The IMC Rating carries on.... - Page 2

Whopity · 31st May 2012, 10:19

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We also that a suitably qualified CRE(A) should be empowered to conduct proficiency checks

Surely, a CRE/IRR is actually the "IRE" referred to in the NPA. Virtually all SP IRs are currently revalidated by CREs

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FCL.1005.CRE CRE — Privileges
The privileges of a CRE are to conduct, for single-pilot aeroplanes, except for single-pilot high performance complex aeroplanes:
(a) skill tests for the issue of class and type ratings;
(b) proficiency checks for:
(1) revalidation or renewal of class and type ratings;
(2) revalidation and renewal of IRs, provided that the CRE complies with the requirements in FCL.1010.IRE(a).

With all the associated costs!

BEagle · 31st May 2012, 16:50

Our proposal is that a CRE conducting EIR revalidations/renewals would need to meet simpler requirements than those specified in FCL.1010.IRE(a).

The requirement for the CRE to have 2000 hrs flight time is wholly disproportionate for merely assessing EIR proficiency checks.

ifitaintboeing · 31st May 2012, 17:21

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AOPA(UK) considers that the limited IFR privileges of the EIR can be adequately assessed by an FE(A) who holds an IRI(A) certificate and do not require specific assessment by an IRE(A).

The problem with the EIR is that you cannot instruct/examine for a rating which you don't hold. There are a lot of instructors using IMC privileges, without the need for a IR (SPA).

I agree that these privileges should be contained within the FE (A). However, a FE (A) with a IR (R) / IMC will not hold the privileges to instruct/examine for the EIR in any case - they will need either a IR (SPA) or a EIR themselves (!).

ifitaint...

BEagle · 31st May 2012, 19:37

Correct - the CRE proposal refers to the EIR and has no connection with national proposals for IR(R) instructors / examiners, which are presently sub rosa. We are not proposing that an FE/CRE/TRE who holds no instrument qualification other than the IMC Rating / IR(R) should be able to conduct EIR proficiency checks.

The IR includes all EIR privileges, so a CRE with a full IRI certificate would indeed hold the relevant qualifications.

peterh337 · 31st May 2012, 20:44

Not that I have a particular axe to grind on this one but one thing which the original proposers of the CBM IR were keen to maintain was the final skills test being to the same standard as the existing ICAO IR IRT.

This was to avoid creating a "second class IR" which would then be denied access to e.g. certain airspace classes.

OTOH, the CBM IR will surely become the default IR path for ATPL cadets, so doesn't that make the "CAAFU IRT" skills test redundant anyway?

AVRO13 · 6th Jun 2012, 21:57

Hi guys, can anyone confirm the last date for applications for the issue of the IMC rating. I cannot find the 17Sept as the final date in any docs.

mrmum · 6th Jun 2012, 22:24

There probably isn't one, if we count the IR(R) and IMCr as the same thing, or if there is it's 8th April 2014.
See here:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2330/Revis...2012%20_v3.pdf
and here, page 27:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2330/Trans...0Change_v3.pdf

BEagle · 7th Jun 2012, 08:03

Who on earth are 'CAAFU'?

Meikleour · 7th Jun 2012, 08:25

CAAFU was the name of the old CAA flying Unit at Stansted who would conduct IR tests on their HS125s (later on a sim) IRE/TRE candidates used to do their upgrade course with them before that all moved in-house with the individual airlines.

Whopity · 7th Jun 2012, 10:22

CAAFU ceased to exist in the early 90s!

Meikleour · 7th Jun 2012, 11:57

Oh dear! Now I am showing my age.....................

bookworm · 8th Jun 2012, 15:44

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Who on earth are 'CAAFU'?

Point taken of course, but for those who don't know of CAFU, some wonderful photos here.

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