Quick CPL(H) question for instructors (UK)
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Quick CPL(H) question for instructors (UK)
Please bear with me, I'm trying to find a definitive answer to this. For me, the extracts below shows me that the CAA appear to not be able to differentiate it's arse from it's elbow, or it knows exactly what it's doing and doesn't give a toss.
In theory, if you have a CPL(H) and therefore require a Class 1 medical, you can "fail" the medical with colour vision deficiencies. However, the CAA will grant a licence with restrictions, as per:
"Class 1 applicants who fail advanced colour vision testing can request individual assessment by the Authority under MED.B.001 (“issued by the Licensing Authority”) and consideration will be given to restriction of privileges to “valid by day only” and “no public Commercial Air Transport” (VCL + SSL-ILA + SSL-NCAT)."
HOWEVER!
In order to obtain a CPL(H) in the first place you must compelte the CPL(H) training and pass the assessments/exams. So therefore must complete the following:
"Total flying training - at least 135 hours, including all progress tests, of which 5 hours may be instrument ground time If you hold an ICAO compliant PPL(H), 50% of the hours flown can be credited, up to a maximum of 40 hours, of which up to 20 hours can be dual instruction if you have a helicopter night rating, or 50 hours, of which up to 25 hours may be dual instruction,
The total flying training requirement (above) must include the following components:
Dual instruction
Visual instruction
Instrument instruction
MCC
PIC
Cross-country flying
Night flying
Instrument time"
This requirement includes the 5 hours of night flying.
So my question to instructors is:
Is there any form of dispensation available to allow completion of the CPL(H) but not complete the Night Flying element of the CPL(H), allowing the issuing of a restricted CPL(H) as per the CAA recommendations?
If the answer to the above question is "no". Then I don't see why the CAA would include the option for restrictions on a CPL(H) licence, due to colour vision issues, if you can't obtain a CPL(H) (or even do the course) in the first place!
In theory, if you have a CPL(H) and therefore require a Class 1 medical, you can "fail" the medical with colour vision deficiencies. However, the CAA will grant a licence with restrictions, as per:
"Class 1 applicants who fail advanced colour vision testing can request individual assessment by the Authority under MED.B.001 (“issued by the Licensing Authority”) and consideration will be given to restriction of privileges to “valid by day only” and “no public Commercial Air Transport” (VCL + SSL-ILA + SSL-NCAT)."
HOWEVER!
In order to obtain a CPL(H) in the first place you must compelte the CPL(H) training and pass the assessments/exams. So therefore must complete the following:
"Total flying training - at least 135 hours, including all progress tests, of which 5 hours may be instrument ground time If you hold an ICAO compliant PPL(H), 50% of the hours flown can be credited, up to a maximum of 40 hours, of which up to 20 hours can be dual instruction if you have a helicopter night rating, or 50 hours, of which up to 25 hours may be dual instruction,
The total flying training requirement (above) must include the following components:
Dual instruction
Visual instruction
Instrument instruction
MCC
PIC
Cross-country flying
Night flying
Instrument time"
This requirement includes the 5 hours of night flying.
So my question to instructors is:
Is there any form of dispensation available to allow completion of the CPL(H) but not complete the Night Flying element of the CPL(H), allowing the issuing of a restricted CPL(H) as per the CAA recommendations?
If the answer to the above question is "no". Then I don't see why the CAA would include the option for restrictions on a CPL(H) licence, due to colour vision issues, if you can't obtain a CPL(H) (or even do the course) in the first place!
You may pass an initial Class one medical , go on and successfully pass the skills test and be awarded a CPL H.
The next year you may fail the Class 1 medical on colour deficiency , thus giving you a restricted medical ...thus a restricted CPL H.....
The next year you may fail the Class 1 medical on colour deficiency , thus giving you a restricted medical ...thus a restricted CPL H.....
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This is a bit ridiculous though. So, those found with a colour deficiency who hold an existing CPL(H) can continue to operate (albeit in a restricted capacity), but someone who has exactly the same medical results cannot obtain a CPL(H) in the first place?
That's quite distinctly discriminatory. Unless, of course, the answer to my question is "Yes", and that a CPL(H) can still be obtained with a restricted medical.
That's quite distinctly discriminatory. Unless, of course, the answer to my question is "Yes", and that a CPL(H) can still be obtained with a restricted medical.
its not discriminatory , as you have been awarded the license . To get the licence you need to pass an initial medical......your medical standards can reduce over time, but there is a limit .
Just get a PPL ?
Just get a PPL ?
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Then I don't see why the CAA would include the option for restrictions on a CPL(H) licence, due to colour vision issues, if you can't obtain a CPL(H) (or even do the course) in the first place!
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Things may have changed a bit, but the CAA allowed me a CPL(A) despite having a restricted Class 1 medical due CVD and no night qualification/rating. I am restricted to day only and no public transport, but these restrictions are on my medical, not the licence.
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Convinced by what?
I thought my question was quite a straightforward one. Can the CPL(H) be completed without doing the night flying element of the course?
Surely it's a straightforward yes or no answer by somone who teaches CPL(H)?
I thought my question was quite a straightforward one. Can the CPL(H) be completed without doing the night flying element of the course?
Surely it's a straightforward yes or no answer by somone who teaches CPL(H)?
The answer is no, you cannot complete a CPL(H) course without the 5 hours of night flying unless you already hold a night rating.
As Whopity has already indicated, the UK CAA does not have the power to exempt anyone from the Regulation
Appendix 3 K. to Part-FCL, para 10
Applicants without a night rating helicopter shall be given additionally at least 5 hours night flight instruction comprising 3 hours of dual instruction including at least 1 hour of cross-country navigation and 5 solo night circuits. Each circuit shall include a take-off and a landing.
Applicants without a night rating helicopter shall be given additionally at least 5 hours night flight instruction comprising 3 hours of dual instruction including at least 1 hour of cross-country navigation and 5 solo night circuits. Each circuit shall include a take-off and a landing.
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