Is Emirates AV College Bad !

[bala_murali]

Hi there guys

I have enrolled for the the flight dispatcher course in emirates aviation college for this October batch . I saw the previous post by barnboy (third post from the last) and was baffled.

I would be paying the fee for processing the visa in 4 days time and the total course fee in 7 days time. I dont know anybody who has finished this course from emirates aviation college but general feedback of one to two students who have attended the other course was good( met them online ) i got from emirates aviation college was good . The name emirates and jeppesen also added to the reputation .
I am from India. i did my bachelors degree in electrical and electronics engineering and 2 years of work experience in Dell computer.As eveybody said sheffield school of aeronatics is really great . But at the end of the day with an FAA license what can i do ? even if i find a job opening in USA ( which i very difficult first of all ) there is no way i can get a work permit from the government. FAA license is not recognized in India and there is also no way to convert it ( checked it out from dispatcher working for paramount airways , India ). I did hear that FAA license it accepted by singapore airlines and lufthansa ,but this usually is the case when the airlines send people to train in sheffield or any faa authorized school . i heard that having an FAA license and applying for the job on an individual bases would not work .
From speaking to some flight operation professional here i found that generally getting a job as a dispatcher is very difficult and in India there is no DGCA authorized dispatch training itself . So considering India there is no place to train also .So my only choice was emirates aviation college ,Dubai.From my research i found that the chances in Dubai are also slim but there is atleast a chance, compared to other countries.
Barnboys feedback on emirates was very shocking . i would like to know some more feedback regarding emirates aviation college training and the possiblity of an OJT in Dubai from some of the guys who have trained in emirates aviation college . Your suggestion and opinions would greatly help me in my decision making guys . Please let me know your experince in EMIRATES AVIATION COLLEGE .
Lastly i like to know why Barnboy who is from America chose emirates aviation college in dubai when there are indefinete number of option in USA itself ?? .Thanks a million for your time . its much appreciated !

[crazy_bird]

so you finally applied for the October batch....nice
still talking to my friends and trying to get in touch with ex-dipatcher course students of EAC
how are the chances of getting employment in dubai slim?, it is one of the fastest growing aviation industries, and even india is growing at a considerable rate
anyways, best of luck
Kunal
cheers

[barnboy2006]

Flight dispatch course

Speaking of finding work, do you think things are all rosy and "booming" in the UAE ?? This is just hype. You go to Dubai, and you'll find out. Flight dispatchers are a dime a dozen there. Most people who do the course don't even get the job to start with. They just end up doing other minor things like crew scheduling or ramp dispatching. And when there is a vacancy, most companies will just hire internally, they don't look outside for dispatchers. It's not how much you know or what you know, its whom you know. If you have high level contacts or Vastaa, you'll get stuff done. Otherwise, you will just waste your time and learn things the hard way. Everything I have said is 100 % factual. The standards at EAC are very low. You know what, just enrol and find out for yourself. It is a diploma mill, and they wont even help you get any employment.

I warned you. If you still wanna go ahead, then that's your wish.

Good luck

[barnboy2006]

Ok, my previous post got deleted by the moderator for some reason, so I'll make it short and just give you the nut meat of my point.

The FAA licence is recognised everywhere and it will augment any licence that you have. You can become a dispatcher in india with an FAA licence if you pass a DGCA oral exam, and there are tonnes of flight dispatch training schools in india. Jeppesen even has a branch in Hyderabad. Do your reseach properly. If you have any problems, I can PM some email IDs of my classmates to you and they will tell you about their experience as well. Trust me, it won't be positive.

I am not a nemesis of EAC. I'm a victim, and this is just a caveat.

Like a highway line, i'm only telling you what you shouldn't do, but I am not preventing you from doing it.

[bala_murali]

how to hunt for a job

Hi there barnboy .Did not hear much good news about EAC . Dint pay the fee yet. But my option are very limited. I heard very good feedback about Sheffield . i love to get trained with them and budget wise its gono cost pretty much the same as UAE. My question to you is , at the end of the day what do i do with an FAA dispatch license when i come to india. You an me both know its impossible to get a work permit in USA for an international student for this course .i spoke to some flight operations personals 50 % say with an FAA license is accepted all over the world except india ,pakistan ,srilanka . The rest say with an FAA license you can work only in USA, dont even think of going with this license to other countries QUOTE""i

if you want to become a flight dispatcher individually( without an airlines sponsoring you ) the only way is to go that country get trained in that country ,get that countries license and find job in the country and for now the only chance of that working out is only in UAE

"" this was told by many flight operations personals.my mind is like the "cat on the wall" right now . The other thing is when i come back to India with an FAA license, how should i hunt for job.Suppose if there is a opening in singapore , germany for faa license personals, after applying for it and after sending my resume, should i be taking an airticket there from india just to attend an interview???? the cost of airticket,food,accomodation in the countries i go to interviews for will shoot up like hell .
Atleast when i go to DUBAI after i finish my studies ,eventhough its a slim chance of employment , i would be at the place to hunt for it ! CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG GUYS

Have been hearing some news that there are opportunities for dispatchers in Singapore ? would like your take on this guys ..

Guys who are non US national , who have went for FAA licenses individually and come back to their respective countries , How did you hunt for job ?? Please shed some light for us beginners here. I am praying to god somebody from india who has got an FAA license see this post . .. Thanks for you time and patinece guys . Hope your experince could get me through.

[barnboy2006]

Hi Bala,
If you get your FAA licence, you can use it in India after giving an oral exam with a DGCA official. Check out the link for this flying school.

Mahendra School of Aviation-CPL

They have explained how you can get an Indian licence if you have an FAA licence. Plus if you have FAA licence, you can apply at a lot of other places, like UK, other gulf countries besides UAE, Singapore, China, Australia etc. Even if you decide to come to the gulf when you think there is a good chance you'll get a job, it is not a problem converting your FAA licence to a DGCA one. Check out this link from Sheffield

FAA Aircraft Dispatcher Certification School-Q & A

You may say they are biased, but even my instructors at EAC agreed with them.

And trust me, EAC is not a good school. I can PM some email adresses of some of my classmates if you want and you can ask them. They will tell you the same thing.

I'm not a detractor, I'm just a well wisher.

Take care

[desertopsguy]

Quote.."The rest say with an FAA license you can work only in USA, dont even think of going with this license to other countries"...What total idiot told you this??
The FAA licence is a de-facto standard in many countries that do not currently have their own flight dispatch licence.

I know this from first hand experience, mine has taken me all over and thus far I've had a very rewarding career.

It seems to me you are from India, hate to burst the bubble here but you will not be hired in Europe, Australia, Canada etc without a work permit. Additionally most EU countries require you to speak their native language in addition to English so applying for a job in Spain when you don't speak Spanish is probably not going to lead anywhere.

Focus on where you know you can work or get sponsorship relatively easily.

For the record, you won't find better training than Sheffield, their add on courses are also excellent, you will also have access to their exclusive jobs board and their network of contacts around the world. Obviously most of the jobs are in the USA but not all.

Finally, consider this, the FAA licence is accepted and regularly converted into the licence of the local authority in many foreign countries without too much difficulty; the same cannot be said of licences from India or UAE.

Good luck.
D.O.G

[flyairaviation]

Flight Dispatcher Training in India.

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• Diploma in Airport Ground handling with Flight dispatch / Radio Telephony
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We have placed our candidates as Asst. flight dispatcher in India itself. we are a HR company in Aviation, Contact: john:00919884289120/9884342539 for Admission for Flight Dispatcher Course.

[flyairaviation]

Aircraft Dispatcher training in india

Fly Air Aviation Academy offers you fabulous Career oriented courses in Aviation Industry.


Some of our training courses are :

• Diploma in Air hostess and Airport Ground handling
• Diploma in Airport Ground handling with Flight dispatch / Radio Telephony
• Diploma in Cargo management
• Basic Diploma in Flight Dispatch
• Basic Diploma in Airlines security
• Basic Diploma in Radio Telephony Restricted (AERO)
• Airlines reservation system – GALILEO

Contact john:00919884289120

[merlinxx]

D-o-G

I give up on this lot, just let them spend and find out the hard way

[desertopsguy]

Halas

Good evening Merlin,

I think you're right in the end, more meat for the grinder. As for landing a decent ops job in M.East as a newbie these days, you'd have more luck getting a start with Man Utd.

I still maintain the 'dispatcher factory' is highly culpable for the consistent lowering of T's & C's out this way.

All the best.

D.O.G

[flyerSE]

D.O.G. has very interesting inputs to this thread. I also think that your chances to get an job in EU, USA or AUS are very very low...

In my opinion you should search for the aviation job in your contry...I really don't know what is the situation in your country but you should try it this way...for example crewing or ramp agent or something similar and wait for the vacancy in the dispatch possition and try it...you have to know first some people from OPS, go for a beer with them etc etc...as somebody mentioned here, sometimes is more important how many contacts do you have and not your knowledge... If the requirements for the dispatch position in that company would be, that you need to be a holder of an licence with those contacts you would know when will be the next hireing on dispatch position and before that you could do the licence which would be required...after that they would interally hire you or in better case they would hire you and send you for the licence on the company costs...

Do you really thing that you will finish some course and without any aviation career or OPS experience you will be hired in any company? most probably not. I will tell you that many companies hire interally and will teach their own people interally and without licence. As far as I know only in US and maybe some few other countries is the licence mandatory thing, which is required by the local CAA... all ower the world you can do the job without licence, practically in whole EU there is no such a regulation...therefore many companies send their dispatchers on some courses after they hire them and teach them their own stuff, but most of the companies don't do that because it is not mandatory...
I started my career on aviation university in my country then company which not longer exist hired me on crewing possition, was working 2 years as crew controller, after that interally hired on flight dispatch possition, after one year of dispatching I have done the ICAO dispatch licence in my country after my company bankrupted.After 9 month search hired in Switzerland as flight dispatcher without knowledge of french language which is spoken in this region.

hawk

[Q-RTF-X]

desertopsguy post # 7 (above)

Generally sound advice.

I myself am retired now, I took myself off to the USA and did my FAA licence a long long time ago and subsequently worked in a number of positions in more than a few locations. At the end of the day, it was the USA that first devised the Flight Dispatcher system and in my opinion it remains the leader in requiring licence holders to display a high level of knowledge.

One has to make one's own decisions, but as I have already said, desertopsguy provides some very sound and practical input

[bala_murali]

MBA in aviation management or MBA in operations

Hi there FLYSE -

I am from india . There not even an DGCA (Indian aviation authority) authorized dispatch training in my country .my background is a bachelors degree in electrical and electronics and 2 years experience in dell computers as a senior hardware technical support executive .I tried for job even like a Ticketing agent ,Ramp agent .. It seems that i am over qualified for these position . Not to mention the fact that my father was staring down at me when i mentioned that about the ticketing agents jobs after doing my engineering.

Want to do dispatch training in a country and would like to work in that country ( since the license is country specific ). which country would that be ?? i know i am gono get a lot of negative replies for this post . But still wanted to take my chance .

Thanks for your time guys .

[Out Of Trim]

I think the country you should be looking for work in - is India!

From your background, perhaps you should think of staying in the electrical engineering field - say at Dell Computers..

If you really are set on working in a Dispatch role; you will have to find a position from where you can gradually move on up to it. Just doing a course somewhere and being qualified is not on it's own going to get you there!

So I would concentrate on getting a foot in the door with an airline or ground handling company or even try working for an airport authority. Once you are working at an airport you may be trained internally by that organisation at their expense and will get inside information from like minded people and gather contacts etc.

All the best OOT.

[Brutes]

I agree, it is much better to get the job first, you will find that alot of guys do the training and think they are going to find a job easy. it is not that easy, as your experience in the field counts more than the qualification.

all the best and know you will make it

[barnboy2006]

What's wrong with you ?

Are you mad ?? What is wrong with you ?? Don't you know how to read ?? There is a course at Mahindra school of aviation in Chennai. It is DGCA approved and it is more comprehensive and relevant to the industry in India, compared to any Jepp course. The least you can do is look into it yourself.

Man, you don't really look like a bright number. How did you even get into computer engineering ?? Are you sure you aren't just some tech support call center guy ?? Jeez !!

[bala_murali]

Barnboy- Forwarding fake schools

Hey there Barnboy -

Get your facts right before you speak. Especially when you say the same thing twice .I have called in the DGCA licensing department to check for DGCA authorized dispatch training centers in India. AND PLEASE SEE THIS WITH BOTH YOUR SORRY EYE OPEN - THERE IS NO DGCA AUTHORIZED DISPATCH TRAINING CENTERS IN INDIA

And about the two dispatch school that you told -they are utter fakes .

• Mahindra School of aviation -http://www.msoa.in/met.htm

• Skyline aviation Club -Skylin..Beyon Time At All Timesss

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The Mahindra School that you are talking about is just 20 kms from my place .A awesome example of ****.

Check the Skyline aviation club link that I sent you , This guys is wearing a NASA Space suit ,who is he trying to fool- Sorry I Guess you have been fooled already. I spoke to him over the phone; he claims to be working for AIR INDIA for the past 30 years. My friend works for paramount airways as a dispatcher... I spoke to his friend to in a dispatcher working for AIR INDIA in MUMBAI (BOMBAY ) . He confirmed that there is no pilot named " CAPT MANEK ( the founder and the teacher in skyline ) working for AIR INDIA ever. He check it up with a senior dispatcher working at AIR India .But he know the Skyline aviation club since he is in MUMBAI and he also knew 2 students who have went through dispatch training there .After the initial 3 months course introductory that skyline offer they were sent to a school in Canada to get a Canadian dispatch license . One girl is working in Bangalore airport as ticketing agent for the past 4 years and the boy is working as a gate security person in MUMBAI airport. Both these jobs were got by their own hardship .No assistance from skyline. The students of skyline virtually spit on skyline's club face. The initial 3 months of training given is a money grabbing tactic. Nothing is taught in that 3 months. They threaten students saying that they will fail the dispatcher course if they join directly abroad.

i have asked you a question twice that you never answered- Being in USA why did you come to EMIRATES AVIATION COLLEGE to get a GCAA license. When there is an awesome school called Sheffield up there.

ARE YOU A AVIATION PERSONAL OR A SALES AGENT FOR ****TY DISPATCH SCHOOL?

And one more thing Barnboy. When i finished in Bachelors degree in electrical and electronics engineering ( not computer science engineering as you mentioned ) in worked in a call center( while searching for jobs ) for 4 month before joining the Dell manufacturing unit (Working at Dell : What's New | Dell India) in my city.

I bow to the guys working at call centers (the good ones).. One of toughest jobs that you can come across. You need a cool and composed head to answer a person who is shouting on the other line at the top of his voice, especially when the mistake he is shouting for is not even yours. For the attitude you have Barnboy, you will not even get a job in a call center .Hell I don’t even think you are from USA, there is no way you could know about the ****ty school in my city from being up there and if you are really from USA and if you have the knowledge that you boast having you would went for an FAA license in Sheffield than taking the dispatcher course at emirates aviation college. It’s because of people like you; people who are actually interested in aviation are not able to get into aviation.

The last post that you gave about skyline was also an utter bull****. I didn’t want to respect that post with a reply .But this time you are really getting on my nerves.

Okkk . ALL emotions apart - This forum is for sharing knowledge and experience, it is not for advertising schools that you don’t even know. I had friends and resources in the aviation field in my city to check upon these fake schools. Many people would not be having that. They can follow these words in your post and go and fall their blindly.

And last but not least Barnboy - try to give some respect for people.. Most of your posts have been very rude. Try reading it yourself, you will fell like ****. People ask question here because they don’t know about aviation, if they had the money to flounder and take chances, they wouldn’t be posting questions here. If you think a person's question is stupid ...don’t answer it. You would be doing a very big favor for all of us.

Go have a nice cold glass of water to quench your anger. Cheers Man.

Yours truly
BALA ...

[barnboy2006]

Screw you you dips#$t. And thanks for proving my point. I didn't even mention "skyline academy". Just shows that you don't even know how to read properly. And I am not promoting any ****ty schools. You were the one who asked for a school in India. I just looked one up and gave it to you.The website said they used a DGCA approved syllabus and it was a 6 month course, as opposed to the short 2 month course offered by Jepp. You may be right, I don't know. Sorry, but I haven't devoted my life towards promoting your career and looking for schools for you. If I got it wrong, I got it wrong. I don't live in India, and I am not forcing you to go for it. I am just giving you my personal experience of the course at EAC. You still wanna go for it, fine. An idiot like you deserves it. I never even asked you to go to any school.

And look dumbass, I do not live in the USA. I just included that in to maintain my anonimity. I am planning to go there now to get my FAA license. You don't have any right to know where I live, and I don't want to tell you. You have no idea how ruthless these Jepp and EAC people can be if they find out your identity. You are such a retard. Just because I mentioned that I am from the US in my profile, you think I live there ?? LOSER !!!

And screw you for saying you are interested in aviation. If you were interested in aviation, why the f did you go into engineering. I have an Australian CAA CPL and I did the flight dispatch course because I can't find a pilot job. And please, don't give me a lecture on call center jobs, it is only meant for sheep like you.

And the DGCA has no mandate to authorize flight dispatch courses in India.

And just use your brain for a change. How can the entire country of INDIA not have a single DGCA certified dispatcher course ?? You're telling me that each and every dispatcher in India went abroad for their training ?? Geez, what a maroon !!! And if you think EAC will assist you with employment, dream on !!

As for other schools, there is the Indian aviation academy, WHICH HAS A DGCA and ICAO CERTIFIED DISPATCH COURSE, Tradewings, which has a JAA and ICAO certified dispatcher course, and Delta Academy, which also has a DGCA, I repeat, DGCA certified course, that will even get you an RTR license once you finish. And yes, all of these schools follow a DGCA syllabus, if they didn't, they would have been closed down by now. Maybe you can use your "friends and resources" to get you a brain, so that you can lessen the number of smileys you use and concentrate on increasing your intelligence.

Speaking of "friends and resources in the aviation industry", if you do have these "friends and resources", why don't you just use their help to get you into a proper school ?? Why are you asking random people on Pprune for advice ?? MORON !!!

Good bye and go to hell.

[barnboy2006]

Screw you

As a matter of fact, if you just read my posts properly, I have only been suggesting that you should get an FAA license. But a moron like you is too ape-s#$t to understand that.

Look man, I am sorry if I have been rude to you. I don't even know you, and to be frank, I don't wanna know you. I am not here to tell people which school they should go to, and I am not here to tell people which school they shouldn't go to. My mum's friend recommended EAC to me, and EAC was more convenient for me than sheffield, so I went for it. Unfortunately, that was not a good call, and all I wanted to do is share my experience, so as to inform others. I only meant to suggest sheffield, which objectively is a better option, since you get your FAA license.

Do what you wanna do,I don't give a f@#k anymore. You're a putain !!

Good bye and F off !!