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I have worked in both NATIVE systems and GUIs for load control and i honestly prefer the native system. it gives a real feel for having to build flights from scratch and watching it run to the end. its more of a challenge. i presently work in Sabre Steadystate (Load Manager) and i am versed enough that i can build a flight in the load control system start to finish in 5 minutes. (this is on a good day). there is no challenge in that. Yes BA RTZ (Winbabs) and Codeco are built on the same infrastructure. entries are the same. only thing one system was built and maintained by BA and the other by KLM. there was a release on the KLM site that said they would stop supporting Codeco as they would be moving onto Amadeus Altea and that they would not leave their DCS customers in the dark as they would work with them to also make the move to Altea.
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I always forget to do monitor action 5. FC ... MS ... @y......
!!! This thread is really cool by the way.
I have a codeco manual but they are apparently harder to get than gold dust so your not going to get mine! I doubt it would help you though for the reasons decribed already.
I would just get a notepad and write down the entries you use and refer to that. Eventually they will become motor functions as you fire them out!
!!! This thread is really cool by the way.I have a codeco manual but they are apparently harder to get than gold dust so your not going to get mine! I doubt it would help you though for the reasons decribed already.
I would just get a notepad and write down the entries you use and refer to that. Eventually they will become motor functions as you fire them out!
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yeah thanks for the info guys.
ive gotten used to codaco over the last month. not a bad bit of kit once you get used to it. the manual sucks. lol i had a look at one in ops the other day - it wasnt what i was expecting. lol. i think ill stick to @h from now on.
im gonna be doing training on the saber system in a few weeks as we started handling PIA. yey. lol how is it?
have you guys seen the manual loadsheets for the A310 and B777 aircraft? im glad ive got a 1h 40 spin time on those. lol makes a change from the 20 mins im used to.
it shouldnt be that bad once im used to them. i can usually knock a manual dash 8 one out in just over 5 minutes.
ive gotten used to codaco over the last month. not a bad bit of kit once you get used to it. the manual sucks. lol i had a look at one in ops the other day - it wasnt what i was expecting. lol. i think ill stick to @h from now on.
im gonna be doing training on the saber system in a few weeks as we started handling PIA. yey. lol how is it?
have you guys seen the manual loadsheets for the A310 and B777 aircraft? im glad ive got a 1h 40 spin time on those. lol makes a change from the 20 mins im used to.
it shouldnt be that bad once im used to them. i can usually knock a manual dash 8 one out in just over 5 minutes.
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hey sandyman. does PIA use SABRE's load manager system. its ok to use. but can't beat BA DCS. the airline that i do loadsheets for using Steadystate ( Sabre load manager) is considering moving to altea but the load control part of it is lacking features wen u compare it to Sabres product. and next thing. sabre ACSI does not account for A/c zones. gotta go count them for urself if u ever have to do a manual load sheet.
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SABRE vs DCS
Hi there,
I don't agree. DCS is by far the best native system ever developed.
I was involved in the development of QUBE (Qantas Universal Business Environment) in both passenger and load control and it was by far the best implementation of DCS ever introduced - the things that system could do were amazing for a TPF product - Add Stop (adding a stop en-route without re-creating the flight), automated DI reaccommodation with six levels of re-accommodation, TP flow forward (a TP variation that allowed pax arriving early to be moved to an earlier flight while retaining their original seat and check in but then being automatically offloaded once they got a seat on the earlier flight, with auto-PNR update.
I have since seen SABRE and have had exposure to SABRE Load Manager - it is absolute rubbish - probably the worst system I've ever seen and the check in component is similarly absolutely pathetic. SABRE seem to have stopped somewhere in the 70's and never developed further - no mode switching, no semi-automated flight close or anything similar to DCS @A and MO, pax can do seat change after LS produced (if using separate LC system - this did not happen when QF Domestic used QUBE check in/res and LH Systems w/b - QF international btw used full DCS including ALP).
I don't know what Altea is like but have close friends who have worked on its development and it kicks SABRE all over the park. There is no comparison.
Every airline I have heard of that has gone to SABRE, especially those who chose it moving from DCS instead of Altea are absolutely regretful of the decision. How anyone could say SABRE LM is better than Altea FM just astounds me. Altea Suite is like a modern DCS but more flexible with Business Rules instead of online engineering records.
Apparently LH systems are moving to join with Amadeus.
I don't agree. DCS is by far the best native system ever developed.
I was involved in the development of QUBE (Qantas Universal Business Environment) in both passenger and load control and it was by far the best implementation of DCS ever introduced - the things that system could do were amazing for a TPF product - Add Stop (adding a stop en-route without re-creating the flight), automated DI reaccommodation with six levels of re-accommodation, TP flow forward (a TP variation that allowed pax arriving early to be moved to an earlier flight while retaining their original seat and check in but then being automatically offloaded once they got a seat on the earlier flight, with auto-PNR update.
I have since seen SABRE and have had exposure to SABRE Load Manager - it is absolute rubbish - probably the worst system I've ever seen and the check in component is similarly absolutely pathetic. SABRE seem to have stopped somewhere in the 70's and never developed further - no mode switching, no semi-automated flight close or anything similar to DCS @A and MO, pax can do seat change after LS produced (if using separate LC system - this did not happen when QF Domestic used QUBE check in/res and LH Systems w/b - QF international btw used full DCS including ALP).
I don't know what Altea is like but have close friends who have worked on its development and it kicks SABRE all over the park. There is no comparison.
Every airline I have heard of that has gone to SABRE, especially those who chose it moving from DCS instead of Altea are absolutely regretful of the decision. How anyone could say SABRE LM is better than Altea FM just astounds me. Altea Suite is like a modern DCS but more flexible with Business Rules instead of online engineering records.
Apparently LH systems are moving to join with Amadeus.
No, Codeco was purchased originally from BA - all DCS worldwide were originally purchased from BA or are originally a BABS system that was modified and on-sold.
Panamatic, System One, Deltamatic, QUBE, Qantam, Merlin (AN), Kriscom, Carina, all of them were originally BABS or its predecessor BOADICIA (phase 4/5 as opposed to BABS which is ALP).
Panamatic, System One, Deltamatic, QUBE, Qantam, Merlin (AN), Kriscom, Carina, all of them were originally BABS or its predecessor BOADICIA (phase 4/5 as opposed to BABS which is ALP).
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Altea is a decent, and very easy system. It's all clickable (or accessible using F keys), no need to memorise codes etc.
Ok it is maybe easy to use in the way it's visual but from a user point of view, it's the worst system I've ever used.
I've used SAS Palco, ORCA, CODECO, LH WAB, GAETAN and Altea.
The latter is by far the worse, it looks like it's made by people who have no idea about load planning.
