BA LINE STATIONS
Closing line stations, I don't think so. I think this may have more to do with the fact that IAG [the overall parent company for BA/IB/VY/EI] is doing a Company wide review [of all the departments of all the Airlines] In engineering or the MRO division as IAG calls it they are only 5% through this review [looking at whether current set-ups provide "best-value" etc]
The "rumour" flying around line stations is that they want to get line station staff onto IAG contracts [this has been raised in the past but then went on the back burner] So if that is what they are wanting to do again, then yes technically the staff would cease to work for BA and then work for IAG.
IAG have already done this in some areas with new managers in BA Cargo going straight onto IAG contracts and as line station engineers are TMG [Technical Manager Grade] there would be no reason they couldn't do it to them as well.
The "rumour" flying around line stations is that they want to get line station staff onto IAG contracts [this has been raised in the past but then went on the back burner] So if that is what they are wanting to do again, then yes technically the staff would cease to work for BA and then work for IAG.
IAG have already done this in some areas with new managers in BA Cargo going straight onto IAG contracts and as line station engineers are TMG [Technical Manager Grade] there would be no reason they couldn't do it to them as well.
Line Station engineers are not TMG.
I also saw something today that said all line stations in Germany and Italy are closing.
I also saw something today that said all line stations in Germany and Italy are closing.
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Deep respect to you TURIN, but I think BA changed Pool Engineers to TMG as a cost saving measure quite a while ago. Other line stations are locally employed, Be good to hear anyone elses version though!
I think we are talking about two different things Yotty.
Pool engineers are LHR based TMG I agree.
The rumour on Yammer is of actual redundancies and line station closures with the work going g out to third party MROs.
Pool engineers are LHR based TMG I agree.
The rumour on Yammer is of actual redundancies and line station closures with the work going g out to third party MROs.
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Sadly, it seems to be true. BA Italy and Germany will close, followed by others, this is just the start of the economic review axe falling.
Where will it stop? Who will do all of BA's work?
Where will it stop? Who will do all of BA's work?
Any idea which companies, Blink, I'm polishing my CV and just wondering where to send it. 
BA still has a substantial sized operation at LGW, so as far as the "usual suspects" are concerned, do any of them have an existing capability to absorb that volume of work? Or will it be a case of transferring everyone and everything over to whichever potential suitor is successful, change the contracts and liveries and if you don't like it, transfer to LHR or leave?
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Sad But True
The BA Engineering office here in FCO is just round the corner from mine.
We have heard that They have given notice to their customers and will be closing down. I have also heard the Germany is in the same boat. And I guess the ROTW will follow.
It looks as if IAG want one handler here in FCO for all 3 (BA/IB/Vueling) companies. So I guess it will be a punch up between KL/Nayak/AZ for the work.... We don't have the B767 on our 145 capability, so we cant bid
Or FAA Geographical approval for their customers either
I guess the majority of staff will go to whoever gets the contracts.
Good luck to all of you
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We have heard that They have given notice to their customers and will be closing down. I have also heard the Germany is in the same boat. And I guess the ROTW will follow.
It looks as if IAG want one handler here in FCO for all 3 (BA/IB/Vueling) companies. So I guess it will be a punch up between KL/Nayak/AZ for the work.... We don't have the B767 on our 145 capability, so we cant bid
Or FAA Geographical approval for their customers either I guess the majority of staff will go to whoever gets the contracts.
Good luck to all of you
Love
LP
It remains to be seen if BA (or IAG for that matter) would cede control of the operation for a marginal gain! primreamer you forgot to add VR!
Incoming provider would take on a big proportion of the existing staff under TUPE and Transfer up to the Mother-Ship is another option being mentioned. VR not mentioned as yet.
Expecting the bidding/ negotiation with new company MRO will take 3-4 months and the take over happening start of W16 season.
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The main reason for TUPE as I understand it, is to protect employment, terms and conditions.
Engineers and technicians are a valuable asset and not easily replaceable regardless of what the "change managers" try to have you believe.
Could any other airline or MRO take on BA at LGW today; no. Could any other airline or MRO take on BA at LGW with a TUPE transfer; yes. Would any other airline or MRO want to do that; what is in it for them?
My view on when BA outsourced ground handling to Swissport, was that Swissport did not want to take on the wage bill of a TUPE. So BA had to make the offer so good to take VR that the majority would take is and go, allowing Swissport to recruit on their T&C's.
I am aware the BA engineering pay scales, some grades are well paid, but work to full scope (unlike other companies that I know), and other grades are some way behind (but not as much as some think).
It would appear that BA are not that interested in their product or brand at LGW, they just want to be able to budget to a fixed cost, with all the risk going to the outsourced supplier. Volatility in cost is what all PLC's hate.
I do not know the detail of the LGW/LHR move last time and whether there was a choice, so can you explain?
Apologies if this is a bit of a ramble, but there is not much to work on yet.
Engineers and technicians are a valuable asset and not easily replaceable regardless of what the "change managers" try to have you believe.
Could any other airline or MRO take on BA at LGW today; no. Could any other airline or MRO take on BA at LGW with a TUPE transfer; yes. Would any other airline or MRO want to do that; what is in it for them?
My view on when BA outsourced ground handling to Swissport, was that Swissport did not want to take on the wage bill of a TUPE. So BA had to make the offer so good to take VR that the majority would take is and go, allowing Swissport to recruit on their T&C's.
I am aware the BA engineering pay scales, some grades are well paid, but work to full scope (unlike other companies that I know), and other grades are some way behind (but not as much as some think).
It would appear that BA are not that interested in their product or brand at LGW, they just want to be able to budget to a fixed cost, with all the risk going to the outsourced supplier. Volatility in cost is what all PLC's hate.
I do not know the detail of the LGW/LHR move last time and whether there was a choice, so can you explain?
Apologies if this is a bit of a ramble, but there is not much to work on yet.
Well good luck everyone.
Hopefully we will all find full employment over the coming months.
Hopefully we will all find full employment over the coming months.