EASA part 66 B1.1 experience requirements??
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EASA part 66 B1.1 experience requirements??
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does anyone know which are the experience requirements for getting the B1 license as Aircraft Engineer?
I was always told from guys with the B1 that you need all the 14 modules of the part 147 certificate plus 5 years of experience (and 3years for the cat A),is that correct?
Coz on this link EASA PART 66 ( JAR 66 ) Licence Guide - Experience Requirements says something completely different!
Also as it seems that none in Europe is hiring mechanics with no experience i was advised to start for 6 months/1 year in a small flight school/aeroclub even working for free,does that count for your experience without a work contract or you must have a contract as a mechanic in order to certify that you are really working for them.
I am sorry for asking all those question but i cannot find anything on the EASA web site!
Thanks a lot
does anyone know which are the experience requirements for getting the B1 license as Aircraft Engineer?
I was always told from guys with the B1 that you need all the 14 modules of the part 147 certificate plus 5 years of experience (and 3years for the cat A),is that correct?
Coz on this link EASA PART 66 ( JAR 66 ) Licence Guide - Experience Requirements says something completely different!
Also as it seems that none in Europe is hiring mechanics with no experience i was advised to start for 6 months/1 year in a small flight school/aeroclub even working for free,does that count for your experience without a work contract or you must have a contract as a mechanic in order to certify that you are really working for them.
I am sorry for asking all those question but i cannot find anything on the EASA web site!
Thanks a lot
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I was always told from guys with the B1 that you need all the 14 modules of the part 147 certificate plus 5 years of experience (and 3years for the cat A),is that correct?
1. With no technical background and without a approved course you might verify at least 5 years experience. For example, you start working in 2005 in a part145 MRO, passing the basic course in 2009, so you have to wait another year.
2. With technical background (whatever your NAA proves, in Germany this could be a guy with a completed apprenticeship as car mechanic) this experience time is reduced to 3 years, so started in 2005, passing the basic course in 2007 and at the end of the year you may get your license.
3. If you've completed the Basic Course at a part147-school, with end of these course you have to wait "only" 2 years till you can apply for your license. (AFAIK in a 0-100% Course there a lot of practical items, so the hole course also lasts ~1,5 till 2 years)
The required experience time has to be performed on operating A/C in a 145 MRO, because they have to certify your experience time.
About your second question:
Thats a little bit difficult, because you need the experience time, so a MRO has to "pay for you" one additional year (after one year you may get the CAT A) without your ability of releasing aircrafts. At the beginning it's always "hard", you have to make a compromise between salary details ect. and place to work (if you have even a choice).
But this "dilemma" always the same, later with CATB 1 license they wanna see also experience as CAT B, a lot of type ratings usually with High-power run up and borescope inspection courses ect. ect.
Good luck
PS: my English-skills aren't the best an i try do get better, so if you think i did "major" mistakes in my explanation -> let me know
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It's straight forward brother read the elgd document.
You need 5 years of line or base maintanance exp in a part 145 organisation If you wish to write the exams merely without attending the full 147 training.
And 2 years of exp in a base or line maintainance organisation after completing the full pertinent 147 course, you also need to log all your tasks and work done throughout these 2 years or 5 years in a cap 741 logbook.
As for the experience and the means to obtain it, you can join any organisation thats hiring apprentices and do your apprenticeship there otherwise you'll have to work with them for free I'm afraid, I had to do that I worked for the company in which I work with currently for free initially untill they eventualy hired me and exp is exp it doesn't matter whether it was for free or not provided you get the appropriate signatures off your mentors and stamp and fill in the logbook properly.
In order to get to the top of the ladder in aviation you have to endure all the humiliation in the begining of your career.
Good luck
You need 5 years of line or base maintanance exp in a part 145 organisation If you wish to write the exams merely without attending the full 147 training.
And 2 years of exp in a base or line maintainance organisation after completing the full pertinent 147 course, you also need to log all your tasks and work done throughout these 2 years or 5 years in a cap 741 logbook.
As for the experience and the means to obtain it, you can join any organisation thats hiring apprentices and do your apprenticeship there otherwise you'll have to work with them for free I'm afraid, I had to do that I worked for the company in which I work with currently for free initially untill they eventualy hired me and exp is exp it doesn't matter whether it was for free or not provided you get the appropriate signatures off your mentors and stamp and fill in the logbook properly.
In order to get to the top of the ladder in aviation you have to endure all the humiliation in the begining of your career.
Good luck
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Thanks a lot guys for all the explanations!Just got a couple of more question:
Part 147 course means that u must follow the lesson or can i go there just to take my exams?
For example i have always been advised from more then one people to go to the SR Technics,lets say that i go there and take all my 14 modules.
Then i work for this flight school and my "menthor" signs all the jobs i am doing with him,after 1 year can i already ask my A cat?And after another one my B1?
Are there any limitation for the experience like weight and type of the aircraft or which area of the aircraft i ll be workin on?
Isnt there a number of jobs that u must take on that aircraft?
Where i may go they wont issue any contract for me they will just call me whenever they need to do some jobs on the aircraft and the engineer will sign off my log book,is that still right?
Part 147 course means that u must follow the lesson or can i go there just to take my exams?
For example i have always been advised from more then one people to go to the SR Technics,lets say that i go there and take all my 14 modules.
Then i work for this flight school and my "menthor" signs all the jobs i am doing with him,after 1 year can i already ask my A cat?And after another one my B1?
Are there any limitation for the experience like weight and type of the aircraft or which area of the aircraft i ll be workin on?
Isnt there a number of jobs that u must take on that aircraft?
Where i may go they wont issue any contract for me they will just call me whenever they need to do some jobs on the aircraft and the engineer will sign off my log book,is that still right?
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Part 147 course means that u must follow the lesson or can i go there just to take my exams?
. In Germany it must be done at least under "supervision" of a teacher, so either like the common way in school or everyone works on his own with a laptop/computer and a learning-program. The background is, it must be ensured, that the trainees did all chapter .Apart from this, there are some exceptions possible, like doing only a few modules or parts of it, but writing a complete examination (transfer from B1 to B2).
I heard, that in GB it's handled more casual, but I've no approved information, sorry.
On the other hand, learning the stuff is sometimes a little sophisticated, so it makes sense to ask/discuss some topics in a class or with your teacher, and at least, i wouldn't miss the stories of them.( In most cases, they're "old" mechanics or engineers, once i had a retired FI as teacher, that was very interesting)
If you do a complete course, there are also practical parts (shoot rivets, do some metal sheet work, ect. ) so you have anyway go to their school.
Then i work for this flight school and my "menthor" signs all the jobs i am doing with him,after 1 year can i already ask my A cat?And after another one my B1?
If I'm correct informed, a 0-100% basic course CAT B1.1 lasts about 1,5 - 2 years, after that period (and successfully passed) the experience time starts.
So all in all (in the best case) it takes ~4 years, the usual way (but of course not always) ist starting with a CAT A and upgradeing it later to CAT B1 / CAT B2
Are there any limitation for the experience like weight and type of the aircraft or which area of the aircraft i ll be workin on?
Isnt there a number of jobs that u must take on that aircraft?
For the first type rating (the one, with which you want to apply for the license) you have to verify at least 4 month of experience on this particular type.
Where i may go they wont issue any contract for me they will just call me whenever they need to do some jobs on the aircraft and the engineer will sign off my log book,is that still right?
So once or maybe twice a week for each time ~3hrs won't give enough experience time to gain the license in acceptable time, in addition the finished modules are "only" valid for 5 years, so finishing the examination of your first module, you have to apply within 5 years for the license.
I know this may sound a little "hard" or vainly (the correct word for that meaning?), but being a licensed engineer is more than "only" passing tests and experience time, it shouldn't be done in the part time or only by books.
Maybe (or for sure) in future as a CAT B you have to handle an AOG abroad, decide when and how 400 passengers will fly safely home and sometimes you have to base your decision on incomplete or ambiguous information. It isn't always black or white, 100% go or no-go, and that are the moments your need your experience.
So i would start (i did it this way, don't have to be the best) as a "simple" mechanic (CAT A) and then expand the license after working a few years.
Wish you good luck
PS: my English-skills aren't the best an i try do get better, so if you think i did "major" mistakes in my explanation ->please let me know, that would help me.
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Brother you got it all backwards.
A part 147 school is a place thats authorized to conduct type courses, part 66 exams aka the 14 modules that you've been refering to, It's just the name of the authorized institute to do so.
Second thing I didn't get what you mean by a flight school or working for a flight school but to clear it all up for you, you need working experience and a logbook that validates you did so with signatures and stamps from your mentor (any engineer that mentored you while you're working) and that all has to be done by a part 145 organisation (the organisation thats EASA authorized to carry out maintainance to aircrafts) and one thing is it has to be a 145 approved so for instance if you were to work in a maintanance organisation thats not recognised under EASA your working experience would be unacceptable by the authority.
finally the 2 years bit means that you have to attend the full lessons and ful courses and write all the exams meaning no more distance studies.
And yes SRT is regarded a 145 organisation.
one last advice, once you finish all your appropriate training under the 147 school make certain they submit your papers to the UKCAA and get a UKCAA license since it's virtualy the only recognised license in the world.
I hope it's all blatant now.
A part 147 school is a place thats authorized to conduct type courses, part 66 exams aka the 14 modules that you've been refering to, It's just the name of the authorized institute to do so.
Second thing I didn't get what you mean by a flight school or working for a flight school but to clear it all up for you, you need working experience and a logbook that validates you did so with signatures and stamps from your mentor (any engineer that mentored you while you're working) and that all has to be done by a part 145 organisation (the organisation thats EASA authorized to carry out maintainance to aircrafts) and one thing is it has to be a 145 approved so for instance if you were to work in a maintanance organisation thats not recognised under EASA your working experience would be unacceptable by the authority.
finally the 2 years bit means that you have to attend the full lessons and ful courses and write all the exams meaning no more distance studies.
And yes SRT is regarded a 145 organisation.
one last advice, once you finish all your appropriate training under the 147 school make certain they submit your papers to the UKCAA and get a UKCAA license since it's virtualy the only recognised license in the world.
I hope it's all blatant now.
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Hi MATMAX
I'm just here to answer matcv88 original question and give advices based on facts and have absolutely no intention to argue you over this story whatsoever.
And sorry if what I said made you feel insulted you're quite an experienced guy you have 20 years of exp and to employers the CAA of the license off someone like you is of not much importance however matcv88 is a novice and has zero exp hence with a license from another CAA and in the current situation in which employers favour ukcaa licensed guys his employment prospect would be severly limited.
That's all there is to it.
Thanks
I'm just here to answer matcv88 original question and give advices based on facts and have absolutely no intention to argue you over this story whatsoever.
And sorry if what I said made you feel insulted you're quite an experienced guy you have 20 years of exp and to employers the CAA of the license off someone like you is of not much importance however matcv88 is a novice and has zero exp hence with a license from another CAA and in the current situation in which employers favour ukcaa licensed guys his employment prospect would be severly limited.
That's all there is to it.
Thanks
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sorry guys i just miss something here,i dont fully understand the school bit:if i study at home and i go to zurigh or wherever they want me to go just to take all my 14 modules i will have my certificate part 147 right?
Then let's say that in the meanwhile i worked in a part 145 authorised company as a mechanic for 2 years i can ask for the B1 one,is that right?
Sorry if i am being a bit dumb
Thanks a lot
Then let's say that in the meanwhile i worked in a part 145 authorised company as a mechanic for 2 years i can ask for the B1 one,is that right?
Sorry if i am being a bit dumb
Thanks a lot
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One posting from me (~14:00UTC) is missing 
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-> thanks who ever it may concern
No, first you have to complete all the modules, then the experience time can be reduced to 2 years.
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-> thanks who ever it may concern
Then let's say that in the meanwhile i worked in a part 145 authorised company as a mechanic for 2 years i can ask for the B1 one,is that right?
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Ok but is there any difference if i study at home for my 14 modules or i attend the lessons?Coz at the end of the day its still the same cetificare so either is study home or i attend the lesson i still need 2 years of exp before asking the license right?
And if the above is right what is the difference if i study and work and the same time?
Also can i ask my license to the caa even if i have been working in another european country?
Thanks so much
And if the above is right what is the difference if i study and work and the same time?
Also can i ask my license to the caa even if i have been working in another european country?
Thanks so much
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sorry guys i just miss something here,i dont fully understand the school bit:if i study at home and i go to zurigh or wherever they want me to go just to take all my 14 modules i will have my certificate part 147 right?
Then let's say that in the meanwhile i worked in a part 145 authorised company as a mechanic for 2 years i can ask for the B1 one,is that right?
Sorry if i am being a bit dumb
Then let's say that in the meanwhile i worked in a part 145 authorised company as a mechanic for 2 years i can ask for the B1 one,is that right?
Sorry if i am being a bit dumb
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ok so without doing the full training course but just taking the modules the experience requirements would be 5 years for the B1 and 3 years for the A,is that right?
Is there a list of jobs that u must go throught to complete your experience or you just need 5 years on whatever?
Has to be 5 years without any pause?
Thanks a lot again
Is there a list of jobs that u must go throught to complete your experience or you just need 5 years on whatever?
Has to be 5 years without any pause?
Thanks a lot again
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Yes there is a list of the jobs in the cap 741 that you must go through they have to be logged in your logbook.
Read what I wrote for you above I answered all your questions already and you keep asking them time and time again as though you haven't even glanced at my replies
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Yes there is a list of the jobs in the cap 741 that you must go through they have to be logged in your logbook.
Read what I wrote for you above I answered all your questions already and you keep asking them time and time again as though you haven't even glanced at my replies
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no flame bringer i did read your replies and i thank you for them i just wanted to be 100% sure on what i need to do coz i didnt even know there was a full time basic course!
Do you know where can i find the list of all this jobs requirements?
And also the 5 years of experience has to costant or i can habe gaps in between?
Do they count the hours or what?Does it matter where i work either if its an apprentiship or a proper mechanic contract as long as it is 5 years?
Thanks for everything and sorry for asking some silly questions!?
Do you know where can i find the list of all this jobs requirements?
And also the 5 years of experience has to costant or i can habe gaps in between?
Do they count the hours or what?Does it matter where i work either if its an apprentiship or a proper mechanic contract as long as it is 5 years?
Thanks for everything and sorry for asking some silly questions!?
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Do you know where can i find the list of all this jobs requirements?
You can download the cap 741 from the EASA site and read the full story of the requirments in there just google cap 741.
And also the 5 years of experience has to costant or i can habe gaps in between?
I'm not sure of that one but when I did my 2 years I did them constant with 1 month holiday per year and 4 days on 4 days off but don't keep a big gap just in case since the UKCAA have been very strict lately and have turned down many of my colleages because of the lack of working experience never the less they did 2 years aswell.
Do they count the hours or what?Does it matter where i work either if its an apprentiship or a proper mechanic contract as long as it is 5 years?
No they just check your logbook and all the substantiating data from the organisation in which worked and evaluate you subject to these papers they might also call the organisation in which you worked to make sure the stamps are not fake and of EASA b1 or B2 engineers with an approval (it happened to me) and they might even interview you if they suspect anything in your logbook (didn't happen to me but i'v heard some stories of people to whom it happened) so always make sure that the contents of your logbook are honest.
Your questions are not silly it's really good to inquiry and inquisite before getting dismayed with things you haven't anticipated due to not having an insight of whats going on in such a big industry.
Good luck
You can download the cap 741 from the EASA site and read the full story of the requirments in there just google cap 741.
And also the 5 years of experience has to costant or i can habe gaps in between?
I'm not sure of that one but when I did my 2 years I did them constant with 1 month holiday per year and 4 days on 4 days off but don't keep a big gap just in case since the UKCAA have been very strict lately and have turned down many of my colleages because of the lack of working experience never the less they did 2 years aswell.
Do they count the hours or what?Does it matter where i work either if its an apprentiship or a proper mechanic contract as long as it is 5 years?
No they just check your logbook and all the substantiating data from the organisation in which worked and evaluate you subject to these papers they might also call the organisation in which you worked to make sure the stamps are not fake and of EASA b1 or B2 engineers with an approval (it happened to me) and they might even interview you if they suspect anything in your logbook (didn't happen to me but i'v heard some stories of people to whom it happened) so always make sure that the contents of your logbook are honest.
Your questions are not silly it's really good to inquiry and inquisite before getting dismayed with things you haven't anticipated due to not having an insight of whats going on in such a big industry.
Good luck
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Do they count the hours or what?Does it matter where i work either if its an apprentiship or a proper mechanic contract as long as it is 5 years?
It may possible, that the authorities want a evidence for the work you've done, for example if you working for a company/department that is only performing cabin items, they can hardly believe, you've gained experience while changing engine fuel system components ect. except you can verify, you've done the work really, because you've changed the department for this time ect. pp. ( just an example to show, they don't automatic believe any paper you gave to them)
The basic experience time which is not verified by a logbook (as i know) is done also by the Part145-company you working for. As I've written above, 5 years don't mean, once per weak over a time period of 5 years, but for exact details i would conduct the relevant authority or a skilled MRO / Part147 school, they should know it.