Elvis and Emirates Bad Press

[Dropp the Pilot]

Those of you agog at the drubbing Emirates is receiving in the "pilot meeting" thread should note that of the 1007 pilots at Emirates precisely 4 are doing their vitriolic best to keep that post dynamized. At 0.3% of the workforce this is roughly the same percentage of the population that believes that Elvis is still alive.

I have been with this company for more than ten years and they have never failed to deliver precisely what they promised on time and without a quibble. We have had pilots contract cancer, pilots experience emotional difficulties, pilots experience traumatic and embarassing personal problems, even pilots crashing into palm trees at 100 miles per hour and the company quietly carried them ALL on the books for literally years and financed every effort required until they were back on line. That is a fine, fine thing and stands head and shoulders above many employers in the soi-disant enlightened "West".

The peeing and moaning going on is doubtless the work of our endlessly self-pitying Antipodean colleagues. In their defense, they can't seem to help it, so spare a thought for their poor wives and try to ignore them. That's what we do on the flight deck at Emirates, one of the best places in the world for a pilot to work.

[quarefellah]

Hi!
I smell the scent of freshly hung bait but never mind. I find your references to Emirates' 'problem children' insulting and demeaning. I agree that Emirates have been good at caring for individuals who encounter PERSONAL health and emotional problems but this I put down to one individual's influence - Maurice Flanagan. It is NOT a corporate culture and this is reflected in the way 'rank and file' pilots are treated by our esteemed leaders at an 'open forum' meeting.
Perhaps our Ozzie colleagues do whine a lot but re-read the submissions on the thread and realise there are a lot of coherent and well argued points of view there.
There are many unhappy campers here who can see their loyalty to this company being frittered away by 'new arrivals' with 'innovative' man-management ideas and not a notion of how to keep people (the company NEEDS to be) onside.

[max AB]

Dropp, I respect your 0.01% opinion as you are entitle to it. As for me, well as my profile says, I'm from OZ, and as happy as a pig in !!!! at EK. Happy fishing!

[menard]

Dropp the peanuts,

You must come from a terrible place to consider health care as a benefit.... But if free breathing air, sunshine, and right to drive a car turns you on....Have fun....If I start my own company, you are hired...

[rapper]

Couldn't agree more...well defined and said! Some guys there think that a command promotion at Emirates is their BIRTH RIGHT!, even if they are NOT up to the job. They are willing to bitch about everything, putting "the company's best interest" behind!
Well,a msg to all dissatisfied EK pilots: If you are man enough to stand behind what you post here... go ahead and leave. Go back to your "contract honouring" countries of origin or citizenship! With your "extensive" experience, you guys shouldn't have a problem landing a good flying job there, right??? Enough with the "dusting my cv" childish, sorry, cowardly and pathetic remarks! And keep us informed on your career updates.

[Check 'Six']

Wow, we now have 0.02% of righteous brothers!!

I wonder why the Emirates meeting post has approximately 21000 hits (views)

At the next meeting you guys can stand up and tell the rest of us to wind our necks in!!

One of the downfalls in this industry is our very own!

So I take it that in other airlines if someone falls ill, the company actually goes out of their way to sack them! I Doubt it!

And the rest of the pilots in the world live in tents and cannot educate their children because the airline does'nt pay for it! I Doubt that too!

Answer me this question: If this company did not pay for your rent and your childrens education, would you still be here?

[Cerberus]

Cx 6,

Quarefellah got it right; can you jump in the sea next time I go fishing?

DTDP has used his argument about personal welfare to defend the management of EK before. Personally, I agree with him that the medical guys have been stout beyond reproach. Not sure what that has to with the way in which the package has eroded or the way in which the management have been communicating with the pilots during recent meetings.

You are making the wild assumption that Rapper works for EK. Just the other day he was offering advice to an MAS pilot about a move to Qatar. Maybe its only 0.01%. Mind you, DTDP was sniffing out Etihad's package and terms of service just too so it might be down to zero soon.

In my 0.01 % opinion, DTDP is correct that some of the invective that has gone on over the last few weeks has been way over the top. But the facts speak for themselves, the package has degraded relative to inflation by 50% in 10years and one manager at least has been surprisingly dictatorial and reticent to discuss the issues. One would hope that it would be possible to raise concerns at different levels but the message put out seems to be join (or don't join) or leave with nothing in between. Makes for short meetings at least.

By the way DTDP, have you proof about Elvis' whereabouts; I always wanted to meet him!

Cerberus

[millerscourt]

White Knight

Don't tell me that even you are now so disillusioned with EK that you have taken to the bottle!??

Perhaps you came across "dumpvalve" and her wine drinking lunchtime friends?:confused:

For what it is worth things are just as bad regards T &C's and management style here in SQ. Luckily I only have a few years left to go so I can put up with it without hitting the bottle!:ok:

[millerscourt]

White Knight

It is not too late to be saved.

I almost feel duty bound to join EK as a DEC in order to put you on the right path. The big question is. Do you want to be saved or are you hell bent on pressing the self destruct button?:confused:

[donpizmeov]

I think the dropped pilot landed on his head! Shame the clinic is so overcrowded that he can not get an appointment for some help.
He has missed the whole point of the postings on this forum. Our management ruined a perfect oppurtunity to communicate with its pilot body at a recent meeting. If it had just used the meeting as a forum to discuss pilot concerns, rather than completely ignore and dismiss them, the postings on this forum would be far different. We were given a very glossy paper prior to the meeting (the contact mag!), in which TCK stated the points that were to be discussed. What false advertising this turned out to be, as none of it happened. They would have been far better to have just called the whole meeting off before hand, as it was a waste of everybodies time.
EK is a great place to be. But I think most can see the writing on the wall. Our conditions are erroded daily without any consultation (how many pilots were involved in the recent pilot pay review? how many were told they would have accelled commands only to be told after contract signing that the rules are now changed? Does anyone remember the meeting not that long ago when we were told that DECs would need a min of 3000hrs wide body command....when did the A320 become a wide body? We were told at a meeting that expat contracts change all the time and we should expect this...well I do not see this mentioned on the careers web site!).
We are told times are good for EK at the moment and this is how we are treated, We had better be very careful when times decline!
It is a shame that an airline that embraces modern Technostuff for airplanes and IFE, can not move its managment style out of industrial age Britian (and no that is not a slur on our Brit comrades!).

[helen-damnation]

rapper

I think you are missing the point. Nobody says that promotion is a right, but being elbowed out when you have all the requirements apart from 3 years in the company sucks.
All we want is a chance to do the course. Instead we are being passed by (some) people who have command on nothing bigger than a 320/MD90/737, have only flown regionally and in some cases haven't even operated HF! (I kid you not).
Most would probably be happy with a level playing field.

H-D

[Dumpvalve]

Millerscourt, you're quite right - you don't need to hit the bottle - we all know you have other vices.
For instance, your unhealthy obsession with EK. If you like, we could start a support group for you. How does Emirates Anonymous sound? "Hi, my name is Millerscourt and I have been infatuated with EK for ages. I know its wrong and I need help!"

Also, it is advisable to actually secure employment with a company BEFORE you threaten to take the job. I realise that with your consummate aviation skill, it would merely be a formality but humour us anyway. If not, why don't you confine yourself to a more pertinent site, i.e. Far East?

[mogley]

Helen-damnation,
Guess we can't all have been as lucky as you to be born onto 'heavy metal'.

[helen-damnation]

mogley,

Far from it, but if I told where I started it would give the game away and I may wish to sling more mud :ok:
Like a lot of people here, I have slogged my way through various jobs and was not given anything on a plate.
All I ask for is the 'level playing field'.
Not unreasonable I feel :hmm:
H-D

[millerscourt]

Dumpvalve

Don't be like that darling. What a feisty lady you are. Perhaps my obsession as you quaintly call it is not with EK but you and post in order to draw you out of your lair.:{

These sites are for all and sundry,even wives of F/O's in EK!!


helen-damnation If you want a level playing field then you are in the wrong business as they do not exist in Aviation.

[Dumpvalve]

Hey Millerscourt,
I see you're back, like a bad cheque. I hope you've taken cognisance of the support group I mentioned - it's never too late to get help.
By the way, you're right about the site being for all and sundry, even for wives of EK capts!
I'm just trying to help you spend your time more constructively, but I guess at your age, it's just the old PC and colostomy bag... :sad:

[4HolerPoler]

Keep it nice folk. This room is hot enough without you two giving each other the lava-treatment.

4HP

[Kaptin M]

"If you like, we could start a support group for you. How does Emirates Anonymous sound? "Hi, my name is Millerscourt and I have been infatuated with EK for ages. I know its wrong and I need help!"......I hope you've taken cognisance of the support group I mentioned"

Geez DV, a GROUP - I used to think of EK as being one of the better places to work...happy (husband) pilots, happy wives and families.

Have things really degenerated THAT much.
Sad, if true - DBX always seemed to offer sooooo much more, even if it WAS stuck in the middle of NOWHERE, and surrounded by a Sea of Sand!

[millerscourt]

Dumpvalve

You disappoint me with your tone and language. Not very lady like!

As for colostomy bag then I guess with a name like dumpvalve you would know all about those items.:ugh:

[Dumpvalve]

Kaptin M,
I realise that English is probably not your first language, but if you take the time to read through all our posts, you will see that I am employing a technique known as SARCASM with Millerscourt, as it was he who cast the first stone.
To clear up any ambiguity, I like Dubai just fine and count my blessings daily. What I take exception to is Millerscourt threatening to grace us with his presence every time somebody else brings up a valid point regarding the current situation.
If he is disgruntled with his current employer, that's his problem, not ours.

[ironbutt57]

Kaptin M..u're old buddy Ironbutt here..good to see ya! and the voice of reason no less...you're not goin' soft on me are ya?;)