How to convert to an indian CPL-MULTI-IFR.

[plocsek]

Hello ,
does anyone know what are the procedures to convert a canadian CPL/MULTI-IR to a indian cpl multi/ir ??
Is it true that india DGCA is more like FAA ??
Would be grateful to get an answer from an indian citizen studying abroad.
thanks...

[divinesoul]

hi

As far as i gather 2 papers to pass,1 composite(Nav+Met) and Regs,Indian Class 1,Indian RT and 3 checkrides.Also you must have atleast 15 hrs PIC in the 6 months preceding the date of submission of appllication for conversion.

Also you need to have Physics and maths as subjects in school 10+2.

You need to get your school leaving certificates verified from the board you have passed from.

Also whatever photocopies you send along with your application for conversion it has to be attested by a Indian gazetted officer.


but there is a lot of paperwork involved i am still trying to find outmore about this.

Will let you know once i have precise info on the paperwork.



Meanwhile any Indian pilots out there who has recently converted his foreign licence please post your views.



Cheers.

[FlyTester]

Nemaste all,

I'm an American engaged to an Indian. I hope to take all those exams and checkrides when I go over for my wedding later this year. I've looked at some of the DGAC website, schedules and forms. Holy Beauracrazy! I'm sure I'm not the only yank who can't understand half of the forms even though they're written in English. Could someone tell me what "school 10+2" equates to in North American terms?

Also, once I've done the Com-Multi-Inst conversion, how do I convert my instructor certification? I found no mention of that on the DGAC site.

Andrew

[haree]

Could someone tell me what "school 10+2" equates to in North American terms?

It just means High school :) In India High school is year 10 , and 2 yrs of Higher secondary/Pre University before you go to college! In short they just require you to have 12 yrs of schooling!

Also, once I've done the Com-Multi-Inst conversion, how do I convert my instructor certification? I found no mention of that on the DGAC site.

I havent heard of anyone converting their CFI/II/MEI ratings in india since there is no clear conversion process. But if you are looking at employment with flight schools in india, try talking to them! They'll 'arrange' for your conversions ;)

Haree

[divinesoul]

For conversion of foreign CPL you need to submit the following:-

Flying Logbook,

FRTOL(Filght Radio Telephony operator's licence,this is issued by the Indian DGCA on the basis of RTR-COP issued by wireless,planning and coordination wing(WPC), Ministry of communications,Govt. of India)
RTR COP(please visit this site for more information,http://www.wpc.dot.gov.in/exam_cop.asp).If you have a common wealth country's RT licence you can convert them to Indian RT without giving any exams in India.

CA-39 (5 yrs)or CA-39 (6 mos) whichever is applicable(these forms u can get from any flying club in India when you are doing the checkrides)

Indian Class 1 Medical cert.

Educational certificates (10th and 12th).one must have maths and physics as subjects.

Board verification of 10+2 certificates.

Application form for the issue of CPL

DGCA Written exam result sheet(For conversion 2 papers to write Nav+MET and Air regulations)

Nationality certificate

Foreign CPL and medical in original

The following should be typed on a seperate sheet of paper(ur flying school letter head) and signed by the CFI of your school mentioning the date of flying,a/c type, a/c registration,
from-to,time,distance covered and name of instructor

-120Nm cross country flying test by night

-250Nm cross country flying test by day in the course of which one full-stop
landing at an aerodrome other than the aerodrome of departure.

-10 solo take-off/landing by night certificate

-300Nm cross-country as PIC in the course of which full stop landings at
two different aerodromes

-50 hrs of 100 Nm X-ctry

-ME flight test report by day and night(form CA-40 to be used.you can download this here http://www.pilotguru.com/images/CA40.pdf)

Photographs alongwith Demand Draft

Good luck.

Remeber you should train on a/c that are available in India or else u will have problems when doing 3 check rides in India.The most readily available types in India are C-152/172 and ME types are Seneca,Partenavia,king air C-90,duchess and there is 1 Piper twin commanche.
If you havent done training on the above said a/cs atleast try to get the endorsement before you come to India.
hope i didnt miss out on anything.
cheers.

[Amflight]

What if you are converting your FAA ATP to a DGCA. What are the additional exams/procedures?

Where can I get the books to study for the same.

[Left Wing]

FAA ATP to a DGCA is easy if you have sign offs from airlines or part 121 operator.

GA FAA ATP is treated as a CPL and will require a full conversion there are NO I repeat NO books you will have to live in India for 1 yrs full time to attend these classes to pass the Indian ATP exam. Only thru the "chosen" grd school inst will you pass your Indian ATP:ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :{ :{ :{ :{ :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Indian DGCA will be the only resason aviation will never achive its full potencial.

[jai6638]

1) What if I needed the to convert my FAA PPL to the Indian PPL? Are the requirements thre same? Three checkrides seem like a lot? What do they cover in three seperate checkrides?

2) Does converting an PPL with instrument rating require addiotional procedures?

3) If I have the FAA RT license, can this be easily converted to local Indian RT license without any exam,etc,etc?

4) I have done all my training in a Piper Warrior ( similar to the Piper Cherokee ) and will now start flying Piper Arrows. Are any of these aircraft available in
India?

5) Is an Indian PPL permanent or does it have to renewed?

6) How is GA in India? If I wanted to fly from Bombay to a town in Rajasthan like Udaipur, would the trip be feasable with regards to procedures,gas,parking,etc? Is there a great risk of my plane getting stolen at the airport on the same night ? ;)

Thanks much.

P.S: I am an Indian citizen and have approx 140 hours total time if it makes any difference..

[santos dumont]

Fully agree with Left Wing regarding preparing for the exam. What he left out thought is that unless you are Indian you need a security clearance before you can pass these tests. Written and Medical not sure, but certainly before you can do any flying in India, which includes your flight test, you need this magical security clearance. The airline that hires you can get that in a month. Some canadian guy who has a PIO (Person of Indian Origin) card (you can get that by marrying an Indian or having an India parent) took 11 months (ELEVEN MONTHS:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: )!!!!:ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :{ :( :( :( :mad: to get it because he applied as an individual. Don't have a PIO ? Forget trying to do it yourself. That's the catch 22 situation in India. You have to either have the Indian license in which case you are sucked up into any airlines of your choice, or have the TR and time on type. Hope this helps.

SD

[divinesoul]

) What if I needed the to convert my FAA PPL to the Indian PPL? Are the requirements thre same? Three checkrides seem like a lot? What do they cover in three seperate checkrides?

When i said 3 check rides(day+night+IR check ride) in my previous post its only for the conversion of foreign CPL with IR endorsement.
Does converting an PPL with instrument rating require addiotional procedures?

What do u mean by "additional procedures".
If I have the FAA RT license, can this be easily converted to local Indian RT license without any exam,etc,etc?

A big No.FAA RT licence cannot be converted to Indian RT.Either get an UK RT licence from the US or come down to India and sit for the RT exams.
I have done all my training in a Piper Warrior ( similar to the Piper Cherokee ) and will now start flying Piper Arrows. Are any of these aircraft available in
India?

No piper warrior available in India.same goes for the Cherokee too.
Is an Indian PPL permanent or does it have to renewed?

Indian PPL has to be renewed every 10 years.
How is GA in India? If I wanted to fly from Bombay to a town in Rajasthan like Udaipur, would the trip be feasable with regards to procedures,gas,parking,etc? Is there a great risk of my plane getting stolen at the airport on the same night ?
GA sucks big time in India.GA is nothing like that in US or any other western country for that matter.Its just because of this that there is a shortage of pilots in India for airline ops.
cheers.

[FlyTester]

Is there a book you can recommend for studying for the Air Regulations exam one would take when converting from an FAA to an Indian license?

Another thread mentioned something about "Mr. Bali's book" but a Google search has turned up nothing to that effect.

[av8r76]

I have been chipping away at the ATP papers and doing fine without joining any ground classes. Grab the GSP's and read them as many times as you can. That's what I did. Nav is done in one attempt and Radio Aids and Met in October. For the air regs, contact any former students from these ground classes and photocopy the sample papers. I found Mr. Bali's book not very helpful. If you're in Delhi give send me a PM. You can borrow the books and the sample papers from me.

Best way to find out EXACTLY what docs are required... contact any flight school in India and they will look at your docs and tell you what's missing.

And find an 'agent' to push your paperwork through. Sounds unreasonable but that's the most efficient and effective way to get what you need.:}

[praveen]

This is pretty good information devinesoul. I have captured the same in a checklist in addition to some of the things I got from some other source in here.

http://pkgrao.tripod.com/pilot-license-conv/

I hope it helps others.

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[divinesoul]

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Hey praveen the above 2 links dont work.

Could u post them again please.

and thanks for sharing.

cheers.

[bad_attitude]

does the 300 NM XC require the straight leg distance to be 300 NM or the total distance to be 300 NM (roundtrip) ?

[divinesoul]

does the 300 NM XC require the straight leg distance to be 300 NM or the total distance to be 300 NM (roundtrip) ?


300 NM is straight leg distance not roundtrip.

[bad_attitude]

thanks mate ... confirmed that through other sources as well.

[hitmanishere]

hey ppl..just a small question..

I was browsing through the DGCA website and found out that 1 PA-28(privately owned) is available in india..and I'm currently rated in PA-28 161.. Does this mean that i dont need a cessna rating?
If so, how am i going to do my check rides??

Any info regarding this would be helpful.

Thanx in advance

[divinesoul]

hey hitman


the pa 28 is owned by govt of haryana and it hasnt got a valid CoA.
So thats a big no for u.U should have looked more closely.

In any case its a govt. a/c and i dont think they will allow u to do checkrides on it even if it had a valid CoA.

Also according to the new conversion flowchart DGCA states no need for check rides in India if u done ur checkrides in an ICAO contracting state within the preceding 6 months of the date of submission of application.
And also the a/c u get checked on should be available in India.

Hope that helps.

cheers.

[hitmanishere]

k..thanx divinesoul.

[rd0408]

hi folks,

as with the above threads.....any idea how one gets the morse code letter (8wpm)!! i have heard u get it with the check rides in India and just want to confirm. also, is Yash air safe to do the rides at. Don't need the Baramati fiasco on my hands after all the effort thus far. thanks.

[praveen]

Not sure why it is showing as *******


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[EKULfreqflyer]

Hey,

The DGCA says tht u need 10+2 math and physics. Now my question to u guys is I took commerce for my 10th and did not do good on the math. for my +2 I took commerce again and no math nor physics(in both cases). What do I do in this case???? But when i went to college I had to take both math and physics and i have good scores in both subjects in College. what do i do now? Is there a way to get around it?

Any tips will be useful.

EKULfreqflyer

[divinesoul]

Hey,
The DGCA says tht u need 10+2 math and physics. Now my question to u guys is I took commerce for my 10th and did not do good on the math. for my +2 I took commerce again and no math nor physics(in both cases). What do I do in this case???? But when i went to college I had to take both math and physics and i have good scores in both subjects in College. what do i do now? Is there a way to get around it?
Any tips will be useful.
EKULfreqflyer
And EKUL i think there is no other option for u but to resit math and physics.I know it sounds stupid but my guess is that DGCA will tell u to sit them.
But dont take my word for it.Try asking DGCA directly.They are most likely going to tell what i have mentioned before.

[shuchim]

hi
r u having or know from where can i have question bank of coversion exam of dgca. i would glad to have your reply.

[nimish18rocks]

hey guys

my recency is about get expired . what all do I need to do get my recency again . I mean i know we need to do 15 hours within 6 months , but what all is included in this ??

[bad_attitude]

LICENSING RULES AND REGULATIONS (http://www.dgca.nic.in/licencing/conver.htm)

figure it out yourself. it ain't rocket science.