FAA instruction for EASA PPL

[dobbin1]

I have a new student who has trained toward a PPL in the US, but who did not take the flight test. My initial understanding was that the training was done by JAR qualified instructors, but looking through her log book the instructor numbers are all in the US format. Some of the exercises are FAA PPL as well (turns around a point etc) so I am not sure if she was actually training toward a JAR or FAA PPL.

My belief is that training by a ICAO (I.e FAA) flight instructor can be credited toward an EASA PPL, but I have been unable to find anything in CAP 804 that covers these circumstances. Can anyone point me in the correct direction?

Thanks

[BigGrecian]

My initial understanding was that the training was done by JAR qualified instructors,

I assume you mean EASA qualified

If it was an EASA school then you are meant to request the records from the previous ATO. Lots of questions to be asked as previous students have made me have distrust students coming from this scenario

• Where are your records? - although previously under JAA and continues for must NAAs the ATO requests previous records directly from the previous ATO
• Where is the logbook stamp by the ATO?
• Is the overseas ATO EASA approved : FCL Organisations Approvals | EASA

If his story is true then you won't have any problems.

If they don't have a licence then Article 8 conversion doesn't apply - so then it is under Credits From Previous Training as defined in your ATO's training manual.

Given that even an Article 8 conversion required quite large amount of training - most of the time very little credit can be given unless you've got previous records from the EASA ATO.

My belief is that training by a ICAO (I.e FAA) flight instructor can be credited toward an EASA PPL, but I have been unable to find anything in CAP 804 that covers these circumstances. Can anyone point me in the correct direction?

I don't agree with the above. FCL.210.A doesn't have a reduction and I don't know of any AMC. The FARs have a regulation like that but no such thing under EASA that I've ever heard of or used.

My opinion - get the real story from the HT of the ATO he previously trained at. If not EASA, then I would follow the syllabus and hope they complete in less hours. Most don't though.

[Whopity]

You might find this document of interest IN 2013/152

[ifitaintboeing]

I would have though FCL.035(a)(2)(i) is more applicable.

ifitaint...

[BigGrecian]

FCL.035(a)(2)(i) is more applicable.

That only applies to the number of hours required as minimum for licence issue though.

It does not apply to the training requirements, that would come under FCL.210.A and the training manual.

For example under Para B - if an applicant holds an ICAO CPL that doesn't exempt them from the PPL Theory exams - so why does it cover flight time?

[dobbin1]

I have obtained a few more details. The first 20 or so hours of training were through Oxford Aviation as part of their ATPL programme. The training took place in Arizona in 2007. The training was apparently following the FAA PPL syllabus The remaining US training took place at different school, not apparently affiliated to any European organisation and again following the FAA PPL syllabus.

I have contacted both organisations and asked them if their training was toward the JAA or FAA PPL, and if any of the instructors were dual qualified.

Am I correct to assume that instruction given by a US instructor not qualified as a JAA instructor cannot be credited toward the EASA PPL ? FCL035 does not seem helpful in this respect.

[BigGrecian]

Am I correct to assume that instruction given by a US instructor not qualified as a JAA instructor cannot be credited toward the EASA PPL ? FCL035 does not seem helpful in this respect.

Yes - cannot count towards the training.

Hours count towards total licence issue requirements though.