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Class Rating Instructor Training
I was wondering if there is a list of training schools which offer training towards the CRI qualification. I am a CPL(A) (but not a FI) holder and the plan is to instruct on the Cessna Caravan. I have 900 hours on the Caravan plus all the other pre course qualifications.
Is there a list somewhere, or do you know where the training can be done? I've spoken to a couple of schools and been offered rather blank looks.
Any ideas?
Is there a list somewhere, or do you know where the training can be done? I've spoken to a couple of schools and been offered rather blank looks.
Any ideas?
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The list is here http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/pld%20s...ument30v30.pdf
Not all FIC providers offer the CRI option and its unlikely you will find anyone qualified to do it on the Caravan. Try ONTRACK AVIATION LIMITED
The list is here http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/pld%20s...ument30v30.pdf
Not all FIC providers offer the CRI option and its unlikely you will find anyone qualified to do it on the Caravan. Try ONTRACK AVIATION LIMITED
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Well done Mods for being overzealous and heavy handed by deleting my thread on Private Flying offering my services FREE of CHARGE as a CRI on the other forum.
Get over it guys!
Get over it guys!
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I can also highly recommend OnTrack at Wellesbourne. I have done all of my Instructor and Examiner courses with them over the years.
A first class experience taught by vastly experienced people and a friendly environment. They also only do professional level courses and are not a PPL sausage factory.
A first class experience taught by vastly experienced people and a friendly environment. They also only do professional level courses and are not a PPL sausage factory.
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You may do anything other than ab-initio training and training for the night rating. You may do differences training such as turbo, retract, wobbly prop, tailwheel, SLPC, Glass, pressurisation. You may do a CRE ME and teach multi engine.
If you do an IRI course you may teach for the IMC and the IR. If you have the appropriate type ratings you may teach for the single engine turbine rating and any SPA multi engine turbine ratings.
With enough experience you may become a Class Rating Examiner and examiner for anything you hold on your licence, SEP, MEP, SET, MET etc. However if doing a CRI on a PPL you won't be able to as you need to hold or have held a professional licence.
A CRI may also do training towards a class rating, for example someone who hold a ML rating and wishes to add a SEP or SSEA or vice versa.
If you do an IRI course you may teach for the IMC and the IR. If you have the appropriate type ratings you may teach for the single engine turbine rating and any SPA multi engine turbine ratings.
With enough experience you may become a Class Rating Examiner and examiner for anything you hold on your licence, SEP, MEP, SET, MET etc. However if doing a CRI on a PPL you won't be able to as you need to hold or have held a professional licence.
A CRI may also do training towards a class rating, for example someone who hold a ML rating and wishes to add a SEP or SSEA or vice versa.
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What sort of knowledge level should a CRI student be expected to have prior to starting the course?
Is it a case of revising your 'Trevor Thom' books from your PPL days, or should you get copies of CPL/ATPL books and reach CPL knowledge level?
Is it a case of revising your 'Trevor Thom' books from your PPL days, or should you get copies of CPL/ATPL books and reach CPL knowledge level?
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A CRI may also do training towards a class rating, for example someone who hold a ML rating and wishes to add a SEP or SSEA or vice versa.
A JAR-FCL CRI can only provide training in SEP to a person who holds a JAR-FCL licence.
If you have the appropriate type ratings you may teach for the single engine turbine rating and any SPA multi engine turbine ratings.
I recomend that JAR-FCL is the first thing that should be read. Particular attention should be made to the requirements that every CRI has to meet - (experience, training and test) before being able to teach on another type or class.
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DFC,
You're wrong with the above, since the SEP rating includes privileges relating to microlights.
I have written confirmation from the CAA that a CRI can provide training on microlight aircraft within the privileges of their class rating, since SEP includes microlights. See also LASORS section F.
In summary a CRI can complete SSEA to Microlight, or Microlight to SSEA or indeed Microlight to SEP, since it is CLASS RATING instruction.
ATB,
ifitaint...
If by "ML" you mean microlight then the above is incorrect.
A JAR-FCL CRI can only provide training in SEP to a person who holds a JAR-FCL licence.
A JAR-FCL CRI can only provide training in SEP to a person who holds a JAR-FCL licence.
I have written confirmation from the CAA that a CRI can provide training on microlight aircraft within the privileges of their class rating, since SEP includes microlights. See also LASORS section F.
In summary a CRI can complete SSEA to Microlight, or Microlight to SSEA or indeed Microlight to SEP, since it is CLASS RATING instruction.
ATB,
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ifitaintboeing,
You are correct that in the UK, the UKCAA permits instructors who hold JAR-FCL licenses and who are qualified to teach SEP to also teach microlight provided that they have completed differences training.
The UK can permit anyone it wants to teach for national licenses and ratings. The UK currently permits national pilots with no instructor ratings to teach for the grant of an NPPL.
However, with regard to a CRI, it is not so simple when one talks about JAR-FCL training - which the SEP is.
JAR-FCL 1.375 states that the privileges of a CRI is to instruct licence holders for the issue of a type or class rating for single pilot aeroplanes.
Unfortunately, some people forget that JAR-FCL 1.005 tells us;
You are correct that in the UK, the UKCAA permits instructors who hold JAR-FCL licenses and who are qualified to teach SEP to also teach microlight provided that they have completed differences training.
The UK can permit anyone it wants to teach for national licenses and ratings. The UK currently permits national pilots with no instructor ratings to teach for the grant of an NPPL.
However, with regard to a CRI, it is not so simple when one talks about JAR-FCL training - which the SEP is.
JAR-FCL 1.375 states that the privileges of a CRI is to instruct licence holders for the issue of a type or class rating for single pilot aeroplanes.
Unfortunately, some people forget that JAR-FCL 1.005 tells us;
Whenever licences, ratings, authorisations, approvals or certificates are
mentioned in JAR–FCL, these are meant to be licences, ratings, authorisations, approvals or certificates issued in accordance with
JAR–FCL.
mentioned in JAR–FCL, these are meant to be licences, ratings, authorisations, approvals or certificates issued in accordance with
JAR–FCL.
Therefore JAR-FCL makes it clear that the CRI is only entitled to teach SEP Class (or MEP Class) to the holder of a JAR-FCL licence.
Note that I am talking about the training for the issue of the class rating since people seeking for example to complete the 1 hour with an instructor by definition already hold the SEP and therefore a JAR-FCL licence.
In sumary, SSEA or SEP to Microlight - National Issue - differences training - CRI
SSEA to SEP - JAR-FI required (most of the training from the JAR-FI will have been done on the initial SSEA training)
Microlight to SSEA or SEP - JAR FI required
The easiest way to think of it is that any training which requires a solo element requires an FI since CRI's are not authorised to supervise student solo flights.
But don't forget what JAR-FCL says about licenses when training for JAR-FCL ratings!!
Regards,
DFC
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DFC, there are so many holes in that last post that it would take a yard of concrete to try and plug them. I suggest you go back to square and understand the rules yourself.
As for:
Where on earth did you come up with that crap......
Sometimes you should read what you actually write and realise that the half the stuff you clearly make up does not come close to passing for rules.
A CRI may teach for any rating that they hold on their license or have embedded rights to such as Micro-light if they have met the relevant experience requirements. With an IRI they may even teach for the IR/IMC. This includes the various SET Class Ratings and Single Pilot Type ratings. Multi engines type ratings naturally require a CRI (ME).
As for:
The UK can permit anyone it wants to teach for national licenses and ratings. The UK currently permits national pilots with no instructor ratings to teach for the grant of an NPPL.
Sometimes you should read what you actually write and realise that the half the stuff you clearly make up does not come close to passing for rules.
A CRI may teach for any rating that they hold on their license or have embedded rights to such as Micro-light if they have met the relevant experience requirements. With an IRI they may even teach for the IR/IMC. This includes the various SET Class Ratings and Single Pilot Type ratings. Multi engines type ratings naturally require a CRI (ME).
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Originally Posted by Bose-X
Where on earth did you come up with that crap......
NPPL holders teach for the microlight rating under an exemption and not by virtue of holding an instrutor rating.
CRI's can not do any ab-initio training. They can not send students solo. They can only train people who already hold the appropriate licence. Therefore if an NPPL holder with microlight rating approached a CRI with a view to obtaining a JAR-FCL licence with SEP the CRI would not be able to train them.
A CRI(MEP) with a valid SEP rating can not automatically teach for the SEP Class as you claim. They need to comply with the requirements in JAR-FCL with regard to experience, training and test first.
Regards,
DFC