IR Rating Renewal help

[pilotmike7]

Hi Guys,

I hope that with this being the instructor and examiner page you maybe able to help as I have had little luck with the UK CAA.

I hold a UK CPL CAA EASA licence but my IR rating has expired.

My rating expired as follows - SEIR November 2010 and my MEIR May 2010.

I was under the impression that as long as I renewed my IR rating within 7 years of the expiry my ATPL credits would stay valid and I could renew the IR.

I know EASA have stipulated a minimum of 3 training sessions if expired a certain period of time etc.

Upon contacting flight schools everyone has different answers and some are stating I need to do a complete IR course again along with my ATPL ground school!

If anyone could clarify I would really appreciate it as I have been hitting brick walls with this.

[portsharbourflyer]

By the dates you have given then you have not exceeded seven years yet, but you are leaving it very close. So I believe your ATPL exam passes are still valid, the single engine IR still keeps that active, so that gives you until Nov 2017.

The thing about doing the entire rating again after three years was only a recommendation and it is the discretion of the ATO what training you need to do; though over 6 years you can't dispute the need to do more than the three sessions.

Well any decent school would suggest you do one or two training flights to see where your level is and derive a training plan from there, I hate to say it but over 6 years then the amount of training may not be insignificant.

[Whopity]

AMC1 FCL.625(c) IR — Validity, revalidation and renewal

(2) the amount of time lapsed since the expiry of the validity period of the rating. The amount of training needed to reach the desired level of proficiency should increase with the time lapsed. In some cases, after evaluating the pilot, and when the time lapsed is very limited (less than 3 months), the ATO may even determine that no further refresher training is necessary. The following may be taken as guidance when determining the needs of the applicant:
(i) expiry for a period shorter than 3 months: no supplementary requirements;
(ii) expiry for longer than 3 months but shorter than 1 year: a minimum of one training session;
(iii) expiry for longer than 1 year but shorter than 7 years: a minimum of three training sessions;
(iv) expiry for longer than 7 years: the applicant should undergo the full training course for the issue of the IR.

[BillieBob]

I know EASA have stipulated a minimum of 3 training sessions if expired a certain period of time etc.

EASA have not stipulated anything, they have simply offered some optional guidance that has caused more trouble than it's worth. A proposed amendment to the AMCs, contained in NPA 2016-16 removes the guidance and changes the wording to emphasise that the amount of training is entirely at the discretion of the ATO.
Any organisation that offers a training course without conducting any kind of assessment of current ability is clearly incompetent or worse and should be avoided.

[Duchess_Driver]

And remember, the key wording in all of this is should - not must!