any good? any onesided, non standard fellows? anyone with major attitude or lazyness problems? just asking, not implying.... heheheheh :)

damn man, i mean- how can you compare "THE MALAYSIAN FLYING ACADEMY" with driving school? my goodness, that's a disgrace by itself. hehehehe.

by the way i would say about 40~60% of malaysians CANT DRIVE, that includes 90% of all women drivers and 70% of people outside of the klang valley area... hehehe no offence.. but its true. hehehehe~!

ps. the reason i commented on the headsets was because it stinks and it's a health hazard, i mean it wont cost the academy much to make headsets compulsory to buy, just like buying 4 maps for RM100 each. coz the academy buys these ASA headsets from singapore/or where ever/ for about RM400-600 each, and adding RM600 to course fees of RM150,000 is not much. its not even much when compared to the compulsory fees for food.

the MAIN REASONS i am unhappy with MFA is because of
A. the disrespect/lies/degradation/quality you get from MFA after paying them a !!!!load of money. totally crap. infact i was treated better in my govt high school, which was great.

B. the cost saving methods being used in the school. if the school could somehow run airplanes without wings, there'd be plane without wings waiting for you. RM1,000,000++ per batch going in, almost nothing going out. that is truly FU'd

Cav-not-Ok!

[muhan8]

Hi guys...sorry to divert from the main topic again but, mktong.....have you registered in LATC for your conversion yet? I am very not clear about what are the things that I should do to convert my NZ CPL/MEIR to malaysia's one. It would be very nice if you could share some info with me bro.....and others' too!!
Thanks man.

[mktong]

hey muhan.
you should have contacted malaysia DCA at putrajaya, just walk in and hand up all your documents should be fine.
it took me few weeks to receive the approval letter.
im required to do the caa atpl 6 papers + performance A,loading,HPL,Air law1 and 2... and some 35 expensive multi ..thats it.
u need to get an approval from dca 1st before talking to the flight school.

anyway, im glad that my classes will be started soon in april. hope to see you there.

[Lanun]

Hello Cav-not-ok :) You should know who I am yeah? Hahaha

Whatever he said is true... Captain Cockshaft is an arsehole. And to whoever that boy is who plans to join MFA.... DON'T! MFA is a money sucker which squeezes you dry without returning anything to you except for the license you carry which is still your own hardwork.

As a private student, you will be treated as 3rd class. Because it is runned by that Indian bastardo, MFA is also like India during the past where you find the 1st class and 3rd class people thingy. We'll need a Ghandi to change MFA which I think will never happen!!!

Cockshaft's henchman, P. the b0st0rd... Long story about him. He'll try to con everyone's ass by being the good guy. WARNING: He's more dangerous than any snakes in the world and should be placed in captivity!!! He gives extra worksheets specially for MAS cadets. I happened to possess a couple of it which even states "Worksheet No. X for MAS Batch X. To Be Returned To Library". Besides worksheets, P. refuses to teach certain topics of a subject to Private Students using his excuse of "Fark it, it doesn't appear in the exam!" and when it actually does appear in the exam, then he'll say "This is the first time it is appearing in the exam" repeatingly to every single private batch. The reason of him doing so is because he doesn't want any private students to score better results than the MAS cadets.

About the simulator as stated by Cav-Not-Ok, it's really in bad shape. If my grandpa is still alive, I'll bet he looks more fit than this Frasca 142 simulator. Many parts and levers are broken and not repaired by certified people. Instead, P. will use his so called "Magic Hands" to repair the poor old machine. And of course, !!!! happens eventually. Simulator Instructors are doing their job but what can you expect from them if the simulator isn't working? Cockshaft will find every excuse to say that the Simulator is working especially to new students and parents, but after some time of flight training, you'll find that you've just got kicked in de arse.



MFA would be a wonderfull academy if the 2 famous Indian Clowns never existed. The Ground and Flying Instructors are respectable people who tried their best to teach the fellow students even though they have many restrictions by both the clowns. Frankly, I remember MFA as an academy when Capt. Subra was around... He really took care of things. After he left MFA, this whole darn place is worst than a private kindergarten. And what happens next? We (Private Students) suffered...

My greatest advice, join LATC... It's new but growing. Principal's a good man. He may be strict but kind in heart. One thing for sure, he won't con your money. With the current management they have, I believe MFA will go down someday.

[7sex7]

if only u guys know,how much money exist in cockshove overseas account-that have been siphoned from MFA-??


n we MSIAN,still keeping him alive here??Shd be fired long ago-

The ACADEMY is a disgrace to all malaysiansss-myb a school in cocckshoves homeland looks better...

[Lanun]

7sex7 does have his point for sure... MFA is definitly a disgrace to Malaysians. Known as MALAYSIAN Flying Academy being runned by an Indian from INDIA. Maybe they should call it INDIAN Flying Academy if Cockshaft thinks he's that great here.

Cheers to you 7sex7!!!! ;)

[willflyer]

I feel like I have to just say something in defense of MFA.

Now I can't really rebut all the points, but as with any institution there are good and bad points.

I can honestly say I never learned a single thing from the Hon. Gp. Capt, but the rest of the instructors are truly remarkable.

Capt P., the Chef Ground Instructor, is one of the most brilliant individuals I know, even though he's as nutty as a baboon. His knowledge of Met is top notch, in fact knowledge of all aviation subjects, and he never stops learning either. He can also write cursive upside down, but that's neither here nor there.

To address your comments, Lanun. you're complaining that he doesn't spoonfeed you as much as he spoonfeeds the MAS cadets, yes? Were you there to get an education or memorise exam papers? If you study and most importantly, understand what's being taught, it shouldn't matter WHAT'S coming out, should it?

All I'd like to say is that there ARE very dedicated, brilliant Indian National instructors, some whom I'll be indebted to for the rest of my life, some whom I'll never have the chance to thank again to my eternal regret. All your sweeping comments do no justice to those unsung heroes, even though all the information u carry around in your head and in your licence, you owe to them, though it may be only one hour and one lesson.

Have you forgotten your asian values? Or even basic human decency to at least respect your teachers?

[cav-not-ok]

hey willflyer, how ya doing good? btw were you a pvt or a mas student?

as brilliant as the almighty CGI may be he is still a lying snake. a one sided, 2 faced snake! blood F'ing right hand man.. SOB! should get a life and a new car.

as far as the great ground instructors go, SOME of are really great and useful. especially capt's: Pash, SS, ME, RPM, Le franchais man, to name a few. BUT, how many times do the private student get them for instructors? most of the time these group of super-instructors get assigned to the MAS batchs. private students almost always get the new instructors who are teaching them things they(d new instuctors) have never taught before. especially important subjects like NAV, MET, Perf A.

speaking of instructors i miss old man vicks. i hope he's doing fine. funny guy. the amount of times he misled my class is uncountable. hahaha.. but i still miss him.


thats my 150,00000 cents worth.

[muhan8]

mktong, thanks for the info.....i just received a letter from DCA that consists the same info, which you have given me. The only thing about the conversion's procedure is to fly M/E not less than 35 hours!!! Y 35 hours??? It is about RM35,000!!!!
I just dont understand the concept behind that. The reason I'm telling this is coz we already have IR n we basically know how to fly the plane. We just have to familiarise with the rules and the places...that's all!!! I don't think that will take 35 hours.
Anyway if that is what DCA instruct us to do than we have to do it, no matter what...am i right?!
Ok guys thanks for your attentions n back to the original topic, cheers:ok:

[cav-not-ok]

hey man..

regarding the 35 hours, i think* i've heard of people doing their conversion in about 10.

try going over to dca and speaking to either capt yahaya or mr williams, and explaining to them and try to get a exemption.

if i'm not mistaken about 2 years ago i met a dude who was doing a conversion in 10 hours.. or something like that.. not 35. i dunno.. but try speaking to the above 2 guys mentioned and try to get some sort of exemption..

i suppose you guys have to go to MFA to do your conversion... thats RM1200x35 which is RM42000.. which you can consider as a donation to capt kokhaishoveit.

if you do go to MFA expect delays and shafting. hehehe
ADHOC students are really well known for getting a proper shafting from the priciple and flight ops.try kissing his ass and offering him yours. it might help. or for all you know but the time you get there he might treat you well after getting this bad publicity on PPrune. rumour has it he actually knows whats going on in here.

GOOD LUCK (you're gonna need it)




wait!.. i think i remember now. it was something about doing a few hours on the single engine then doing 10 on the twin.

may not seem like much, BUT it's real cost saver. RM42000 is the price of a car man! lets just he hope he doesn't give you his special compulsory meal bill. you can expect to be there for about 2~3 months just doing 35 hours on the twin. well i could be wrong.. but the place is as packed as a tight sardine can.


i think i should change my name to I_HATE_MFA, hehehe.. but that would be too general. damn, good luck anyway.

[Lanun]

Hey willflyer,

If you'd read my message clearly, I stated the 2 indian clowns very very very clearly. You should know who they are. I always loved the other ground instructors except for those two monkeys.

Just to let you know, it's not that I wanted to be spoonfed or anything. Frankly, I cleared my CA6 with own hardwork and not even by mugging coz I don't have any... In other words, not many people tend to share either. And that is why I actually resited them. CGI did not spoonfed any of us but instead mislead us to trust him. He REFUSED to teach us things which are coming out for the exams. What more, he insisted that it will never come out at all which eventually it does all the time for years... Maybe you should read my previous posting.

Btw willflyer, maybe we should meet up and chat over a beer session? :D

Thanks for backing me up cav-not-ok but that doesn't mean I'm buying you beer! Hahaha!

CHEERS TO VSM!!!

[willflyer]

Thanks Lanun, perhaps coffee since I don't drink (shocking, I know, a teetotaller pilot?!)

I did not mean to imply that you want to be spoonfed, it's just that certain comments may be construed in that way.

Yes I was an MAS cadet, and yes, I did see the double standards being practised but it was more towards giving more flying slots to the MAS cadets although at that time we had only 2 batches of private students and 3 of MAS at any one time.

I strongly doubt that the CGI would not teach a certain topic on purpose. After all, it is in the syllabus isn't it? I cannot recall any part of my ground studies that was purposely not taught, except maybe the old irrelevant stuff like Loran-C.

Has Wicks retired? I always had a soft spot for him although everyone generally held that his best years were far behind him. You can't fault an old man for trying, really, even though his style of teaching tends to be much more university-oriented (as in he comes in and expects everyone to have read the topic already and so is puzzled why nobody knows what he's talking about).

[muhan8]

Thanks man.....i'll try to do that, but I am just wondering whether those DCA chaps will ever consider my position and entertain me or not? Anyway no harm of trying, fingers crossed!
Lucky for me to get my license in NZ, which I would say the environment is the best and you will get plenty of attentions from your personal instructor and CFI as well. I would really recommend thic academy to whoever wants to pursue their flying career plus it is the cheapest place in the world(if i'm not mistaken) to get your license. Happy flying mates!!

[mktong]

muhan
u did your training in Christchurch? flying the pa28?

[cav-not-ok]

dang... i should of went there.. that'll teach me to put my money in the 1st place i see..

abt dca, i guess if you manage to meet these dudes.. they'll be more than happy to have a lil' chit chat with ya.

and yo muhan, how much and where did you do your flying? and what did planes did you fly, how many hours? and what license did you get from there? lodging, food, costs? i wanna know.. for future references.. if the total is less than RM100K, i gonna jump in the gombak river.. hehehehe

*swims for life, for the fear of being eaten alive by d crocs is too much to handle*

me:Sir the Vis is 9999 according to the taf.
Sir: well then i must be getting blind.

[muhan8]

Yup, i did my training in International aviation academy in Chch, located at Chch international airport. I flew PA38 for my PPL(cost saving) and PA28(cherokee, acher, warrior and arrow) for CPL and IR in P68 and PA34. The whole course cost about NZD 50,000, which i think cheaper than anywhere in this world(of course depends on currency exchange rates, which was 2.2 when I went there).
About accomadation, never ever worry about that because the administrator will arrange everything for you if you request and cheapest place you could find would cost you around NZD 70 per week. And you can manage your accomodation rental by working part time in the weekend, and trust me they pay hell of a lot even for waiter. That is what I did, worked 4 days a week in a restaurant and my rental is paid! And the management is awesome, plus you can really progress very fast if you show the commitment in everything and manage to convince your instructor. I finished my CPL/MEIR in 11 months, but i will say myself lucky as well coz everything falls in the right place like i planned(not everything...mmost of them). Not to mention the system overthere are very simple, approchable and student friendly. Well that will be a brief of the academy, and strongly suggest to anyone who is planning to get his/ her license in a cheaper and more systematically arranged way.

If you need more info, just gimme a shout bros!!! Catch you'll later.

[mktong]

muhan,
i was considering about that same flight school in christchurch too....but i made my last move to florida.
anyway...found which school to do your conversion yet?
i got mine in latc .... hope to see you around

make it into this way,
c 152 = usd 64 , dual usd 92
c172 and pa 28 (warior) = usd 79 , dual usd 108
pa 28R (arrow) = usd 86 , dual usd 112
pa 34 (seneca) = usd 185 only dual
sim 141 = usd 58 dual
ground = usd 28 for single engine , usd 35 for multi engine
check ride = usd 300 for each flight license or rating
housing = usd 300-350 monthly (varies when summer and winter)
big mac = usd 3
coke = usd 1 ++ in mcd
miller lite = usd 1 each can
gasoline= about usd 2 each gallon for grade premium
dominos pizza = usd 16++ for two large single topping pizzas
milk = usd 3.45 gallon
chinese buffet = usd 8 per pax
indian food = usd 15++ each dinner
and flight tickets from here to there = rm 2800 round trip

so how is it?

and another expensive RM70,000 for the conversion back in malaysia.....++++ the housing and ferry tickets to and back langkawi

[muhan8]

Holy crap!!! Seventy grand for the conversion, r u serrious or what. Is it a rough figure by ur estimation or the price you already paid to LATC?
Can we choose the school we want or it depends on the vacancy available at particular time.
I was thinking of doing self-study for my papers...do you think it is possible in MAL? Oh man, confusing and so desperado!!!

[mktong]

muhan
i got the quotation from the school....
remember 35 hours dual in multi cost a bomb.
however the ground is much cheaper compared to other countries....
anyway... it's still a bomb to me
nothing comes cheap in malaysia.

try to marry a nz chicks....no more conversion then:ok:

my last concern is landing a job after shooting all my bullets.....

self study... possible? i have no idea...and im not going for it...
you can go any school you like...anyway only 2 schools in malaysia. so any school means not so many school for you to choose too ...AVAILABILITY wise... no comment.

i cant wait to fly again...
seneca 56825, runway 7 left cleared for take off, maintain runway heading,wind 030 gusting 50 knots.

cleared for take off 7 left, 070 ,seneca 56825!

seneca 56825 fly heading 030 and contact departure

030 and contact departure

daytona departure,seneca 56825 1000 ft climbing 3000 ft

56825 radar contact,follow the shoreline northbound,watch for traffic 12 o clock,altitute unknown.

daytona departure,shoreline northbound and looking for traffic,56825

seneca 56825 radar service terminated ,squak vfr

daytona departure, 1200

blahhhh blahhh...... wonderfull

[Lanun]

mktong, you need a beer!

CHEERS!!! :}

[mktong]

Lanun....you too were a private student in MFA?
which year? and where are you flying now?

[cav-not-ok]

the story is, one day, this cadet was having lunch in the academy cafeteria when he discoverd a cockroach in his fish (it was one of those whole kembung fishes) while he was eating. SO, naturally he made a big fuss and all that jazz.

Then the heroic hero of the day GP Capt (R) kokshoveitdownmytroat came to the rescue.

HE said, "it is not that the cafeteria is unhygenic. it is that the fish ate the cockroach at sea"

you can fool some of the people, all the time
and fool all the people some of the time,
BUT you can't fool all the people all the time

[willflyer]

It's not a story, because I was there and it was my batchmate who was the "lucky one". We were the most junior batch so initially we didn't want to make a big fuss of it but of course our seniors cheerfully took up the cause for us.

You think it's an isolated incident? (and I don't think it was cockroach in a fish, it was part of a cockroach fried amongst the chicken). The HM did try to say the chicken ate the cockroach, which made SO much more sense, doesn't it?

Have you ever seen fly eggs? Well I hadn't either until my batchmate turned and showed me some on his chicken too. Suffice to say, I never ate dinner ever again in the Cafeteria of Fried Household Pests. The seniors again had a field day and this time we joined them.

It wasn't all for naught, though. How do you think the process of refunding dinner allowance came about? Before this it wasn't even an option! We had to fight tooth and nail for it but it was worth it...a hundred bucks a month extra pocket money and the peace of mind from not eating various bugs.

[cav-not-ok]

yo man.. ah, so the myth is true.

well over the years the plot may have changed a lil but the main points still remain.

well, during my time we had a few close calls too. we found a colony of maggots in our sotong sambal one day. we told the catering staff, she begged us not to tell gp capt (r) kokokokokokokshove. well some how , i'm not too sure why, we didn't. it maybe because i heard one the guys there once complained about the food and was threatend to be kicked out of the school by, none other than, GP capt (r) kokokokokokshshshshshsove.

[willflyer]

You mean it's still going on? Geez. Maybe we should bring the Health Dept in for a surprise check.

I wonder if he even has a license to operate a cafeteria.

And we all know the real reason why he chose that particular catering company belonging to that particular woman,*wink wink nudge nudge*

[kwaiyai]

Things just arent the same since Air Vice Marshall Wilson sadly Departed :( Hey Aileron Roll,
Regards:O

[Lanun]

Hey Cav-Not-Ok.... The maggots were in MY sotong :yuk:

Not only that, Chanmalichan found a millipede in his vegetable and also not to forget the all time classic, Mr. Roach in some fella's fried fish where Cockshaft insists that the fish ate the cockrach in the sea before it was caught by the fishermen and sent to the market where his darling bought it. We never know, maybe Cockshaft was crying in his room when he was alone after finding out the cockroach was his long lost brother :E

CHEERS to VSM!!!

[cav-not-ok]

no la you dungu.. it was a cockroach with the fried chicken. read page 4... DUDE~!

[7sex7]

guys,

Watever it is-u guys have been COCKSHAFTED into eating this "roach stuffed chix or fish"-fine cuisine ala french by "J@YA d bontot kuali is me"

Well,heard there is a new caterer there...alamak,there goes COCKshft's colection of sin tax.Or myb this is COCCKshaft's new
'baby,I LOVE U"

Any comments.new guys at MFA?

[Lorry_Driver]

ello guys,

hey wha'cha you guys do to Worldliner man? he came back and apologise and all, . . . . my regards to all AA cadets man.

heard 8 out of 10 MAS cadets (recently) join AA??? any of you guys can fill me in on that??

L_D.

[malaysian eaglet]

Anybody has some news about the last MFA results and the situation in the Flying school?

[Lanun]

Yeah... It's about to go down the drain :}

CHEERS TO COCKSHAFT!!!

[longlatif]

New Zealand CFI just quit.... Now MFA is in real trouble! Watch your back Kokshaft, they are coming....:uhoh: :uhoh:

DCA putting a six month stand-down on instructors EVEN after completing contract. Of course you can apply for LATC or renew contract with MFA but don't think about leaving for a REAL job (airlines).

Typical Malay thinking (short term). I never thought I would say it but I am ashamed to be a malay....

And DCA wonder why Malay pilots are leaving by the plane load....

Pull out your finger Yahya!

[cav-not-ok]

well its sad to see the NZ CFI go, but at least it was for the better. he is a great guy. one of the best, if not THE best, instructors i have every learnt under.

haha, hell back in the day, he even cleared me for my 1st solo. i am gonna miss the guy..

GODSPEED! you NZ CFI. :ok:

[allwerp]

may i know where has the NZ CFI gone?What's his name anyway?

[cav-not-ok]

topo, welcome to hell.. enjoy your stay, and dont forget to turn off the aircons in the rm700 mini rooms..

tell cockshaft i said "go kill yourself"

hehehe, too bad as a MAS cadet the food is already paid for, lunch AND dinner.

i heard that there are tons of kids going through mispa and psychomotor every week. well.. planning for the future i guess.


alwerp, i heard the nz cfi has gone home fer awhile. i also heard he maybe back one day. his name? well, it has something to do with "simple"


HEARD~!

[academy111]

I gotta agree with topo (I know who you are!! haha!). As a MAS cadet, I find that students in MFA are one of the friendliest people I've ever met. And most of the instructors here are very good (MOST!!). But as for the accomodation goes, it sucked, big time. Why the hell we paid 700 bucks for when we dont even get to on our air-cons in the afternoon when it is burning hot? And the food... gosh.. the food. I already experienced 5 food poisoning recently, no thanks to the cafe crap. There was once, I found a fly between my chicken wings. The thought of it just disgust me. Before I entered MFA, I thought that MFA IS Malaysia's best flying school. I was dead wrong. Now I have to suffer in this craphole for one year....:{

kokshove = :mad: :yuk:

[longlatif]

Glad to see all the posts!!!

Was not expecting such a huge response... :ok: :ok: :ok:

[CPDLC est]

Think positive guys, the deficiencies thrown in at MFA is a good conditioning for you guys after graduating and coming back to MAS. Don't expect things to be any much better. Malaysia is still trapped in its third world mentality !!!
Best of Luck

[cochise]

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones! About four months ago I signed a contract to start Flight Instructing at MFA. The day I signed to contract I was called by an airline back home confirming a class date and I bailed out of MFA without looking back.
Although I managed to land my first airline job many of comments on this forum are addressed day in and day out in the Carribean. What can I say, we all live in the third world and I guess it's a case of same Sh!t different region!

[longlatif]

9m-SKI crashed yesterday...

[longlatif]

Just heard MFA is loosing $2000++ per day the MAS batch is delayed...

Run Kokshaft....The net is getting tighter!!!

[aka320]

the best part is they going to be some student offday is on wednesday and thursday,flying on saturday and sunday..so mfa can operate on 7 day a week non-stop..

[drgnkid]

Hi, new here.

From what I have read so far, I felt as though a pail of ice cold water has been poured onto me. I had thought of joining MFA after my PPL but looks like I have to consider LATC now.

Is it really that bad? How about LATC? Anybody current or past LATC available for comment?

[kwaiyai]

I heard this from one guy,
L= Look
A= At
T= The
C= C I'll leave that to your Imagination.
I'm just the messenger though.

[drgnkid]

Hey Kwaiyai,

It's you who replied to me again.. :)

Well, does that mean good or bad? Pretty ambiguous...

Were you a student there or currently a student?

Anyone form LATC out there??

[kwaiyai]

This is a rumour net, All I heard was what I said. The C word was something to do with the Circus to give you a clue.
Like I said thats what I HEARD.
Regards,

[drgnkid]

Yeah...this IS a rumours forum anyway... ;)

If it is that bad, why is it that they are now overloaded, right?

Trying to keep my chin up here....:ok:

[Bird Doo]

kwaiyai

It might be a circus, but there are only two clowns!:ok:

[kwaiyai]

I heard that Bird Doo:ok:

[drgnkid]

;) Good to have 2 clowns bringing some life to the school, don't you think?

[zob]

Just bringing the thread up for the dude looking for a FI job in Malaysia :}

[ASIAN FROG]

Yes, I think that there is a general issue in Malaysia: Mathematics.
A small problem, a school is aiming to train 200 cadets in a year on a syllabus which comprises 200 hours of which 100 h are in dual. So it is a total of 40 000 hours to do in a year (50% in dual). Then the utilisation of a Flight Instructor is 650 hours per year (Exceptionally can be bring to 770 hours by DCA derogation).
Question: how many Flight Instructors I need?
European Mathematics 31 with the 650 h limitation and 26 on the 770 h
Malaysian Mathematics: variable but can be as low as 12

[ASIAN FROG]

Correction to my previous post:
I have received PMs telling me that 12 was too much optimistic, can be lower....

[kwaiyai]

Interesting stuff indeed. Worthy of note is I know 3 XMFA Cadets who I have had with me on the Flight deck as low hour FO. All good guys and should get Commands once experience level reached. Not to say there are some with an attitude prob as well Lah, Rgrds. Same allover dworld

[ToPocHi]

A very good note from spoilers armed, MFA is pretty much all that. And while it's true that MFA could do with significant improvements and revamping on a few aspects, all in all, it's a good academy.
Spoilers armed, most of the instructors mentioned in your post have left for greener pastures. However, I certainly do concur that they are indeed remarkable people and hats off to them for a job well done in MFA. And I definitely can see the quality of airmen they're producing; namely one such as yourself. Safe skies.

[longlatif]

Russ1984

Your Australian licence means nothing to DCA here. You need to sit 11 exams, Instrument rating (min 35hours seneca) and kiss a lot of ass...

Good luck

[jetjockey696]

Just add a further note besides about what LONGlatif said about license conversion....for expat thinking about malay license. Once you kissed enough butt:ok: and money away and you get the sort after license, for expat we lose our malay license, if we lose our work permit etc.

Besides it is not recognised by the JAA. even it is completely the same as JAA (questions).

[hitmanishere]

:O hello! Everbody!

U c I'm an Indian currently living in the United Arab Emirates.. Now, I have read through this thread about MFA completely,from the start to the end...

Since this thread was started in 2005, I hope most of the stuff said about MFA is quiet old:confused: .... B'coz I have paid the enrollment fee of RM12000 and secured a slot for Frozen ATPL course,on the next private batch starting on jan 07..

After reading the the posts about MFA here, I feel I have again commited a mistake by choosing the wrong school.(the first was in India wherein I joined a school that was not approved by the authorities).

Now is there anything that is good about MFA and can anyone please tell me if I should continue with the process and join MFA???

Anybody here who is currently in MFA??please gimme a positive reply.....:\

And also, I was told by Cpt.khasav that MFA produces one of the finest graduates in the world...

:(

[kwaiyai]

Hey Mate,
I am flying with some XMFA Guys who are now my FO an they are OK. Khashav exaggerates $sure and is not to be trusted. BUT,
The FI,s there are doing the best they can with what they have got,
I should ignore some of the Ignorant Khee Mak Dolay on this thread, You could do worse or better.
Just study hard and read yer books,

[er1cw]

Just add a further note besides about what LONGlatif said about license conversion....for expat thinking about malay license. Once you kissed enough butt:ok: and money away and you get the sort after license, for expat we lose our malay license, if we lose our work permit etc.
Besides it is not recognised by the JAA. even it is completely the same as JAA (questions).


Hi jetjockey,

I have a few questions regarding to your post.

1.) What is a "malay license" ?
2.) What do you mean by "it is not recognised by the JAA. even it is completely the same as JAA (questions)." ?

Hi all,

Im a Malaysian too, sad to hear the flying schools here are so corrupted at the moment.

Any advice for M'sian aspiring pilots out there ?

[hitmanishere]

:) Thanks Kwaiyai and spoilers armed, those were very comforting replies.

I had tried to get into Basiair Australia,but my visa got rejected due to lack of a proper attested document. ANd it takes around 3monts too to get the visa in my country.. So australia is not a feasible option for me.

Anyway thanks a million for answering my post.

Godspeed:)

[longlatif]

You will find it not recognized by the CAA (UK) and not the JAA...:=

Two different systems :E

Any advice? Get a real degree and have a normal life...oh let me guess? You always wanted to be a pilot and couldn't think of anything else you would want to work as?

Sad...industry going to swallow you whole

[kwaiyai]

If so Why do you persist in Writing this mindless drivel Then. Go off and get A life why not. By the way who do you fly for?
:eek:

[longlatif]

kwaiyai who do you fly for? Oh wait I already know that...

[cruisercruiser]

Hi,

Qouted from the MFA website:..."All of MFA's courses are geared towards the exceptionally rigorous and demanding standards as set out by DCA as well as the United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority (UKCAA)."

Can a school provide training that is recognised by 2 countries' civil aviation authorities? i.e MFA recognised by malaysia'a DCA and UKCAA?

[er1cw]

How many MFA private candidates are flying widebody now ?

[er1cw]

Spoiler_armed,

Thanks for the light, i certainly hope you are not the frustrated instructor who left MFA.

Btw, how much do you know about HM Aerospace ? Heard some positive remarks in regarding to their training and facilities. Will you suggest their graduates have better edge in getting into AA or MAS in comparison to MFA graduates ?

[er1cw]

Major Radzi, is he the man who founded MFA ?

Just an information to all aspiring pilots out there, APFT has recently strike a deal with AK to supply pilot. Things are looking much brighter for self-sponsored pilots nowadays.

[pendekar]

Just to add, the last i heard, the ex MFA CFI is currently instructing in HM Aerospace. It's hard to keep track as instructors jump around to different schools according to their fancies.

Spoilers is also right about the FNPT trainer and the twins at HMA are equipped with glass cockpits, so you could consider that as a slight edge.

However, be warned that HMA is not a place which is free of whatever management problems that plagued MFA, with delays anywehre from 6months to a year.

[kwaiyai]

I believe HMA were financially penalised for being late completing MAS Courses. There are other issues too regarding Instructor licensing etc. the CI has legged it to Bintulu. Wonder if like APFT they are losing Ground or flight Instructors to this new outfit In North Thailand, Wonder why indeed.:oh:

[joenlieh]

Hi Muhan, thanks for sharing ur flying experience in NZ. May i ask
1. Where r u currently flying now?
2. HOw much is the cost including accom?
3. Are there a lot asian studying there?
4. How's the prejudism against asian in the academy?

THanks for sharing again. I look fwd to ur reply to my yahoo email :[email protected] (msn also)

[QAR]

I just came to know this.

The Best airlines in the world airasia...they send their pilots to toulouse for the A340 type rating..

do you all know what they ask from their pilots?????????????


CAN YOU PAY FOR YOUR HOTEL AND PERDIEM FIRST AND WHEN YOU GET BACK WE WILL REIMBURSE YOU AFTER 2 MONTHS..

what kind of con job is this..i have never heard of this before..

no matter how small an airlines is but no one has ever done this..no matter its in the good times or bad times..

even worst this airlines has 80+ aircrafts and claim to be the best..

what a load a cr*p...

that fat bl++dy useless ceo goes around driving flash cars and sponsorsF1 team...and WHAT HE HE DOES by asking their pilots to pay first for their traninng accomadation...

this is just utter RUBBISH...

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THEIR EX QATAR MANAGEMENT BACK THEIR CEO UP..

COME ON SCUMBACKS?????