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Why so negative?
Employees perspective.
You should be encouraging people to join the trade, then there will be no shortfall in engineers. Stop frightening people off. There is plenty of oppourtunity for people to increase their wages if they want to by getting licenses and the extra money that goes with it.
You should be encouraging people to join the trade, then there will be no shortfall in engineers. Stop frightening people off. There is plenty of oppourtunity for people to increase their wages if they want to by getting licenses and the extra money that goes with it.
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hosser has a point
employees perspective
thanks for the info but i was wondering why most of ur posts are so cynical about the job, judging from ur age i guess you'd have heaps of experience but i cant help but wonder if ur some cranky old man that is against everything? Someone has to keep doing the job, no offense
thanks for the info but i was wondering why most of ur posts are so cynical about the job, judging from ur age i guess you'd have heaps of experience but i cant help but wonder if ur some cranky old man that is against everything? Someone has to keep doing the job, no offense
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RE: how much does a aircraft maintenance engineer get paid?
I too started my apprenticeship at the ripe old age of 15 however things quickly started to crumble around me. First came the relocation of 767 Heavy maintenance to Brisbane then i saw the lives of many of my co-workers crumble with the shut down of 747 Heavy Maintenance. I would urge you to think strongly about your future and the way you would like it to turn out. If you want to be in a secure job, ****** is NOT the place for you to be. You will encounter incompetence right from the very first day you start. Good luck with you future in aviation, i would hope it doesn't include ******
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Why is morale so low?
Why are people so cynical?
It does not help when you have the managers telling A.M.E's that they have reached the peak of their career and will not have training.
AME: what are our chances of training within the next 3-6years?
Manager: I am not going to lie to you so, none.
AME: What? Why?
Manager: Basically, we want to change the current ratio of LAMES to AMES so we can be competitive compared to the rest of the market.
1999-2001 there was a whole bunch of training and most of those LAMES trained during that period will not be leaving for another 10-15years.
Basically... If you are happy earning a base wage of between $35,000 and $45,000 for the next 10-15 years then sure, join up.
Why are people so cynical?
It does not help when you have the managers telling A.M.E's that they have reached the peak of their career and will not have training.
AME: what are our chances of training within the next 3-6years?
Manager: I am not going to lie to you so, none.
AME: What? Why?
Manager: Basically, we want to change the current ratio of LAMES to AMES so we can be competitive compared to the rest of the market.
1999-2001 there was a whole bunch of training and most of those LAMES trained during that period will not be leaving for another 10-15years.
Basically... If you are happy earning a base wage of between $35,000 and $45,000 for the next 10-15 years then sure, join up.
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PSSSST...
Hey young fellas can i give you a piece of valuable advice.
Stop listening to these stale old battery hens that work on boring giant stiff wing thingos and get an apprenticeship working on the most amazingingly beautiful and graceful flying creatures around.
Helicopters.
And. If you get a job working with a company that flys for the oil industry you will go home with not only job satisfaction, you'll be paid reasonably/very well (once licensed).
There is such a shortage of good helicopter engineers at the moment.
A good place to start is the military. Lots of young blokes do it that way.
And what an exciting way to do your training!
Good machines, good training, hands on work that involves flying in the machine and flight testing. And being with other young blokes with the same passion for life and flying machines.
I've worked all over the place in choppers and always found it a fascinating and challenging job. I am constantly hands on with the machine and working directly with pilots, ground crew and operations. And i'll say it again. A bit of flying around testing the machine to make sure things are right. That can be so much fun, and at the end of a hard days work so bloody rewarding!!!!
In the right job you will be with a small crew of guys that will be only intersted in one thing, making that chopper fly right and fly safely. No time to sit around on your ass complaining about this and that.
So don't despair. I have worked in the airline industry and found it a bit depressing.
Aircraft are great things to work on.
And i earn as much if not more than the drain cleaning plumbers.
You just need to think outside the box a bit and choose your direction carefully. Just because Qantas is big doesnt mean its the best to work for.
Ok enough said.
Hey young fellas can i give you a piece of valuable advice.
Stop listening to these stale old battery hens that work on boring giant stiff wing thingos and get an apprenticeship working on the most amazingingly beautiful and graceful flying creatures around.
Helicopters.
And. If you get a job working with a company that flys for the oil industry you will go home with not only job satisfaction, you'll be paid reasonably/very well (once licensed).
There is such a shortage of good helicopter engineers at the moment.
A good place to start is the military. Lots of young blokes do it that way.
And what an exciting way to do your training!
Good machines, good training, hands on work that involves flying in the machine and flight testing. And being with other young blokes with the same passion for life and flying machines.
I've worked all over the place in choppers and always found it a fascinating and challenging job. I am constantly hands on with the machine and working directly with pilots, ground crew and operations. And i'll say it again. A bit of flying around testing the machine to make sure things are right. That can be so much fun, and at the end of a hard days work so bloody rewarding!!!!
In the right job you will be with a small crew of guys that will be only intersted in one thing, making that chopper fly right and fly safely. No time to sit around on your ass complaining about this and that.
So don't despair. I have worked in the airline industry and found it a bit depressing.
Aircraft are great things to work on.
And i earn as much if not more than the drain cleaning plumbers.
You just need to think outside the box a bit and choose your direction carefully. Just because Qantas is big doesnt mean its the best to work for.
Ok enough said.
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Hear,hear Epic.
I was just thinking something like this along similar lines myself this morning.I would have probably suggested the Navy myself,but I am sure the Army/RAAF is just as good.
And if at the end of your contract you still want to join QANTAS/Virgin/JHAS or whoever is on the scene then,well you will still have qualifications to give you a look in.
Also I would imagine that the wages/salary between the military and the airlines/MROs is about the same for the four years.
Something to consider.If I had my time over,I would strongly consider the military second time round.
Good luck.
I was just thinking something like this along similar lines myself this morning.I would have probably suggested the Navy myself,but I am sure the Army/RAAF is just as good.
And if at the end of your contract you still want to join QANTAS/Virgin/JHAS or whoever is on the scene then,well you will still have qualifications to give you a look in.
Also I would imagine that the wages/salary between the military and the airlines/MROs is about the same for the four years.
Something to consider.If I had my time over,I would strongly consider the military second time round.
Good luck.
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Throughout this section there is talk about apprenticeships with the big guys like Qantas, Virgin and Emirates etc, but what do you recon about geting an apprenticeship in GA?
ATM I am finishing off my theory and have an apprenticeship lined up with a GA maintenance shop in Brisy. The instructors that I have spoke to at Tech say that you get good allround experience in Structures and Mechanical work which is the two I am doing and from what I have been exposed to/worked on so far it seems to be rele good experience, however I havent relally been exposed to the big stuf.
What do you guys recon?
ATM I am finishing off my theory and have an apprenticeship lined up with a GA maintenance shop in Brisy. The instructors that I have spoke to at Tech say that you get good allround experience in Structures and Mechanical work which is the two I am doing and from what I have been exposed to/worked on so far it seems to be rele good experience, however I havent relally been exposed to the big stuf.
What do you guys recon?
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Have a passion, plant a seed and watch it grow!
Hi guys and girls,
My philosophy is simple: Do what you love and you'll love what you do!
After 23 years, I still love what I'm doing and want to see people join the industry who have the same love and passion for aircraft as I do. From my experience, the guys who complain the loudest about wages, etc are usually the guys who have not got off their backsides and helped themselves.
To all those guys and girls who have that passion in their bellies to maintain aircraft, GO FOR IT! Life is what you make it and remember Oil Additives 2nd law of success:
Success is directly proportional to the amount of energy you put into it, and inversely proportional to the amount you expect someone else to put into it.
Have a nice day
My philosophy is simple: Do what you love and you'll love what you do!
After 23 years, I still love what I'm doing and want to see people join the industry who have the same love and passion for aircraft as I do. From my experience, the guys who complain the loudest about wages, etc are usually the guys who have not got off their backsides and helped themselves.
To all those guys and girls who have that passion in their bellies to maintain aircraft, GO FOR IT! Life is what you make it and remember Oil Additives 2nd law of success:
Success is directly proportional to the amount of energy you put into it, and inversely proportional to the amount you expect someone else to put into it.
Have a nice day
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wtf??
poeple are saying there is a shortage a lames and then some poepl are saying there no jobs for them ??
i looked on the internet and it said tht ames get paid newhere around 50 - 55 thousand a year on average.
and on the qantas appreticeship application it sais tht you can be prmoted to maintainence supervisors and mangement teams
poeple are saying there is a shortage a lames and then some poepl are saying there no jobs for them ??
i looked on the internet and it said tht ames get paid newhere around 50 - 55 thousand a year on average.
and on the qantas appreticeship application it sais tht you can be prmoted to maintainence supervisors and mangement teams
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it looks like your own investigations are uncovering some untruths,entry lvl Lame is 53k pa at Qantas and it will take you many years to get their,try at least 10 yrs.
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hey, does anyone know what kind of job in the mechanical side of Qantas that a graduate Mechanical engineer would be eligable for??
I'll be studying mechanical engineering next year, and have a love for planes and would like to work for Qantas or any airliner.
Thanks
I'll be studying mechanical engineering next year, and have a love for planes and would like to work for Qantas or any airliner.
Thanks
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G'day,
I too have applied for an aircraft maintenance apprenticeship with QANTAS Airways, specifically as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer - Avionics. However, since I wrote them a letter expressing my interset earlier on this year, I have only recieved a letter advising me that they will "contact (me) later on in the year". To date no application form sent to me,
anybody else in the same boat as me?
Anyway, I'm also going to apply to John Holland Aviation Services (JHAS), who else has applied to JHAS?
Cheers.
I too have applied for an aircraft maintenance apprenticeship with QANTAS Airways, specifically as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer - Avionics. However, since I wrote them a letter expressing my interset earlier on this year, I have only recieved a letter advising me that they will "contact (me) later on in the year". To date no application form sent to me,
anybody else in the same boat as me?Anyway, I'm also going to apply to John Holland Aviation Services (JHAS), who else has applied to JHAS?
Cheers.
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Young readers interested in getting into the industry...Forget about apprenticeships with Qantas mainline..Try getting into a regional like REX/Eastern/Sunstate/Alliance/******/RFDS/NJS/Airnorth...Your career will be far more rewarding, you will be trained and you will actually get to work on aircraft.And the money is as good in most cases.
Qantas 737a/f and eng = Heavy $55000 Line $75000
Alliance F100a/f and eng= $70000-80000
For single category LAMEs you will earn more out of Qantas, you will have far more job satisfaction and a greater oppurtunity for employment.
You will not be able to hide when the big jobs come up, slonk off on the same people that carry the old gerries night after night.You will have to swim, and this will make you in most cases a far superior engineer.
Look at prevoc courses run by companies like Australian Aviation, more and more companies a sourcing apprentices from such training facilities.
Forget Qantas you will regret it...
Qantas 737a/f and eng = Heavy $55000 Line $75000
Alliance F100a/f and eng= $70000-80000
For single category LAMEs you will earn more out of Qantas, you will have far more job satisfaction and a greater oppurtunity for employment.
You will not be able to hide when the big jobs come up, slonk off on the same people that carry the old gerries night after night.You will have to swim, and this will make you in most cases a far superior engineer.
Look at prevoc courses run by companies like Australian Aviation, more and more companies a sourcing apprentices from such training facilities.
Forget Qantas you will regret it...
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Howdy,
Thanks for your replies James and mavrik, I was wondering why I had heard nothing from QANTAS. QANTAS engineering was so hard to contact, so that phone number for QF MEL Base is greatly appreciated mavrik!
It's comforting to know other people like yourself James are aspiring Avionics Technicians
, so best of luck to you as well.
Cheers,
Thanks for your replies James and mavrik, I was wondering why I had heard nothing from QANTAS. QANTAS engineering was so hard to contact, so that phone number for QF MEL Base is greatly appreciated mavrik!
It's comforting to know other people like yourself James are aspiring Avionics Technicians
, so best of luck to you as well.Cheers,
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Just a heads up on Qantas. I heard from a "reliable source" that they intend to respond to their current Trade Union difficulties by getting out of Line Maintenance and outsourcing Tech Handling. They've certainly begun issuing termination notices to carriers using their Technical Handling services. If they are indeed getting out of Line Maintenance, that would certainly reduce career opportunities within the company.
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blacksheep, first of all i don't know who your reliable source is but as from what i've been told by a fleet maintenance manager QF want to get rid of all customer Line maint. They have no intention of getting rid of there own. this is just used as a leveraging tool against the unions. Although the way the current ACS management think i would not be surprised if they do and they will fail in spectacular style.
For the people applying for QF apprenticeships, i have some advice. I have 2 full mech licences and my next door neighbour who installs windows monday to friday earns double what i do, so don't apply if you want to own houses!! The pay used to be good, but the industry is getting choked. QF are NOT training any lames, so if you don't want to be an ame forever,(45K) then listen to the other smart gents on here and go to a regional or virgin. from my knowledge virgin pay well. If you have a passion for aircraft then do whats in your heart. Thats what i did, however that will wear thin after a while, i know. And while all your friends are at a barbeque on new years eve or xmas day on their own balcony, your girlfriend will be out with her friends and you'll be at work. probably in the rain if you are on line, changing wheels and brakes at 2am. hope you make the right choice.
For the people applying for QF apprenticeships, i have some advice. I have 2 full mech licences and my next door neighbour who installs windows monday to friday earns double what i do, so don't apply if you want to own houses!! The pay used to be good, but the industry is getting choked. QF are NOT training any lames, so if you don't want to be an ame forever,(45K) then listen to the other smart gents on here and go to a regional or virgin. from my knowledge virgin pay well. If you have a passion for aircraft then do whats in your heart. Thats what i did, however that will wear thin after a while, i know. And while all your friends are at a barbeque on new years eve or xmas day on their own balcony, your girlfriend will be out with her friends and you'll be at work. probably in the rain if you are on line, changing wheels and brakes at 2am. hope you make the right choice.
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The applications for apprenticeship within Qantas closed yesterday I believe.
They would like to take on 100+ Australia wide this year. Anyone who applied should hear from them within the next few weeks probably.
They would like to take on 100+ Australia wide this year. Anyone who applied should hear from them within the next few weeks probably.