Help! Licencing Question

[Noax2grind2]

Can any of you guys or gals help? I have a UK CAA JAA ATPL. Can I operate as crew on an N reg a/c operated purely as a private operation?
Response as soon as pos would be appreciated!
Thanks

[4HolerPoler]

If it's a one pilot aircraft you'll quite clearly require a US license to be the PIC; if it's a two pilot aircraft you'll need a US ticket to sit in either seat.

4HP

[727 exec]

...depending on what type it is (anything requiring two pilots), you'll need to have a FAA type rating to sit in either seat

[BBCapt]

Assuming we are talking a 2 crew machine... be aware that the definition of 2 pilots ( as required by acft flight manual ) means 2 type rated pilots when operating N reg in JAA land!

Not the case in the US where you don't need the rating for pvt SIC ops, only an FAA PPL and proof of competancy as P2 ( 3 t/o and ldg before pax, inc emergency proccedures demonstration, demonstration of acft systems and limitations, FAA instrument rating if operated under IFR, etc etc ).

Hope this helps( or not :confused: )

[Noax2grind2]

Thanks. It is a two crew a/c but I am type rated on my UK licence. My enquiries indicate that they will issue a FAA Private licence on the basis of my of my UK ATPL. Since I will be flying a private a/c albeit a rather large one, this should be ok.
Thanks again
Any further advice welcome!
Like where is the nearest FAA Flight Standards Office to London. They give a website for this but I cant access it!

P.S.
BB Capt. would you by any chance be BBJ? Your reply was reference to SIC. What about PIC? Can you be PIC of a medium heavy jet if type rated on a UK licence with an FAA private?
This could be getting to the crux of the matter!!! Would I need FAA I.R.?
Cheers

[CJ Driver]

The US will grant you a private pilot certificate on the basis of your UK licence in exchange for a form-filling exercise. Unfortunately to add a US instrument rating on the basis of a foreign one, you have to sit an exam, called something like "Instrument Airplane Foreign". (I confess it is many years since I did this, so the world may have changed since then). The purpose of the exam appears to cover differences in US terminology, availability of US weather forecasts, US flight planning, and suchlike, since I don't recall much about actually flying in the clouds. No flight test is required for your conversion to a US private/instrument ticket. Little of the exam is relevant if the N reg airplane isn't in the US, but nevertheless you will need it before launching IFR in your private BBJ (or whatever).

Good luck.

[V1 Rotate]

Be advised that the very first step to this is to obtain verification of your UK license.
If you go to the North American page on Pprune you will find the form, I recommend that you write the Instrument exam as described above, it is very easy.

Good luck

V1 Rotate

[Noax2grind2]

Thanks very much for all your help. This is an example of how this site reflects the spirit of professional fellowship. It does not always do so!!??
I was able to down load the application form for Verifiacation of Authenticity but was unable to access the site they give for finding the flight standards offices. I need to give one on the form, that I will be taking my docs to. Does anyone know the nearest to London??
thanks again
Stay Safe!

[BizJetJock]

If you're being paid then you need at least a commercial ticket, even if the operation is private, i.e pax (or P1) is owner. And the bad news is that now in JAA areas you need a type rating even as P2.
The good news is that if you're flying solely within the UK then a British licence is acceptable by the FAA without any paperwork, and if you have a JAA licence then anywhere in the JAA area the same holds. I forget the FAR 61 reference, but it's there!

Also the Flight Standards office responsible for Europe is the New York International Field Office at JFK. THeir contact details are on the FAA website.

[BBCapt]

Best of luck, I would heed the advise urging you to get a full ticket. As you ( may or may not ) know the FAA in conjunction with the CAA/JAA have become very hot of late on the rules for N machines in Europe so your best bet is to bite the bullet and get an FAA ATP with the type rating.

Get the client to pay as they want your services, and then you too can legally charge to 'push tin'

p.s nope Im not BBJ although in the same weight cat ( just! ) am intrigued to know what you'll be flying and for whom.......

[Noax2grind2]

Thanks for your help BB, I`d like to say, but firstly its not a done deal yet, secondly as you probably know, discretion is a pre-requisite!!
If it works out, I will drop a hint later!

[Daysleeper]

Noax

Im pretty sure you can now do any required FAA ground exams in the UK, think it was somewhere in the south west (Glouster?) might save a trip to the states.

[bluesafrica]

When I got converted to FAA I found it more difficult to pass IR exam than full ATP.
Blues:ok:

[Noax2grind2]

Thanks Daysleeper
If that were the case it would be a great help. I think I coud tie the flight test into a bit of sim in the states later. I actually did the ATR written in `93 to join Saudia, and at that time there was nowhere in UK to do it. I actually went to Dallas and did a crammed course in 4 days. Unfortunately (or fortunately!) I escaped Saudia before I did the rating and so the exams lapsed. Yet another `wish I had finished that` box in my life!!

Any more info would be very welcome.

I actually emailed the manger of the NY FAA field office but so far no response!!

[Chilli Monster]

I'm afraid daysleepers advice is a bit out of date - you haven't been able to do the exams at Gloucester for years.

However - there are two examination centres in the UK. Soloflight (http://www.soloflight.co.uk) at Humberside and American Flight Training (http://www.flyafts.co.uk) at Norwich.

Both schools will provide 'brush up' courses beforehand as you require a sign off to say that you're ready for the exam before doing them. However, I used the ASA PC based study guides which enable you to print off a mock exam result which, in Soloflights case, they were quite happy to use for the sign off prior to doing the exam.

[Daysleeper]

Chilli Monster

One of the problems with growing old, besides gloucester , norwich, humberside, at least I got the country right :rolleyes: . For me thats not bad.

[Klatsch]

NoAx - previous replies all correct, there is a simple route to a FAA ATP, having obtained verification of your JAA licence via the forms on the FAA website you will have to turn up at a FSDO (Flight standards District Office) in the US to collect your US License based on foreign. Whilst doing this take a 2 day holiday in for example Florida (there are plenty of FSDOs around) and convert your JAA ATP to a US one. ATPs (www.allatps.com) specialize in this conversion. A day spent on their computer doing exam prep is a guaranteed pass then following day one or two instructional flights in a Seminole twin plus flight test will have you walking away with a US ATP Temporary Airman Certificate. Alternatively a checkride for Initial type or recurrent checkride for your intended type at somewhere like Flight Safety International will also serve as the ATP checkride provided that you have already taken the written test. Hope this is useful. Rgds

[Saint]

You need the Instrument Foreign Pilots exam to get the FAA PPL/IR validation on the basis of your CAA ticket. I just took the exam. Not particularly hard. Just buy the book "ASA Instrument Rating Test Prep 2004" and spend 10 to 15 hours reading/practising. I've still got the book if you want it, email me.
Incidentally, no sign-off/recommendation required from an instructor for the IFP exam (all the other IFR exams do require it).
I did my exam at NWI for about £110. Good luck.

[Noax2grind2]

Thanks for all your help guys. Just got a reply from FAA NY. As I suspected I do need an ATPL ( I guess it was wishful thinking to believe otherwise!) I am now thinking in the direction of a `brush up session in the sim at FSB SEA and do the written there and get the rating in there sim.`course I need to know I`ve got the job too!!
Watch this space!!

[refplus20]

I think you need to look at FAR 61.3.

RefPlus

[activewaypoint]

Has a valid pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which the aircraft is operated may be used; and

There's the section in 61.3

A UK issued JAR licence according to the FAA, does not entitle one to fly outside the UK as it entails crossing international borders. That's it! From the horses mouth in NY.