Flying Instructors & ExaminersA place for instructors to communicate with one another because some of them get a bit tired of the attitude that instructing is the lowest form of aviation, as seems to prevail on some of the other forums!
How do FIs build the multi engine PIC time to move onto MEIR instructing? Is everybody doing it ex-airlines or air taxi/biz jet? Even if people work up through an organisation from SE CPL say they must get the 30hrs MEP somehow?
This has been an issue for some time and is likely to get worse; even the ex military guys don't have 30 hours MEP. Add to that, the 200 hours IFR needed before you can qualify to teach instruments and we have a potential shortage of commercial instructors. The problem has been staring us in the face for ages but nobody in the regulatory world seems to have noticed! Probably because they are not pilots or instructors!
Don't forget that 15 hrs PIC have to be done in the 12 months preceding the application! That's the hard bit if your self funding the hours or blagging the odd flight
It used to be part of the pre course requirements for MEP CRI.
I don't have a clue if its the same under EASA.
And when I looked into it, it had to be MEP time the fact you had flown 900 hours in the previous 12 months in a manual turbo prop didn't matter. So even if your highly experenced twin prop driver you still have the issue with
A) getting solo B) finding someone willing to rent you a twin C) having enough hours to be insured solo/as PIC (it was 50 hours mep when I looked) D) having a valid rating because it appears now you have to do the course again if its been more than 7 years.
LASORS states (for the addition of MEP to an existing FI(A)):
1) Hold a valid MEP rating 2) Have 500 hours total time 3) Have had the supervisory restrction removed from FI(A) 4) 30 hours PIC on MEP (Not including SPIC) 5) COmplete an approved course 6) Pass a skill test
The only change if for a CRI is that if they want to extend to a different class they need 10 hours on type in the preceding 12 months.
So I read it that an FI(A) who has 30 hours on twins PIC can do the course. I know there used to be a recency requirement about 10 years ago but I don't think it exists now.
I dont think anything changes for this under EASA an its ever-changing implementation date...
Regarding the 30 hour requirement for MEP class, can we count PICUS time? I know that it stipulates SPIC is not allowable, but nothing is mentioned about PICUS.
One could argue that the requirements are there for a reason.
It is interesting that SPIC is allowed as part of the experience required to gain a CPL and to become an FI, but it is not acceptable to add the CRI(ME) to an FI rating. This was an illogical UK ruling made by an administrator, there was no safety case to justify it. Essentially, it only applies to graduates of integrated courses, but as its not included in Part FCL, it will be interesting to see if it survives.
Don't forget that 15 hrs PIC have to be done in the 12 months preceding the application!
There is no such requirement under either JAR-FCL 1 or Part-FCL
The more I read Part-FCL the more I get confused, but anyway.....
FI to upgrade to MEP = "FCL 905.FI h) (1)"
Which says they must meet the training course prerequisits in "FCL 915.CRI a)" which is 500hrs TT and 30hrs MEP PIC, and of course do the CRI training course listed in "FCL 930.CRI".
However the privileges and conditions of the CRI are listed in "FCL 905.CRI" and paragraph "b)" mentions the 15hrs in 12 months to be able to extend privileges onto other classes/types.
Those are the privileges of the CRI (stand alone). Whilst the FI has to meet the requirement of completing the CRI Course to add the ME privileges to the FI rating, he is not restricted by the privileges in "FCL 905.CRI" but enjoys the privileges stated in FCL.905.FI FI — Privileges and conditions
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(3) in addition:
(i) for multi-engine aeroplanes, met the requirements for the issue of a CRI certificate;
Those are the privileges of the CRI (stand alone). Whilst the FI has to meet the requirement of completing the CRI Course to add the ME privileges to the FI rating, he is not restricted by the privileges in "FCL 905.CRI" but enjoys the privileges stated in FCL.905.FI FI — Privileges and conditions
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(3) in addition:
(i) for multi-engine aeroplanes, met the requirements for the issue of a CRI certificate;
Don't mix the Mud from different pots!
Yep i'm aware of the different pots....but I was under the impression that when an FI upgraded to be able to teach MEPs they actually were getting a CRI rating and thus are bound by its privileges and conditions? Maybe a friendly ME FI can look on their licence and let us know?
Hi Smithgd, I am friendly (most of the time) and just had a look at my licence. It says CRI ME and it is separate from the FI.
FI's can train people towards a license, while CRI's train people who already have a license towards an endorsement on their license. Thus, there is no such thing as an ME FI (I'm nitpicking a little bit, I know )
I know of several people who are not FI's but CRI ME (or IRI), so it is two different things really. Of course, the most normal thing is to progress from being an FI to IRI to CRI ME and so forth..
As for those valuable 30 hrs of MEP, it can be a struggle. I did quite a few years of single engine instructing before doing some aerial work in a twin for a summer and ended up with about 100 h MEP PIC.
When I did mine a few years ago they just gave me a CRI ME. My FI just says PPL, CPL and Night in the comments column. I was also given a seperate IRI.
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I did have the qualification pre JAR and CRI ratings.
As did I, some really weird translations into JAR I think!
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