EASA MEP (and IR/CPL), from FAA equivalent...

[sapperkenno]

I have a current FAA commercial and instrument, for SEP and MEP. I also have a UK issued EASA PPL(A), with FI rating, IR(R) and class one medical and ATPL exams passed.

I have just started this week at a UK ATO to "convert" this and come away at the end with an EASA CPL/MEIR... Oh, and let's not forget an MCC.

I have almost 2000hrs total, 60 odd "actual instrument" as well as a further 60 or so "simulated instrument", but not much multi-engine time - less than 17 total and only about 5 hours as PIC of multi-engine.

So reading the relevant EASA claptrap, the plan of attack is a competency based IR, training on an FNPT2 and some hours in a multi, with the IR test on a multi. All well and good.

And CPL wise, a 7 hour course (as over 1000hrs TT) and skills test... Where I need some help, is as far as the MEP course/test. As I don't have 100 hours PIC on a third-party ICAO licence for MEP, then I need to do a full course and test, which is fair enough. What I was hoping is that the 7 hours training towards CPL would/could include this and kill two birds with one stone, but it seems that this isn't the case, and I will in fact need both a 6 hour MEP training course and test, as well as a 7 hour CPL course.

So the MEP training and CPL training must be two separate things. Am I correct in this assumption? Obviously at the eye watering costs involved, and providing I'm at the standard, I wouldn't want to forking out for an extra 6 or 7 hours if I didn't have to!

Help greatly appreciated as always. Just wondered if anyone has come across similar before, in recent times with the EASA reg's as they stand at present.

Thanks and regards,

Spr K

[felixflyer]

As far as I understood it, the CPL, being a Licence can be done in a single and the MEP, being a rating, can be added to it as you would a PPL.

I never saw the point in doing the CPL in a multi so maybe I am wrong but to do that would likely cost more than doing the MEP rating separately to the CPL in a single wouldn't it?

Unless you have access to a multi engined aeroplane at a good rate, in which case I can understand it.

[Mickey Kaye]

A bit out of my depth here but can't you do a 7 hour CPL course and if you do it in an MEP then you will be issued a CPL and an MEP rating.

Then a CBIR to finish.

Maybe someone with a bit more knowledge could confirm

[Whopity]

FCL305.CPL

(b) Conditions. An applicant for the issue of a CPL shall have fulfilled the requirements for the class or type rating of the aircraft used in the skill test.

2. Before commencing a CPL(A) modular course an applicant shall be the holder of a PPL(A) issued in accordance with Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention.
3. Before commencing the flight training the applicant shall:
(a) have completed 150 hours flight time;
(b) have complied with the prerequisites for the issue of a class or type rating for multi-engine aeroplanes in accordance with Subpart H, if a multi-engine aeroplane is to be used on the skill test.

You could do the CPL on a Single with VP prop and Retractable gear then add the ME or do the ME Course and then take the CPL test in the ME.
You cannot count the ME Class rating as part of the CPL Training. This was allowed by the UK before EASA.

[sapperkenno]

was allowed by the UK before EASA

Which is what a few old boys had being telling me, who didn't know about the "new" EASA rules.
So I'll work through MEP, and CBIR (on ME) then do the CPL last (which has to be on a multi as they don't have a suitable single, which other than cost isn't a massive problem.)
Just would have been nice to combine the MEP/CPL.

Thanks again for your help.

[Edgington]

Which is what a few old boys had being telling me, who didn't know about the "new" EASA rules

It's interpretation, there are EASA countries who combine the CPL/MEP within the cpl syllabus. EASA all the same rules but everyone interprets them differently