Doing the Instrument Rating before a CPL on a Modular course
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Doing the Instrument Rating before a CPL on a Modular course
The CPL requires 150 hours TT before starting, and the test cannot be taken before 200 hours TT inc. 100 PIC.
The IR requires 50 hours xcountry to start. Assuming for a MEIR, 70 hours PIC are required before doing the MEP Rating.
What are people's experiences of doing the MEP and IR first, then finishing off the CPL at the end ?
Saves people boring round the skies doing 100 hours PIC and then having to have poor habit to overcome when they finally start a CPL. Should be possible to do the whole thing in 215 hours rather than 245 ?
Or is it best to stick to the usual CPL/MEP/IR Route ?
The IR requires 50 hours xcountry to start. Assuming for a MEIR, 70 hours PIC are required before doing the MEP Rating.
What are people's experiences of doing the MEP and IR first, then finishing off the CPL at the end ?
Saves people boring round the skies doing 100 hours PIC and then having to have poor habit to overcome when they finally start a CPL. Should be possible to do the whole thing in 215 hours rather than 245 ?
Or is it best to stick to the usual CPL/MEP/IR Route ?
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Been recommending this for certain students for the last couple of years.
Works for most, but not all have the smarts at that stage to handle the IR at that point in their flying.
If their hour building to that point is structured and reasonably complex they tend to do OK. If it's 'nav' to the next field down the line, coffee and return hour building I find they struggle.
Some require the structure and regimen that the CPL course gives to be able to attempt instrument flying.
As usual, so many factors to give a definitive yes or no answer.
Works for most, but not all have the smarts at that stage to handle the IR at that point in their flying.
If their hour building to that point is structured and reasonably complex they tend to do OK. If it's 'nav' to the next field down the line, coffee and return hour building I find they struggle.
Some require the structure and regimen that the CPL course gives to be able to attempt instrument flying.
As usual, so many factors to give a definitive yes or no answer.
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Now that we have cost sharing and Wingly you can build your Navigation hours for £1 per flight! Fill your Boots.
CTC based their modular course on the method you describe, mainly for geographic reasons, but it proved very successful.
CTC based their modular course on the method you describe, mainly for geographic reasons, but it proved very successful.
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You can take the courses in (almost) any order you like.
I took the IR before I did the CPL.
My obscure path was in the following order:
PPL, EASA IR-theory, SE-IR, EASA ATPL-theory, FI, ME-IR, CPL.
Maybe not that clever money wise, but a lot of fun. It was never my intention to get a CPL or do any commercial flying at all. My objective was getting an FI (and that required ATPL or CPL theory at the time). But once I got all that I just took the CPL course so that my ATPL theory would not run out. It also gave me the advantage of being able to teach on an FTO (in those days it required CPL. Not sure if that is still the case for ATO).
If you choose to do (ME)IR before CPL, just notice that the IR is by far the most difficult of all the licenses/ratings. Its much more difficult to fly IR than fly "CPL". Once you have flown IR, the CPL will be a walk in the park.
I took the IR before I did the CPL.
My obscure path was in the following order:
PPL, EASA IR-theory, SE-IR, EASA ATPL-theory, FI, ME-IR, CPL.
Maybe not that clever money wise, but a lot of fun. It was never my intention to get a CPL or do any commercial flying at all. My objective was getting an FI (and that required ATPL or CPL theory at the time). But once I got all that I just took the CPL course so that my ATPL theory would not run out. It also gave me the advantage of being able to teach on an FTO (in those days it required CPL. Not sure if that is still the case for ATO).
If you choose to do (ME)IR before CPL, just notice that the IR is by far the most difficult of all the licenses/ratings. Its much more difficult to fly IR than fly "CPL". Once you have flown IR, the CPL will be a walk in the park.
The route I took was;
Structured hour building (C152/PA-28)
MEP (training only) (PA-34)
IR & test (PA-34)
MEP test (PA-34)
CPL (PA-28R)
It was a bit of a jump from a PA-28 to a PA-34 for the initial MEP training but then everyone felt the same. Then got to build experience on the PA-34 during the IR before doing the MEP test.
CPL felt a breeze after the IR/MEP and was much more relaxing. Some did the CPL in the PA-34 = more multi hours.
My structured hour building helped the CPL but not really the IR/MEP.
Structured hour building (C152/PA-28)
MEP (training only) (PA-34)
IR & test (PA-34)
MEP test (PA-34)
CPL (PA-28R)
It was a bit of a jump from a PA-28 to a PA-34 for the initial MEP training but then everyone felt the same. Then got to build experience on the PA-34 during the IR before doing the MEP test.
CPL felt a breeze after the IR/MEP and was much more relaxing. Some did the CPL in the PA-34 = more multi hours.
My structured hour building helped the CPL but not really the IR/MEP.
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No, I did my MEP CRST after my MEIR skills test. I believe you just have to have done the mandatory MEP training (5/6 hrs VFR?) before the skills test. Am sure bose can advise.
No, I did my MEP CRST after my MEIR skills test. I believe you just have to have done the mandatory MEP training (5/6 hrs VFR?) before the skills test. Am sure bose can advise.
The requirement is to have completed the multi-engine training specified in Subpart H of Part-FCL prior to commencing the flight training for the IR(A) course. There is no requirement to have passed the MEP Class Rating skill test. [Appendix 6A to Part-FCL, para 2. refers]
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Two senior ex PIK BAe flying college instructors (cygnet 37 & 38 as was) conduct modular training for the CPL/IR at FTE.
The IR phase & test is completed before the CPL flying, which gains 10 hours credit.
Seems to work well. Followed by the 9 session MCC/JOC on the B737-800 sim.
The better customers are now ideally placed for a job as a FO.
The IR phase & test is completed before the CPL flying, which gains 10 hours credit.
Seems to work well. Followed by the 9 session MCC/JOC on the B737-800 sim.
The better customers are now ideally placed for a job as a FO.
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Is this standard at FTE for Modular ?
Since the MEP Rating needs 70 PIC to start, then training for the MEP/IR can start at 60 hours after the PPL (assuming 10 hours PiC as part of the PPL).
Is this best so that someone does not get too much out of "training mode" ?
Since the MEP Rating needs 70 PIC to start, then training for the MEP/IR can start at 60 hours after the PPL (assuming 10 hours PiC as part of the PPL).
Is this best so that someone does not get too much out of "training mode" ?
