Returning to Instructing

[wingbar]

Hi there,

I previously held an FI(R) back in 2006 and wondered if anybody could tell me if this can be revived?
If so, what kind of mandatory training would be required to bring this rating back? I seem to remember a seminar being one of the requirements?

Any help much appreciated!

Thanks

WB

[Duchess_Driver]

Yes, seminar is one and AOC is the other.

Training as required to bring you up to standard to pass the AOC. Can't find any "minimum" time stated here.

If it's still on your ratings page (unlikely after such a period) the examiner completing the AOC can add the rating there and then. If it has been removed and is on the back then it needs to go back to the competent authority for auctioning.

[arcdu]

Can anyone explain the requirements to me, as I don't understand the reasoning behind them.

I am also thinking of renewing my FI rating, but as there is now a requirement for training to pass the test, which presumably means being able to answer any theory question the FIE chooses to ask, why is it a requirement to attend a seminar? If the seminar teaches you anything that you actually need to know should it not have been covered in the training prior to the renewal test?

[Happy Wanderer]

If your FI certificate (it's no longer a rating in EASA-speak) has expired, you need to (a) undertake an Assessment of Competence (test) with an FIE after having completed an unspecified amount of refresher training at an ATO, and (b) attend an FI Referesher Seminar. You obviously cannot rely on the third option which would be available and apply if you were revalidating your certificate, namely 50 hours of flight instruction during the period of validity.

There is no pre-course work or specific pre-requisites to attending a refresher seminar; we had one chap (an airline pilot) on our seminar last week who was renewing his FI cert after 29 years out. It's not a pass/fail event - in essence your attendance is one half of the renewal process. The Q&As you refer to are nothing to do with the seminar - they form part of the 'Theoretical Knowledge Oral' element of the Assessment of Competence (test), comprising the long brief lecture and separate questions. The seminar is essentially a platform to bring everyone (current or otherwise) up to speed with some of the recent changes under EASA and ad-hoc sessions covering anything from learning styles, avoiding airspeed infringments, first solo considerations and more besides. It doesn't prepare you for the Q&As or the test as a whole.

For more info on the renewal requirements, EASA Part-FCL Subpart J, associated GM and AMC (notably FCL 920, 930, 935 and 940) refers. Also CAP804 Section 4 Part J (Instructors) and the CAA Standards Document 10.

Appendix 5 of the Standards Doc contains the Question Bank for the theoretical knowledge elements of the Asessment of Competence, some 250 questions (incl some ME and Aerobatics questions)!! NB the answers aren't included!!

HW

[wingbar]

Hi everyone,

Thank you for coming back, all very useful information.
It does indeed look like a seminar then and some additional training before a flight test.

Any further advice or information is very welcome.

Thanks

WB

[nick14]

There are some changes brewing that will mandate some training after the certificate has lapsed by more than 3 years but not due until October time this year I believe.

Probably best get it done before that just incase the changes make it harder to renew.

[Happy Wanderer]

Got any sources on that Nick?

HW

[ifitaintboeing]

EASA NPA 2014-29(A). Page 85 under FCL.940.FI(c)(2). You've still got time to comment...

https://easa.europa.eu/system/files/...%20%28A%29.pdf

ifitaint...

[nick14]

I urge all of my GA colleagues to register and comment on these changes as many will affect our privileges and could indeed make it worse for GA. read the NPA carefully and submit your comments to try and avoid more regulation.

[Happy Wanderer]

If I've read this right (p85, FI Revalidation and Renewal) does this spell the end for the Refresher Seminar, at least for Revalidation? May be a case of semantics and interpretation, but references to 'seminar' are being deleted and replaced by 'receive training at an ATO'.

HW

[BillieBob]

Read the associated AMC1 FCL.940.FI:

The refresher training for the revalidation of the FI and IRI certificate should be undertaken as a seminar covering the following items:

[NPA 2014-29(B), page 13 et seq]

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