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Long weekend every week. Gruelling hours and early to bed in the week, but you can push hard on 4 days. The rest was covered by a nightshift (5's) and a weekend shift (reduced ops).
Depends upon what has to be managed, controlled, coordinated. You will find it hard to get the answer here but surely the caravanners down your way actually want a weekend shift so they have the place to themselves in the week?
Do know a guy working for a major courier company in Aruba. He works the hours we all want. His 3hrs of daily work is done before the sun hits the horizon every morning....
Ref days off, some companies roster: 2 DAYS, 2 NIGHTS, REST AFTER LAST NIGHT, 4 OFF 2 DAYS 3 NIGHTS, REST AFTER LAST NIGHT, 3 OFF 3 DAYS 2 NIGHTS, REST AFTER LAST NIGHT, 4 OFF
Ho hum.
I find this pattern works well as it seems like "time on/time off"...
Worked the 2days 2nights 12hr shift pattern (I recall it was called the continental shift pattern) for years and really enjoyed it. 2days 0700hrs - 1900hrs then 2nights 1900hrs - 0700hrs the swing from day to night was like a day off for me I'd get up around 0700hrs and have an afternoon kip (2 hours or so) before heading in for my first night shift. after my first night shift I'd sleep all day then back in for second night shift. After second night shift I'd sleep till around 1000 or 1100hrs then get up and have a 'normal' day then enjoy another three off. Seemed to me like I was hardly at work. Trouble with this system is it is manpower hungry and can actually cost the employer a bit more than other shift patterns. We were also able to maximise our annual leave by just taking 4 shifts off we had almost two weeks (12 days) to go off on our jollies. Overtime was good when we covered others leave it would mean either doing 4days 2nights or 2days 4nights depending on which pattern we were on. I've worked in aviation all my adult life, what's a weekend? I'd much rather have time off when others are working it's much easier to get around town and such like.
Worked 2days, 2nights, 4off, also worked the 4/5 option at BY in the late 90's. Preferred the 4/5. Weekends were either totally free or totally working. Also meant you could slot in a couple of O/T shifts without taking too much of a hit on your time off.
Another variation for 24hr cover was the RAF MATO pattern.
Day1 = Afternoon Day2 = Morning + Night Day3 = Rest Day 4 = Afternoon Day 5 = Morning + Night Day 6 = Rest Day 7 = Off Day 8 = Off
The only good thing about this was you always had hangover recovery time before afternoons!
No contest . . 2Days, 2Nights, 4off (12 hr 6-18/18-06).
Though if 8hrs becomes 'EuroLaw' the industry is buggered, imagine all the extra people they will have to employ to cover a 24hour industry!! *returns from cloud-cuckoo-land*
You still work the same number of hours per month on 8 hour shifts as on 12, so don't normally need more people. You can gain more flexibility to peaks too.
Having worked both systems, the 8 hours roster meant I could get a round of golf in everyday if i wanted
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That is 7 days on then 3 off. 10 day rotation which requires 6 bodies to cover for leave/trng etc. Don't argue, we ran this pattern for over 10 years (old BEA/BOAC/BA system) If your going to screw up a day for 8 hrs + 30 mins handover, rather screw up a day for 12.5 hrs with more time off. 1 hr handover time against 1.5 hrs handover time (that doesn't count the handover prep time which is normally another wairted non productive 30 mins per shift)
2 days followed by 2 nights has always been the best or the worst ways to go, whether that be 4 on, 4 off or 4 on, 2 off followed by 4 on, 6 off or whatever depends on the nature of the work, often it can take 2 days to 'sober up' after 48 hours in 4 days so 4 off, or a rest day followed by 3 off, does seem to suit the majority.
My last 12 hour shift job was all days, no nights, it was 4 x 12 hour days followed by 4 clear days off but the 12 hour days, allowing for travelling time etc. workied out to 4, back to back, days of 14 hours out of the house, 10 hours of in the house during which one needed to prepare a meal(s) sh1t and shave etc. and that became soul destroying and it really did take a full 2 days to 'sober up' thereafter.
I also, previous to that, worked in a European commune where 8 hour shifts were the maximum, unless one's bosses applied to the authorities which one's bosses seemed more intent on building an empire than realising common sense, and that became ridiculous, in 8 hours one hardly broke in to a sweat and then one had to endure 16 hours off, followed by 24 hours off etc, (2 x E, 2 x L, 2 x N) with little to do but kick heels until time to come to work again, comparible to crew members being given 24 hours rest down route, they're awake after 12-16 hours then have to kick their heels, whilst remaining 'fresh', before coming back to work again but just as they come back to work they'd much rather be back in bed!
But, it has to be said, if one has an objection to working weekends then perhaps they're in the wrong industry.
Used to work 12 hours 4 on 4 off a few years ago. Best shift pattern going. And fortunatly we all decided that we would rather do 4 nights in a row rather than doing nights on all shift patterns. So did DDDD XXXX NNNN XXXX much better if you don't mind the hit of 4 nights, and better for your body clock as you only hit nights every 12 or so days rather than every 7 or so!
I do miss working half the year, now I am back to reality on Monday to Friday!
Can anyone advise on how to save my annual leave from being eaten away by my boss. Im currently working a 4 on 4 off pattern and the annual leave policy is based on working days. therefore if i apply for 12 days leave only 4 working days should be cut from my leave bank. His argument is that its unaccebtable and wants to only deduct the weekends (being fri/sat) which will fall during the leave requested days, thus getting my leave balance down by 10 days instead of 4.
If you finish a night shift after 0001LT it is a duty day! A day off is a day free of all duty
