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- I worked for Aviance in 2007 when they took B.A in the regions. Noboby was ready (nor did we anticipate) what was in store. After 3 months it stabilised and a year or 2 into it everything was actually great. All was well until Servisair arrived and took out most of the senior staff and in my opinion made a mess of it in 3 months. They too then stabilised it until B.A went to Menzies in June 2012. They run it with less than a skeleton staff (or are they always unlucky with sickness etc esp at the weekends ? ?). I've heard senior B.A people say that they are both a) - Sick and tired of Menzies and b) - They've never had it better. One thing's for sure. Most of our airlines are just like rate-tarts in the business world. They will simply go for the cheapest option and then SHOUT for the whole time the contract is in whoevers hands. - As I said, - a once great workplace turned to **** in most airports of the U.k.
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There was a meeting in MAN and it is a contract renewal meeting, it will be a while before we know but I say good riddance, all of the issues with Flybe are their own, and this is what the handling agents no matter who they are because all handling agents are the same,, its all the same **** you just get a different colour pay slip.
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I agree with VictorCharlie. This used to be a great industry and a fun job. And it still is, except the pay has gotten a lot worse.
Until the airlines stop going with the lowest bidder GH, it's just going to get worse at all handlers. Airlines want the lowest price - and I hate to say it, you get what you pay for......
I've seen Airbus and Boeing turns billed out at £230 - and that includes baggage, check-in, boarding and pushback. You know it's not profitable at that price. And thats why GH loves de-ice.... Its the only time they can make a profit on the year.
Until the airlines stop going with the lowest bidder GH, it's just going to get worse at all handlers. Airlines want the lowest price - and I hate to say it, you get what you pay for......
I've seen Airbus and Boeing turns billed out at £230 - and that includes baggage, check-in, boarding and pushback. You know it's not profitable at that price. And thats why GH loves de-ice.... Its the only time they can make a profit on the year.
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That is it Ihadadream. I have also seen the end-game £ wise that an Airline can force. Penalties etc. . - You made us late, you caused more delays down the line - here is another fine etc. In those cases the turnarounds equate to free !. I have even heard that RyanAir get a turn for nothing and the handling agent takes the excess baggage or gate baggage for the flights as a reward for handling them ?
It was with a very heavy heart that after 10 years in Dispatch I thought I would turn my hand to, aircraft De-Icing. Seeing those bills now go out the other way brings a smile to my face and so it should.
It was with a very heavy heart that after 10 years in Dispatch I thought I would turn my hand to, aircraft De-Icing. Seeing those bills now go out the other way brings a smile to my face and so it should.
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Hadn't heard the RyanAir deal VC. Small wonder we can't recruit into the industry any more.
What with the beancounters screwing with staff levels and pay, airlines demanding quicker turns with less staff... I still love my work. But I still long for the good old days - three ramp rats riding the belt loader up to the hold.....
Let's not even get started on the HSE aspect of our departments ...
What with the beancounters screwing with staff levels and pay, airlines demanding quicker turns with less staff... I still love my work. But I still long for the good old days - three ramp rats riding the belt loader up to the hold.....
Let's not even get started on the HSE aspect of our departments ...
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- Probably a good idea 
Because the Aviation environment is so unique, there are many people who now would work for the minimum wage just for the chance to work in the industry. I saw a job with Volotea as an internship. - 500 Euros a month, - I mean - £373 PER MONTH. The dole is more than that and although there are very FEW people who want to sit about and do nothing is it any wonder we are about to see deflation in Europe and things are where we are ?. The answer our great leaders think is QE : Printing out the billions and billions that have been stolen by the Banks etc but EVERY ground handling agent needs to introduce minimum handling charges and actually follow it through. They are all responsible for cutting each others throats, - IF you want handled by us its £900, - "Ok, - we will just go to X", - Fine, goodbye. X then says, sorry IF you want handled by us its £900. etc etc etc. 
Because the Aviation environment is so unique, there are many people who now would work for the minimum wage just for the chance to work in the industry. I saw a job with Volotea as an internship. - 500 Euros a month, - I mean - £373 PER MONTH. The dole is more than that and although there are very FEW people who want to sit about and do nothing is it any wonder we are about to see deflation in Europe and things are where we are ?. The answer our great leaders think is QE : Printing out the billions and billions that have been stolen by the Banks etc but EVERY ground handling agent needs to introduce minimum handling charges and actually follow it through. They are all responsible for cutting each others throats, - IF you want handled by us its £900, - "Ok, - we will just go to X", - Fine, goodbye. X then says, sorry IF you want handled by us its £900. etc etc etc.
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Heard from some ex colleagues at menzies that they will be told in the next week if they will be tuped to swissport. They seemed pretty happy about being tuped but i dont think they understand the reality of how bad other HA are.
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yeah but have you worked for Menzie "legalize"
But as you point out, all GHC's have their issues.
I know Ramp Agents with Menzies that are waiting for OT for 6 months or more as their payroll system is messed up.
But as you point out, all GHC's have their issues.
I know Ramp Agents with Menzies that are waiting for OT for 6 months or more as their payroll system is messed up.
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Any truth to the rumour that 70 staff will transfer from Menzies to Swissport on the 28th March at BHX?
If it is true which departments are they mainly from? And how many staff will it leave at Mnezies?
If it is true which departments are they mainly from? And how many staff will it leave at Mnezies?
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Legalize - perhaps your 'reliable' or 'not so reliable' source will know - or is that where the rumour has come from?
There is no way that Servisair/Swissport or whatever they want to be called at the moment could handle the additonal work without taking some staff so I would like to wish any staff transferring under TUPE good luck - at least you will have job security for a while longer.
There is no way that Servisair/Swissport or whatever they want to be called at the moment could handle the additonal work without taking some staff so I would like to wish any staff transferring under TUPE good luck - at least you will have job security for a while longer.
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Seems like SP BHX will be making an announcement tomorrow regarding the new Norwegian flight. Looks like they will now be tuping over 100 staff from Menzies with all the additional work
Lights off at menzies it looks like.
Lights off at menzies it looks like.
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legalize. i heard it was more like 60-70 staff going on a tupe transfer to swissport. apparently swissport have now been given the names of all the staff members that will be going over to them.
